Mark Ingram's Woes

ChrisXVI · 09-27-2012, 08:09 PM

With Ivory I can see your point, but there was never any thought that he'd never play again. As for Pierre, he pretty much had a high ankle sprain. You guys actually thought he was done for good?!

burningmetal · 09-27-2012, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

With Ivory I can see your point, but there was never any thought that he'd never play again. As for Pierre, he pretty much had a high ankle sprain. You guys actually thought he was done for good?!

That's exactly right. It was a high ankle sprain. Some people don't remember too well, and think it was a knee injury. And Ivory had a foot injury.

I keep hearing people say that some people have trouble coming back from a lisfranc (I believe it's called) injury, but I have never been shown anything to suggest it's career ending. All the reports were that the surgery went well and he'd be back. It took a little time, but there wasn't any serious doubt about whether we'd have enough healthy backs. So the Saints draft a running back anyway. Then of course they signed Sproles, but that was a smart move because he was a proven guy and he was a free agent.

|Mitch| · 09-27-2012, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

With Ivory I can see your point, but there was never any thought that he'd never play again. As for Pierre, he pretty much had a high ankle sprain. You guys actually thought he was done for good?!

Really? Then why did he have knee surgery in the offseason for? He's had 2 maybe 3 knee surgeries in the last 3-4 years

burningmetal · 09-27-2012, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Really? Then why did he have knee surgery in the offseason for? He's had 2 maybe 3 knee surgeries in the last 3-4 years

He had ankle surgery. Google it or something if you don't believe me. and we're talking the offseason of '10. Any surgery he might have had before then does not pertain to this subject. He was not coming off a major knee injury. It was an ankle problem.

|Mitch| · 09-27-2012, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

He had ankle surgery. Google it or something if you don't believe me. and we're talking the offseason of '10. Any surgery he might have had before then does not pertain to this subject. He was not coming off a major knee injury. It was an ankle problem.

His ankle problem was in the '10 season, he had knee surgery at the end of the '09 season

burningmetal · 09-27-2012, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

His ankle problem was in the '10 season, he had knee surgery at the end of the '09 season

Which brings me back to my point. He was not coming off knee surgery going into the '11 season. So why again did anyone think his career might be over? You might not think it, but I'm trying to be patient. I've been arguing this point with various people since the Saints drafted Ingram, and no one has any facts to back up their claims.

|Mitch| · 09-27-2012, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Which brings me back to my point. He was not coming off knee surgery going into the '11 season. So why again did anyone think his career might be over? You might not think it, but I'm trying to be patient. I've been arguing this point with various people since the Saints drafted Ingram, and no one has any facts to back up their claims.

Ingram was drafted because by the end of the Seattle playoff game, we had what one active RB available?

That whole season our RB's battled injuries...

burningmetal · 09-28-2012, 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Ingram was drafted because by the end of the Seattle playoff game, we had what one active RB available?

That whole season our RB's battled injuries...

Dude, I've addressed that at least two or three times in this thread. I'm not talking to myself. I intend for you to read my posts if you're going to reply.

I don't mean to be an a**, but it would really help me out to not have to keep answering the same questions. Some people seemed to think those guys weren't coming back, and some, such as myself, thought they'd be back. They did come back. I made this point months ago about Pierre: The Saints would not have given him a four year deal if they thought he wasn't healthy. So if you're one of those who like to say that we don't know anything as fans, then just look at that contract.

The thing about running backs is that they do get hurt. The only thing that was unusual about that year is that they all got hurt at the same time. But to think that all of those guys would all get hurt again at the same time is far too unlikely to justify drafting a RB in the 1st round in a year where we clearly needed defense. We lost 42-36 to Seattle. I would love to have some good offensive tackles, but unless we're gonna draft someone like that, then we need, and have long needed defense.

Danno · 09-28-2012, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Ingram was drafted because by the end of the Seattle playoff game, we had what one active RB available?

That whole season our RB's battled injuries...

True. It could be said that one of our biggest "needs" going into 2011 was a RB, especially knowing that Reggie was a goner. deShawn Wynn? Julius Jones? Really?

And its not like we didn't spend picks on defense. Every other pick in that draft was defense.

