Why Is the Defense So Bad?

jeanpierre · 11-01-2012, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

The surprise comes more from the warped perception one easily gets from reading posts here about how Harper can't cover anybody in the backfield, while in fact, Danno has posted stats in the past that show that Harper is in fact quite good in coverage against opposing TEs.

I'm not saying that he has been a superstar in the backfield, just that I've been pleasantly surprised by him at times - but let down at other times.

And I've posted VIDEO links showing both Harper and Jenkins getting burned...

Danno · 11-01-2012, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

And I've posted VIDEO links showing both Harper and Jenkins getting burned...

Yeah, and Greer, Robinson, Porter never get burned?

Harper is a SS, not a CB.

You have an agenda. Every Harper mistake (and there are very few) you magnify, while ignoring the numerous mistakes everyone else makes on this defense. Its either an intentional effort to justify your weak criticisms or you simply don't know much about football.

jeanpierre · 10-31-2012, 11:04 PM

I'll promise you this - if Steve Spagnuolo survives this season, Roman Harper won't be the starting strong safety and Malcolm Jenkins will either be at another position or probably gone as well...

And that's not to say it's on JUST the safeties...

The Saints Pass Rush it a total embarrassment; as I said, old men at a church buffet have a better push than these millionaire, professional defensive linemen...

And guessing who'll be the linebackers each week would be the basis of ESPN's version of "To Tell the Truth" where continuity among linebackers is almost as important as continuity along an offensive line...

jeanpierre · 10-31-2012, 11:38 PM

A journeyman safety in one game has outperformed both our safeties' seasons...

Stevie Brown takes NFC defensive player of the week | ProFootballTalk

SapperSaint · 11-01-2012, 09:19 AM

I don't really know why the defense sucks as bad as it does.

Spags' defense is either; it's just not working, too difficult for our players to pick up (Which means we have some dumb players) or that Spags simply isn't a good coach.

It could be the fact that they are on the field waayyyy too much. 3 and outs/quick scoring drives by the offense/I don't know. If these guys are on the field more than the offense, they are going to get gased and will be totally burned out by the 3rd quarter.

I think the coaching staff is putting too much on Drew and staying pass happy for the entire game. If you don't run the ball and control the clock some what; your chances of winning deminish.

All I can tell you is, is after watching them I want to vomit.

CharityMike · 11-01-2012, 09:20 AM

IMO Harper has made some improvements this year. I have never been high on him but I have noticed he has gotten better. Jenkins on the other hand needs to be kicked to the curb! He has not gotten any better. He is in the top 5 in the NFL in missed tackles.

IMO if you wanna bash a safety, you are bashing the wrong one this year.

TheOak · 11-01-2012, 02:11 PM

Lets be fair to all of the players... Who in the hell in our defensive backfield is worse or better than the others?

They all get burned, miss tackles, out of place, quit on plays.. There is no bright shiny star in the entire stable.... Which is why we are where we are.

Are we debating who is the sh1ttiest of the sh1ty?

CharityMike · 11-01-2012, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Are we debating who is the sh1ttiest of the sh1ty?

saintfan · 11-01-2012, 03:30 PM

Is it bad because it sucks, or does it suck because it's bad?

TheOak · 11-02-2012, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Is it bad because it sucks, or does it suck because it's bad?

It sucks badly... they are homogenous.

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Lack of Talent on Defensive Line	24	39.34%
Lack of Talent at Cornerback	5	8.20%
Lack of Talent at Safety	3	4.92%
Scheme, still need time to learn	16	26.23%
Commitment to 1st Rounders, FA Contracts, Need Young Guns to Play	3	4.92%
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11-01-2012, 06:30 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by FinSaint The surprise comes more from the warped perception one easily gets from reading posts here about how Harper can't cover anybody in the backfield, while in fact, Danno has posted stats in the past that show that Harper is in fact quite good in coverage against opposing TEs. I'm not saying that he has been a superstar in the backfield, just that I've been pleasantly surprised by him at times - but let down at other times. And I've posted VIDEO links showing both Harper and Jenkins getting burned...

11-01-2012, 08:07 AM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by jeanpierre And I've posted VIDEO links showing both Harper and Jenkins getting burned... Yeah, and Greer, Robinson, Porter never get burned? Harper is a SS, not a CB. You have an agenda. Every Harper mistake (and there are very few) you magnify, while ignoring the numerous mistakes everyone else makes on this defense. Its either an intentional effort to justify your weak criticisms or you simply don't know much about football.

10-31-2012, 11:04 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? I'll promise you this - if Steve Spagnuolo survives this season, Roman Harper won't be the starting strong safety and Malcolm Jenkins will either be at another position or probably gone as well... And that's not to say it's on JUST the safeties... The Saints Pass Rush it a total embarrassment; as I said, old men at a church buffet have a better push than these millionaire, professional defensive linemen... And guessing who'll be the linebackers each week would be the basis of ESPN's version of "To Tell the Truth" where continuity among linebackers is almost as important as continuity along an offensive line...
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10-31-2012, 11:38 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? A journeyman safety in one game has outperformed both our safeties' seasons... Stevie Brown takes NFC defensive player of the week \| ProFootballTalk

11-01-2012, 09:19 AM	#5
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? I don't really know why the defense sucks as bad as it does. Spags' defense is either; it's just not working, too difficult for our players to pick up (Which means we have some dumb players) or that Spags simply isn't a good coach. It could be the fact that they are on the field waayyyy too much. 3 and outs/quick scoring drives by the offense/I don't know. If these guys are on the field more than the offense, they are going to get gased and will be totally burned out by the 3rd quarter. I think the coaching staff is putting too much on Drew and staying pass happy for the entire game. If you don't run the ball and control the clock some what; your chances of winning deminish. All I can tell you is, is after watching them I want to vomit.
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11-01-2012, 09:20 AM	#6
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? IMO Harper has made some improvements this year. I have never been high on him but I have noticed he has gotten better. Jenkins on the other hand needs to be kicked to the curb! He has not gotten any better. He is in the top 5 in the NFL in missed tackles. IMO if you wanna bash a safety, you are bashing the wrong one this year.

11-01-2012, 02:11 PM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,056	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Lets be fair to all of the players... Who in the hell in our defensive backfield is worse or better than the others? They all get burned, miss tackles, out of place, quit on plays.. There is no bright shiny star in the entire stable.... Which is why we are where we are. Are we debating who is the sh1ttiest of the sh1ty? SapperSaint and jeanpierre like this.

11-01-2012, 02:18 PM	#8
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by x626xBlack Are we debating who is the sh1ttiest of the sh1ty? TheOak likes this.

11-01-2012, 03:30 PM	#9
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Is it bad because it sucks, or does it suck because it's bad? jeanpierre and FinSaint like this.

11-02-2012, 08:10 AM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,056	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by saintfan Is it bad because it sucks, or does it suck because it's bad? It sucks badly... they are homogenous.

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