Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon

SaintsBro · 11-27-2012, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints

Really, the only thing he does CONSISTENTLY is start and throw at least ONE TD per game.

Again; LOVE me some Drew. But let's keep it real.

Alaska

#4 in yards per game
#5 in completions
#1 in TD's (31)
#9 in yards per completion
#7 in QB rating (98.5)
#8 in total offense (team)

Yeah you're right -- all the dude does is just show up and throw his touchdown pass. Let's keep it real...he is throwing 2.8 TDs per game, not ONE. Clearly the top 5 QB in their top 10 offense is to blame for the Saints record this year. /FAIL

FinSaint · 11-27-2012, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

#4 in yards per game
#5 in completions
#1 in TD's (31)
#9 in yards per completion
#7 in QB rating (98.5)
#8 in total offense (team)

Yeah you're right -- all the dude does is just show up and throw his touchdown pass. Let's keep it real...he is throwing 2.8 TDs per game, not ONE. Clearly the top 5 QB in their top 10 offense is to blame for the Saints record this year. /FAIL

I really missed the part where Alaska, or anyone else for that matter, made that statement.

SaintsBro · 11-27-2012, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I really missed the part where Alaska, or anyone else for that matter, made that statement.

OK. You're 100% right there. Alaska said he was was CONSISTENTLY only good for showing up and throwing his one TD pass per game (the streak). I don't see much inconsistency in those numbers -- they are on a par with anything else in Brees' past career, and he is consistently throwing more than one TD pass a game. Alaska wanted to "get real." So I did by looking at his numbers. My bad.

I guess I just disagree, and I think he is consistently good for a lot more than just those two things that Alaska mentioned. I'm not burning with jealousy for some other QB on one of the other 31 teams right now.

alleycat_126 · 11-27-2012, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints

I'm thrilled that Drew Brees is a Saint, however there are 31 other starting QB's in the league and quite a few of them have whipped our azz this year. You don't HAVE to be Drew Brees to win a Superbowl. There have been, what, 46 Superbowls won WITHOUT Drew Brees. Imagine that. I know a couple Mannings who have gotten back more than twice. The total DOLT Ben Roethlisburger gets Super Bowl repeats, for Christ's sake.

Love me some #9, but all this Superman shat is fantasy. When he stinks one up, he really stinks it up.

Really, the only thing he does CONSISTENTLY is start and throw at least ONE TD per game.

Again; LOVE me some Drew. But let's keep it real.

Alaska

Before you go off on a tangent let me stop you, Because there ain't no way in hell im giving up Brees for I probably can go straight away and say half the qbs in the league right now. It's no way you take down Saints passing records, NFL Records and assault teams with Alex Smith as your qb and and a so - so defense.

Here's what I do agree with you on.......
Jason Whitlock wrote a column before last year's playoff game. I wish I could find it. It seems like the 49ers read it and figured it out. The premise to the whole article was that once or twice a game be it because of his height, or pressure, or just focus loss Drew Brees will get inconsisent and give you an errant throw. So to the sucks it up thing.... It actually happens once or twice a game.

xan · 11-27-2012, 06:18 AM

As of now, the Saints are $25 million over $121 million cap:

Player 2013 Salary
QB Drew Brees $17.40 million
DE Will Smith $14.50m
G Jahri Evans $9.86m
LB Jonathan Vilma $8.63m
WR Marques Colston $6.60m
G Ben Grubbs $7.30m
S Roman Harper $7.10m
LB Curtis Lofton $7.10m
CB Jabari Greer $5.42m
LB David Hawthorne $4.76m
DT Brodrick Bunkley $4.70m
WR Lance Moore $4.47m
CB Malcolm Jenkins $3.88m
RB Darren Sproles $3.75m

14 players, $105.47 million out of $121 million.

