Does La. really like the Mannings?

Saint_LB · 10-10-2012, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by papz

I like both Peyton and Eli. I have no reason not to. They play the game the right way and they're elite players which is a treat to watch on the football field. Whether or not they've from LA or MS, LSU or Ole Miss, really has no bearing on the way I feel.

Archie on the other hand, I don't really care for... but that's just because I never got to see him play. I really don't have a true sense of what he meant to this organization... or even to the game of football. The same goes with the rest of the old school football players. I try to have opinions on players that I can relate to... the players I've seen growing up.

Thanks for the comments, and again, this is the kind of thing I am curious about.

Archie was persona non grata to Louisianians prior to becoming a Saint because of the fierce rivalry that existed between Ole Miss and LSU at that time. The rivalry has subsided considerably due to Ole Miss not being able to keep-up...but that's another story.

I am going strictly on memory here, so I may be mistaken with some of the facts, but it seems to me that LSU was always in the hunt for the national title, and I'm pretty sure that Archie and the Rebs upset them during his sophomore and junior seasons...with the latter inspiring a headline for the TP stating, "Yes, Virginia, there is a Superman...and he wears #18 or the Ole Miss Rebels!"

Archie broke his arm his senior year and I believe it was on the turf of the Astrodome against Houston. He was out for most of the rest of the season, but did come back against LSU with a cast from shoulder to wrist on his left arm. He led the Rebs to a TD early in the game, but eventually they were crushed by the Tigers that night.

So...that's a little of the history that led to LSU fans and Louisianians to not care for the redhead. I am not sure whether they ever got completely on board with Archie and his crew.

skymike · 10-10-2012, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Archie on the other hand, I don't really care for... but that's just because I never got to see him play. I really don't have a true sense of what he meant to this organization...

Its just surreal to hear that on a Saints board. The first bubble gum card I had of the Saints was Archie. Archie was the Saints at one time. here:

NFL Films Tribute to Archie Manning - YouTube

skymike · 10-10-2012, 04:14 PM

Archie Manning Retires - Aug 1985 (w/Peyton Manning) - YouTube

44Champs · 10-10-2012, 09:28 AM

Good thread. I had a love/hate relationship w Archie. I remember yelling at the screen everytime he fumbled, threw an int, failed to convert 3rd down (that was a lot of yelling btw but I digress).

My point is that it wasnt until after Archie's career was over that I really appreciated what he went through while he was here. A million different coaches, surrounded by minimal talent (except during his pro bowl year), and then thrown away by Bum to the Oilers. All that while never complaining. Can you imagine how Cam or P Rivers wouldve acted in that situation? And now I think of how Brees handles himself under his current situation - ALL CLASS - which is the way he wouldve probably handled iti he were playing back in Archie's situation. That's why I live those 2 guys.

As far as Peyton or Eli, I never felt any loyalty to them and didn't care where they played. I have no negative feelings towards them - just indifferent. Not sure why it didn't matter except that I really don't start caring or rooting for a player until they actually become a Saint.

CharityMike · 10-10-2012, 10:45 AM

I think it comes down to 2 categories.

1) People who like them because they are from La.
2) People who like them as football players

As for me, I can't stand the offspring. The love affair people have in this state for them is amazing considering they haven't done squat for this state!

As a football player, I love them. I love the game of football. I'm not going to hate them because they are not playing for the Saints. I love them for what they bring to the game as competitors.

TheOak · 10-10-2012, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

I think it comes down to 2 categories.

1) People who like them because they are from La.
2) People who like them as football players

As for me, I can't stand the offspring. The love affair people have in this state for them is amazing considering they haven't done squat for this state!

As a football player, I love them. I love the game of football. I'm not going to hate them because they are not playing for the Saints. I love them for what they bring to the game as competitors.

Pretty fair comment. I am a mix.. Origin doesn't matter to me.. indifferent. They are good football players, that cant be taken away from them. Their attitudes stink and I think they act like brats. If they are not in my face I am 100% indifferent, they have never done anything for me or to me. If I have to listen to the complaining from Eli, or see Payton throw a tantrum, I change the channel.

On the origin part... I have no allegiance to anyone from Louisiana that has no allegiance to Louisiana. Neither of them have shown any love for the state after High School.

I am not from new Orleans so I have never been subjected to Archie other than on the field, and I was 12 when he went to the Oilers.

I have met Archie once, in Destin Fl. He was walking down the beach with Cash that owned Cash's bar and night club. He he was a nice guy.

Saint_LB · 10-10-2012, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

On the origin part... I have no allegiance to anyone from Louisiana that has no allegiance to Louisiana. Neither of them have shown any love for the state after High School.

