Does La. really like the Mannings?

jeanpierre · 10-11-2012, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

...Bum Phillips was hired in 81 and decided that Manning was through in New Orleans, that Manning did not fit his plans. As much crap as Bum took for that decision, it was actually the correct decision. Manning was washed up, never won another game in the NFL, with both Houston and Minnesota.

Gotta take issue with that statement...

First problem was John Mecom, Jr - a spoiled, immature team owner who never showed responsibility in his life and nearly got Manning killed because of his limited vision at the box office and failure to invest in the team's success (surrounding Manning with talent) so that it could truly grow...

Second problem was Bum Phillips - who had no clue of what talent he had in Manning nor the insight to hire the staff around him to take advantage of what he had...

pumpkindriver · 10-12-2012, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

Archie Manning got very little help during his beginning in New Orleans. Eventually, Hank Stram and Dick Nolan both pretty much understood that Manning is not a savior on his own, he needed help. Stram drafted Muncie and Galbreath and provided Manning with a lethal running game in 76, and in 78 Dick Nolan drafted Wes Chandler. By the time things turned OK, Manning in the 78 and 79 season put up his best numbers. Too bad the defense was so freaking horrible. Things were looking way up for Manning, then the team went through a horrible drug scandal and basically fell apart. 1980 was the 1-15 season and Buddy D invented the bags... Bum Phillips was hired in 81 and decided that Manning was through in New Orleans, that Manning did not fit his plans. As much crap as Bum took for that decision, it was actually the correct decision. Manning was washed up, never won another game in the NFL, with both Houston and Minnesota.

He never got much of a chance with those other teams, both of which were awful at the time, but as far as Him being washed up, just look at this at the 4:39 mark. There was plenty of gas in the tank.

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Saint_LB · 10-12-2012, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by pumpkindriver

He never got much of a chance with those other teams, both of which were awful at the time, but as far as Him being washed up, just look at this at the 4:39 mark. There was plenty of gas in the tank.
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I didn't look, because I wanna guess first. I'm guessing it's the underhand toss to Renfro.

Euphoria · 10-11-2012, 04:43 AM

I disagree that Bum was correct.

If I recall Bum was run out of town like everyone else who ever coached their.

If he was correct he would have at least made it to the NFC Championship without Manning.

Vrillon82 · 10-14-2012, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I disagree that Bum was correct.

If I recall Bum was run out of town like everyone else who ever coached their.

If he was correct he would have at least made it to the NFC Championship without Manning.

Problem with Bum is he tried to make the Saints into the Oilers which were sorta successful in the 70s but failed to make the SB since Oakland and Pitt ruled that decade, to further the problem though, the players he kept bringing in from Houston was washed up by that point in time.

You see he basically did nothing to better the Saints, he tried to make them into the Oilers, which the Oilers never did anything either.

TheOak · 10-11-2012, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by Vrillon82

I imagine if this was 10-20 years ago, WWLTV and other media would try to hype them up as being some elite player like they use to do with other teams players, Pro or College, they did it with Jake Delhomme some years back because he was from Louisiana.

But in reality, no one cares for the Mannings, doubt anyone cares for Delhomme.

Its all media created, Media like WWLTV and WDSU back in the day is what put the Saints so far back from having a successful team because Benson and the FO kept listening to their suggestions, mostly Buddy D, once Buddy D croaked, the Saints started Winning.

It's not ALL media hype. It is somewhat media steered.

I'm from Abbeville/Lafayette, Jake went to USL the same time I did. It's a homeboy love. The day Jake signed with the Panthers a large % of people from the area became Panthers fans because they were homeboy fans, not Saints fans. There was a lot of hating of the Saints going on because the Saints "wouldn't give Jake a chance".

I'm a Saints fan, not a player fan. If Drew went to another team I wouldn't give two sh1tz about him. And no, I wouldn't view him as a traitor, he would just no longer be a Saint.

You are correct about the Saints hanging on to players because they were "their guy". Not because they were the best for the team.

MatthewT · 10-12-2012, 01:34 AM

That play was awesome and I have seen it many times before. Manning was traded in 1982 after the 1st game of the season. Go check out the game logs for every game he played in after leaving the Saints and come to your own conclusion. To me, he was washed. Matter of fact his play in 81 was a steep decline compared to the 80 season.

Mardigras9 · 10-12-2012, 12:24 PM

Archie was a Saint QB and that's the love for him. Peyton and Eli are sidebars, don't really care what they have done football wise. They love the city of New Orleans and that's good with me.

Marlboro Man · 10-13-2012, 12:20 PM

Archie did a lot for the city on NO. Then he has his kids, one a very good WR, and two QB's. This city, and state went and watched them in high school and supported them through out their careers until they went to college. Not one of them went to a LA school.

Now when you hear them talk, it sounds like they don't want anyone to know they're from LA. It's like they wish they didn't come from here. It's like they disrespect the way of life and culture of NO, and then when we beat Payton for the Super Bowl, some of our overzealous fans kinda started going off about it and putting Payton down because of all the slights against LA, Archie got upset about it. Well, on one hand I can understand Archie being upset about the way people were talking about Payton, but if Archie had stepped in earlier and told both of his sons that their condescending tone and comments about LA were uncalled for that may not have happened. I mean, when Katrina hit it was like it was a pain in the arse for them to come back and make the gesture of helping out their home town and you could see in their faces they didn't want to do it and you could hear it in their voices too, so that is where all the hostility from the LA fans comes from. They brought it on themselves.

