Crusader

I don't like Eli Manning or John Elway. If you get drafted by a team in the first round, making you an incredibly wealthy man, I don't think its your place to ***** and moan about it but just shut the hell up and play football.

skymike

Its just surreal to hear that on a Saints board. The first bubble gum card I had of the Saints was Archie. Archie was the Saints at one time. here:

skymike

xan

Man, all this hate on the Mannings. Really?

They are all wonderful people. Don't hate the playa, hate the game.

Boutte

I was hoping to hear any of them publicly congratulate the fans after we won the Super Bowl. I know it had to be hard on the family to watch Peyton lose but they have realize what a great thing it was for the long and often suffering faithful to finally win it. You'd think at least Archie would have come forward.

But I don't hate on any of them. I still like Archie. Eli and Peyton I'm ambivalent towards.

jnormand

Just stop the fighting! I just can't TAKE it anymore! (over dramatized screaming)...I'm gonna be sick...(vomiting).

Ok...now what were we talking about? Oh yeah...the Mannings....Yes...I like Archie...Peyton and Eli...eh...I guess they're ok.

QBREES9

I would have like to see Peyton a Saints. I think we all new that would never happen. I like both of them.

OldMaid

Good post.
I don't see anyone hating the Mannings.
New Orleans is a big city, small town
It is easy to become a big fish in a small pond.
Archie Manning was picked and picked the Saints.
He did well then. He and his wife raised their family there.
Financially and everything, he did very well in N.O.
He would not have been able to perhaps in a big city, big town.
N.O. had The Jazz(basketball) and Saints.

I think Archie and Olivia Manning have lived with dignity. Raised their sons to be civil, non-scandalous. Archie and Olivia have been a big part of serving on boards and in fundraising activites for causes in N.O.

Just FYI, when I was in college and woprking at a store at Canal Place, this was about 1987,1988, Oliiva Manning was shopping in the store and had no attitiude, complaints, diva looks, nothing like that.
When you get to see someone in an informal, non-staged setting, you see the real person. There has never been any sort of bad thin gs said about them.

Peyton and Eli Manning have made the NFL exciting. Both are extremely talented. Elite qb's. Like them or not, they are exciting players. Both have good reputations in their off field lives. Both are charitable to causes like PM has been to Children's Hospital in TN.

Eli Manning was very unclassy at the draft when he showed he did not want to play for San Diego. There was nothing wrong with not wanting to go to San Diego, but out , on stage, not putting on the cap and everything was awful. All he needed to do was smile, holding cap, jersey, etc.
Eli, his managers, Archie should have handled all that behind the scenes. I was surprised they did all that nonsense in front .

PM should have congratulated DB after SB. All that nonsense about not wanting to steal DB's camera time, moment was BS.
SB is bigger than those who play on the teams. It is the NFL, fans , etc., photographers for SI, etc. wanted that picture. It was the thing to do and is always done.
PM looked like a sore loser.

Naturally, Archie and family favored their son and his team to win SB. One cannot fault him there. After Saints, won, he should have publically congratulated Saints orgainzation and things. I am not sure if he did, didn't. I cannot remember. Being in the Saints parade, no. That would have been a bit much for him to salute them like that when his feelings were with Colts.
Ok, two things, you can find fault with them on. Not so bad really . These things are marks on their reputations. Yeah, they seem spoilish. It is not a crime, but , just saying.

DB, like Archie, has said and I believe him, will raise his family in N.O.after his football days. Archie is like a mentor there to DB...helping the Brees' find a home...perhaps submitting his name to their clubs.... DB is wise to stay here and is like a made man. Big fish, small pond. He will have privacy for his family. Good schools, social life, head and be part of charitable causes, and yet he can work elsewhere in the NFL or color analysts.
Like Archie, DB and wife, are part of The Uptown N.O. , that world. There is nothing wrong with it. Just saying that is their world.

It was smart of PM and EM not to want to play for N.O. Saints. Both carved out their own team. The pressure of Saints, nah. Smart choices on their own. That was never their intent. Some N.O. fans always wanted that little , unrealistic fantasy.
Not choosing LSU, well, they are alumni's kids of Ole Miss. Many people go to their parents university.
PM going to univ. in TN , I think that fitted in more with his family, social life, and everything more than LSU.

All in all, I think people around here in LA like the Mannings or think they are so-so.
I think AM and DB are good ambassadors of N.O. , you know, helps put N.O. in a better light.

Vrillon82

I imagine if this was 10-20 years ago, WWLTV and other media would try to hype them up as being some elite player like they use to do with other teams players, Pro or College, they did it with Jake Delhomme some years back because he was from Louisiana.

But in reality, no one cares for the Mannings, doubt anyone cares for Delhomme.

Its all media created, Media like WWLTV and WDSU back in the day is what put the Saints so far back from having a successful team because Benson and the FO kept listening to their suggestions, mostly Buddy D, once Buddy D croaked, the Saints started Winning.

MatthewT

Archie Manning got very little help during his beginning in New Orleans. Eventually, Hank Stram and Dick Nolan both pretty much understood that Manning is not a savior on his own, he needed help. Stram drafted Muncie and Galbreath and provided Manning with a lethal running game in 76, and in 78 Dick Nolan drafted Wes Chandler. By the time things turned OK, Manning in the 78 and 79 season put up his best numbers. Too bad the defense was so freaking horrible. Things were looking way up for Manning, then the team went through a horrible drug scandal and basically fell apart. 1980 was the 1-15 season and Buddy D invented the bags... Bum Phillips was hired in 81 and decided that Manning was through in New Orleans, that Manning did not fit his plans. As much crap as Bum took for that decision, it was actually the correct decision. Manning was washed up, never won another game in the NFL, with both Houston and Minnesota.