09-27-2012, 08:09 PM	#1
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes With Ivory I can see your point, but there was never any thought that he'd never play again. As for Pierre, he pretty much had a high ankle sprain. You guys actually thought he was done for good?! burningmetal likes this.

09-27-2012, 08:31 PM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by ChrisXVI With Ivory I can see your point, but there was never any thought that he'd never play again. As for Pierre, he pretty much had a high ankle sprain. You guys actually thought he was done for good?! That's exactly right. It was a high ankle sprain. Some people don't remember too well, and think it was a knee injury. And Ivory had a foot injury. I keep hearing people say that some people have trouble coming back from a lisfranc (I believe it's called) injury, but I have never been shown anything to suggest it's career ending. All the reports were that the surgery went well and he'd be back. It took a little time, but there wasn't any serious doubt about whether we'd have enough healthy backs. So the Saints draft a running back anyway. Then of course they signed Sproles, but that was a smart move because he was a proven guy and he was a free agent.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-27-2012, 08:36 PM	#3
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by ChrisXVI With Ivory I can see your point, but there was never any thought that he'd never play again. As for Pierre, he pretty much had a high ankle sprain. You guys actually thought he was done for good?! Really? Then why did he have knee surgery in the offseason for? He's had 2 maybe 3 knee surgeries in the last 3-4 years
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09-27-2012, 08:47 PM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Really? Then why did he have knee surgery in the offseason for? He's had 2 maybe 3 knee surgeries in the last 3-4 years He had ankle surgery. Google it or something if you don't believe me. and we're talking the offseason of '10. Any surgery he might have had before then does not pertain to this subject. He was not coming off a major knee injury. It was an ankle problem.

09-27-2012, 08:54 PM	#5
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by burningmetal He had ankle surgery. Google it or something if you don't believe me. and we're talking the offseason of '10. Any surgery he might have had before then does not pertain to this subject. He was not coming off a major knee injury. It was an ankle problem. His ankle problem was in the '10 season, he had knee surgery at the end of the '09 season

09-27-2012, 09:13 PM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| His ankle problem was in the '10 season, he had knee surgery at the end of the '09 season Which brings me back to my point. He was not coming off knee surgery going into the '11 season. So why again did anyone think his career might be over? You might not think it, but I'm trying to be patient. I've been arguing this point with various people since the Saints drafted Ingram, and no one has any facts to back up their claims.

09-27-2012, 10:24 PM	#7
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by burningmetal Which brings me back to my point. He was not coming off knee surgery going into the '11 season. So why again did anyone think his career might be over? You might not think it, but I'm trying to be patient. I've been arguing this point with various people since the Saints drafted Ingram, and no one has any facts to back up their claims. Ingram was drafted because by the end of the Seattle playoff game, we had what one active RB available? That whole season our RB's battled injuries...

09-28-2012, 03:02 AM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Ingram was drafted because by the end of the Seattle playoff game, we had what one active RB available? That whole season our RB's battled injuries... Dude, I've addressed that at least two or three times in this thread. I'm not talking to myself. I intend for you to read my posts if you're going to reply. I don't mean to be an a**, but it would really help me out to not have to keep answering the same questions. Some people seemed to think those guys weren't coming back, and some, such as myself, thought they'd be back. They did come back. I made this point months ago about Pierre: The Saints would not have given him a four year deal if they thought he wasn't healthy. So if you're one of those who like to say that we don't know anything as fans, then just look at that contract. The thing about running backs is that they do get hurt. The only thing that was unusual about that year is that they all got hurt at the same time. But to think that all of those guys would all get hurt again at the same time is far too unlikely to justify drafting a RB in the 1st round in a year where we clearly needed defense. We lost 42-36 to Seattle. I would love to have some good offensive tackles, but unless we're gonna draft someone like that, then we need, and have long needed defense.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-28-2012, 07:56 AM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,757	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Ingram was drafted because by the end of the Seattle playoff game, we had what one active RB available? That whole season our RB's battled injuries... True. It could be said that one of our biggest "needs" going into 2011 was a RB, especially knowing that Reggie was a goner. deShawn Wynn? Julius Jones? Really? And its not like we didn't spend picks on defense. Every other pick in that draft was defense. mutineer10 likes this.

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