TheOak · 10-14-2012, 06:15 PM

I wouldn't trade Drew for either or all of them.

10-11-2012, 05:08 PM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Does La. really like the Mannings? Originally Posted by MatthewT ...Bum Phillips was hired in 81 and decided that Manning was through in New Orleans, that Manning did not fit his plans. As much crap as Bum took for that decision, it was actually the correct decision. Manning was washed up, never won another game in the NFL, with both Houston and Minnesota. Gotta take issue with that statement... First problem was John Mecom, Jr - a spoiled, immature team owner who never showed responsibility in his life and nearly got Manning killed because of his limited vision at the box office and failure to invest in the team's success (surrounding Manning with talent) so that it could truly grow... Second problem was Bum Phillips - who had no clue of what talent he had in Manning nor the insight to hire the staff around him to take advantage of what he had... Saint_LB likes this.

10-12-2012, 10:22 AM	#3
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Re: Does La. really like the Mannings? Originally Posted by pumpkindriver He never got much of a chance with those other teams, both of which were awful at the time, but as far as Him being washed up, just look at this at the 4:39 mark. There was plenty of gas in the tank. Top 100 NFL Football Follies [7/7] - The Top Ten - YouTube I didn't look, because I wanna guess first. I'm guessing it's the underhand toss to Renfro.
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10-11-2012, 04:43 AM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Does La. really like the Mannings? I disagree that Bum was correct. If I recall Bum was run out of town like everyone else who ever coached their. If he was correct he would have at least made it to the NFC Championship without Manning. Saint_LB likes this.

10-14-2012, 03:26 PM	#5
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Does La. really like the Mannings? Originally Posted by Euphoria I disagree that Bum was correct. If I recall Bum was run out of town like everyone else who ever coached their. If he was correct he would have at least made it to the NFC Championship without Manning. Problem with Bum is he tried to make the Saints into the Oilers which were sorta successful in the 70s but failed to make the SB since Oakland and Pitt ruled that decade, to further the problem though, the players he kept bringing in from Houston was washed up by that point in time. You see he basically did nothing to better the Saints, he tried to make them into the Oilers, which the Oilers never did anything either.
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10-11-2012, 06:09 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Originally Posted by Vrillon82 I imagine if this was 10-20 years ago, WWLTV and other media would try to hype them up as being some elite player like they use to do with other teams players, Pro or College, they did it with Jake Delhomme some years back because he was from Louisiana. But in reality, no one cares for the Mannings, doubt anyone cares for Delhomme. Its all media created, Media like WWLTV and WDSU back in the day is what put the Saints so far back from having a successful team because Benson and the FO kept listening to their suggestions, mostly Buddy D, once Buddy D croaked, the Saints started Winning. It's not ALL media hype. It is somewhat media steered. I'm from Abbeville/Lafayette, Jake went to USL the same time I did. It's a homeboy love. The day Jake signed with the Panthers a large % of people from the area became Panthers fans because they were homeboy fans, not Saints fans. There was a lot of hating of the Saints going on because the Saints "wouldn't give Jake a chance". I'm a Saints fan, not a player fan. If Drew went to another team I wouldn't give two sh1tz about him. And no, I wouldn't view him as a traitor, he would just no longer be a Saint. You are correct about the Saints hanging on to players because they were "their guy". Not because they were the best for the team.
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10-12-2012, 01:34 AM	#7
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Does La. really like the Mannings? That play was awesome and I have seen it many times before. Manning was traded in 1982 after the 1st game of the season. Go check out the game logs for every game he played in after leaving the Saints and come to your own conclusion. To me, he was washed. Matter of fact his play in 81 was a steep decline compared to the 80 season.

10-12-2012, 12:24 PM	#8
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Does La. really like the Mannings? Archie was a Saint QB and that's the love for him. Peyton and Eli are sidebars, don't really care what they have done football wise. They love the city of New Orleans and that's good with me.

10-13-2012, 12:20 PM	#9
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: Does La. really like the Mannings? Archie did a lot for the city on NO. Then he has his kids, one a very good WR, and two QB's. This city, and state went and watched them in high school and supported them through out their careers until they went to college. Not one of them went to a LA school. Now when you hear them talk, it sounds like they don't want anyone to know they're from LA. It's like they wish they didn't come from here. It's like they disrespect the way of life and culture of NO, and then when we beat Payton for the Super Bowl, some of our overzealous fans kinda started going off about it and putting Payton down because of all the slights against LA, Archie got upset about it. Well, on one hand I can understand Archie being upset about the way people were talking about Payton, but if Archie had stepped in earlier and told both of his sons that their condescending tone and comments about LA were uncalled for that may not have happened. I mean, when Katrina hit it was like it was a pain in the arse for them to come back and make the gesture of helping out their home town and you could see in their faces they didn't want to do it and you could hear it in their voices too, so that is where all the hostility from the LA fans comes from. They brought it on themselves. D_it_up likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	I wouldn't trade Drew for either or all of them. D_it_up likes this.

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