Manning brothers team up for Katrina relief - CNN

TheOak · 10-10-2012, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Saint_LB

Manning brothers team up for Katrina relief - CNN

Celebrities who donated $1 million to help the cause include The Rolling Stones, actor George Clooney, singer Celine Dion, actor Nicolas Cage, comedian Jerry Lewis, and Beyonce's man rapper Jay-Z.
Angelina Jolie sent letters to members of Congress and the White House, asking for increased efforts in the disaster relief. Angelina found herself shocked at the images coming from New Orleans, a city she has often referred to as being very close to her heart.
John Travolta, a licensed pilot, flew to Baton Rouge with his wife Kelly Preston, carrying much needed food supplies and tetanus vaccines. The Scientologist couple then toured the flooded city of New Orleans and visited shelters and rescue workers. "What we've seen in the shelters is wonderful, because people are being taken care of. What we've seen in the city is disastrous," the actor said.
Singer Macy Gray paid a visit to a camp in Houston, Texas and gladly handed out clothing and toiletries to those in need. "I just really wanted to help out. I think the most important thing to them is their futures. It is crazy when you don't know what is going to happen to you the next day," Macy said.
TV host Oprah Winfrey decided to cut her summer vacation short to visit those affected by Hurricane Katrina. Oprah called on her friends including Julia Roberts and Jamie Foxx to help her bring hope to the victims of Katrina. Oprah said that she was shocked by the tragic situation she found in New Orleans and that nothing could have prepared her for it. "I was sitting at home feeling frustrated and useless, like so many other people, so I came down to personally assess how I could best be of service," Oprah said in a statement.
Steven Spielberg, $750,000 to the American Red Cross and $750,000 to the Bush Clinton Fund
Hilary Duff donated $250,000.
Sean Penn rescued people using an occasionally leaky boat.
Michael Jackson offered a song, “From the Bottom of My Heart”.

Along with a laundry list of NFL Athletes and professional sports figures.

Read more: Celebrity Donations To Katrina Relief Efforts

Hurricane Katrina - Celebrities Who Helped After Hurricane Katrina

Celebrities contribute to Katrina relief - Wikinews, the free news source

It was the right thing to do... Not exactly something that the entire world wasn't not in line for.

Rugby Saint II · 10-10-2012, 11:44 AM

They are both La. boys. Their father was the best football player ever for the Saints(at the time) and was the only bright spot on a crappy team. They sat in the stands and watched their father play and rooted for my team. I like them. They are both good at what they do and deserve at least my respect.(not that that says alot)lol
Also, I could care less if they didn't go to LSU.....ROLL TIDE!!!

CharityMike · 10-10-2012, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

ROLL TIDE!!!

BAN!!!!

10-10-2012, 08:57 AM	#1
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Re: Does La. really like the Mannings? Originally Posted by papz I like both Peyton and Eli. I have no reason not to. They play the game the right way and they're elite players which is a treat to watch on the football field. Whether or not they've from LA or MS, LSU or Ole Miss, really has no bearing on the way I feel. Archie on the other hand, I don't really care for... but that's just because I never got to see him play. I really don't have a true sense of what he meant to this organization... or even to the game of football. The same goes with the rest of the old school football players. I try to have opinions on players that I can relate to... the players I've seen growing up. Thanks for the comments, and again, this is the kind of thing I am curious about. Archie was persona non grata to Louisianians prior to becoming a Saint because of the fierce rivalry that existed between Ole Miss and LSU at that time. The rivalry has subsided considerably due to Ole Miss not being able to keep-up...but that's another story. I am going strictly on memory here, so I may be mistaken with some of the facts, but it seems to me that LSU was always in the hunt for the national title, and I'm pretty sure that Archie and the Rebs upset them during his sophomore and junior seasons...with the latter inspiring a headline for the TP stating, "Yes, Virginia, there is a Superman...and he wears #18 or the Ole Miss Rebels!" Archie broke his arm his senior year and I believe it was on the turf of the Astrodome against Houston. He was out for most of the rest of the season, but did come back against LSU with a cast from shoulder to wrist on his left arm. He led the Rebs to a TD early in the game, but eventually they were crushed by the Tigers that night. So...that's a little of the history that led to LSU fans and Louisianians to not care for the redhead. I am not sure whether they ever got completely on board with Archie and his crew.
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10-10-2012, 09:28 AM	#4
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Good thread. I had a love/hate relationship w Archie. I remember yelling at the screen everytime he fumbled, threw an int, failed to convert 3rd down (that was a lot of yelling btw but I digress). My point is that it wasnt until after Archie's career was over that I really appreciated what he went through while he was here. A million different coaches, surrounded by minimal talent (except during his pro bowl year), and then thrown away by Bum to the Oilers. All that while never complaining. Can you imagine how Cam or P Rivers wouldve acted in that situation? And now I think of how Brees handles himself under his current situation - ALL CLASS - which is the way he wouldve probably handled iti he were playing back in Archie's situation. That's why I live those 2 guys. As far as Peyton or Eli, I never felt any loyalty to them and didn't care where they played. I have no negative feelings towards them - just indifferent. Not sure why it didn't matter except that I really don't start caring or rooting for a player until they actually become a Saint.
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10-10-2012, 10:45 AM	#5
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Does La. really like the Mannings? I think it comes down to 2 categories. 1) People who like them because they are from La. 2) People who like them as football players As for me, I can't stand the offspring. The love affair people have in this state for them is amazing considering they haven't done squat for this state! As a football player, I love them. I love the game of football. I'm not going to hate them because they are not playing for the Saints. I love them for what they bring to the game as competitors.

10-10-2012, 11:33 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Does La. really like the Mannings? Originally Posted by CharityMike I think it comes down to 2 categories. 1) People who like them because they are from La. 2) People who like them as football players As for me, I can't stand the offspring. The love affair people have in this state for them is amazing considering they haven't done squat for this state! As a football player, I love them. I love the game of football. I'm not going to hate them because they are not playing for the Saints. I love them for what they bring to the game as competitors. Pretty fair comment. I am a mix.. Origin doesn't matter to me.. indifferent. They are good football players, that cant be taken away from them. Their attitudes stink and I think they act like brats. If they are not in my face I am 100% indifferent, they have never done anything for me or to me. If I have to listen to the complaining from Eli, or see Payton throw a tantrum, I change the channel. On the origin part... I have no allegiance to anyone from Louisiana that has no allegiance to Louisiana. Neither of them have shown any love for the state after High School. I am not from new Orleans so I have never been subjected to Archie other than on the field, and I was 12 when he went to the Oilers. I have met Archie once, in Destin Fl. He was walking down the beach with Cash that owned Cash's bar and night club. He he was a nice guy. CharityMike likes this.
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10-10-2012, 12:40 PM	#7
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Re: Does La. really like the Mannings? Originally Posted by x626xBlack On the origin part... I have no allegiance to anyone from Louisiana that has no allegiance to Louisiana. Neither of them have shown any love for the state after High School. Manning brothers team up for Katrina relief - CNN jeanpierre likes this.
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10-10-2012, 03:17 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Does La. really like the Mannings? Originally Posted by Saint_LB Manning brothers team up for Katrina relief - CNN Celebrities who donated $1 million to help the cause include The Rolling Stones, actor George Clooney, singer Celine Dion, actor Nicolas Cage, comedian Jerry Lewis, and Beyonce's man rapper Jay-Z. Angelina Jolie sent letters to members of Congress and the White House, asking for increased efforts in the disaster relief. Angelina found herself shocked at the images coming from New Orleans, a city she has often referred to as being very close to her heart. John Travolta, a licensed pilot, flew to Baton Rouge with his wife Kelly Preston, carrying much needed food supplies and tetanus vaccines. The Scientologist couple then toured the flooded city of New Orleans and visited shelters and rescue workers. "What we've seen in the shelters is wonderful, because people are being taken care of. What we've seen in the city is disastrous," the actor said. Singer Macy Gray paid a visit to a camp in Houston, Texas and gladly handed out clothing and toiletries to those in need. "I just really wanted to help out. I think the most important thing to them is their futures. It is crazy when you don't know what is going to happen to you the next day," Macy said. TV host Oprah Winfrey decided to cut her summer vacation short to visit those affected by Hurricane Katrina. Oprah called on her friends including Julia Roberts and Jamie Foxx to help her bring hope to the victims of Katrina. Oprah said that she was shocked by the tragic situation she found in New Orleans and that nothing could have prepared her for it. "I was sitting at home feeling frustrated and useless, like so many other people, so I came down to personally assess how I could best be of service," Oprah said in a statement. Steven Spielberg, $750,000 to the American Red Cross and $750,000 to the Bush Clinton Fund Hilary Duff donated $250,000. Sean Penn rescued people using an occasionally leaky boat. Michael Jackson offered a song, “From the Bottom of My Heart”. Along with a laundry list of NFL Athletes and professional sports figures. Read more: Celebrity Donations To Katrina Relief Efforts Hurricane Katrina - Celebrities Who Helped After Hurricane Katrina Celebrities contribute to Katrina relief - Wikinews, the free news source It was the right thing to do... Not exactly something that the entire world wasn't not in line for.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

10-10-2012, 11:44 AM	#9
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,151	Re: Does La. really like the Mannings? They are both La. boys. Their father was the best football player ever for the Saints(at the time) and was the only bright spot on a crappy team. They sat in the stands and watched their father play and rooted for my team. I like them. They are both good at what they do and deserve at least my respect.(not that that says alot)lol Also, I could care less if they didn't go to LSU.....ROLL TIDE!!! Saint_LB, jeanpierre and onebyone like this.

10-10-2012, 11:53 AM	#10
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Does La. really like the Mannings? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II ROLL TIDE!!! BAN!!!! Saint_LB and Rugby Saint II like this.

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