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS

DT SEDRICK ELLIS - 2012 salary cap number: $7.6 million

LB SCOTT SHANLE - 2012 salary cap number: $2.25 million

LB JONATHAN CASILLAS - 2012 salary cap number: $1.26 million

DE TURK MCBRIDE - 2012 salary cap number: $1 million

RESTRICTED FREE AGENT:

DE JUNIOR GALETTE - 2012 salary cap number: $500,000

MOST LIKELY TO BE RELEASED OR RESTRUCTURED:

DE WILL SMITH - Signed through: 2014
2012 salary cap number: $5.3 million
2013 cap number: $14.5 million
2013 salary plus bonuses: $10.2 million
If released: Saints would be charged $6.8 million in pro-rated signing bonuses over 2013 and 2014

LB JONATHAN VILMA - Signed through 2013
2012 salary cap number: $4.9 million
2013 cap number: $8.6 million
2013 salary plus bonuses: $6 million
If released: Saints would be charged $2.6 million in pro-rated signing bonuses in 2013

LB DAVID HAWTHORNE - Signed through: 2016
2012 salary cap number: $1.5 million
2013 cap number: $4.8 million
2013 salary plus bonuses: $4 million
If released: Saints would be charged $3 million in pro-rated signing bonuses over 2013 and 2014

So, even if you dump the players mentioned (Smith-3.4, Vilma-3.4, Harper(rs)-2.0 and Shanle-2.25), you're going to have to find $14 million, but consider that you have to replace those players, plus a few others, and we're looking at losing quite a few players from this current roster.

Face it, this team got top heavy. Look at perennial playoff teams like the Steelers, Patriots and Giants, and they don't have these problems. I realize that "keeping the band together" is a great sentiment, but value must = production. It may not be all Brees' fault, but he's showing that he's not Manning, or Brady, or (gasp) Rothlesburger.

We are going to be rebuilding for a least 3 years. Loomis is not a miracle worker.

Jamessr · 11-27-2012, 06:56 AM

DE Will Smith $14.50m
WAYYYYYY overpaid. This will be focus #1 next year.

FinSaint · 11-27-2012, 07:08 AM

I don't agree with the "rebuilding" part, because the core of this team is solid as it is and that core is also sustainable.

So, it's more of a matter of "re-tooling" and finding players that suit the system, whether we are talking about the offense or the defense. Those players don't necessarily have to be highly paid FAs, just players who do their part and fit the system the Saints have already established.

I think the draft will be a very important determinant as to how next year's team is going to shape up, and they really need to hit on most of their picks, and hopefully they'll even get that 2nd round pick back.

Also, I think you forgot to mention that Bushrod will be an UFA, and I don't think they'll be bringing him back - at least with the current salary - so he'll probably be replaced by a cheaper player.

I would try and hang on to Hawthorne, because he is a really good LB, but he has had a difficult pre-season/season with the injuries which have reflected on to his contribution to the active roster. He was a really good catch last offseason, and he'll be an important contributor come next season if he can remain healthy - of which I have no doubt that he can.

TheOak · 11-27-2012, 07:49 AM

A lot of you are going to be damn tired..... If you jump on the hate wagon when Brees is blamed for a loss then you most certainly would have to jump on the love wagon when he is the reason we win?

Flip-Floping fkers...

FinSaint · 11-27-2012, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

A lot of you are going to be damn tired..... If you jump on the hate wagon when Brees is blamed for a loss then you most certainly would have to jump on the love wagon when he is the reason we win?

Flip-Floping fkers...

I still don't see anything wrong with criticizing the guy when his performance warrants criticism... if the shoe fits.

He is one of the single biggest reasons the Saints have been as successful as they have been since 2006, and he is very important to the future success of the team going forward.

But, that doesn't mean that we should put him on a pedestal and not ever talk negatively about him. The bottom line is that he made some really costly mistakes in the game against the 49ers, and those costly mistakes probably ended up costing the Saints the win. That was the story this past Sunday, but it can as easily be the opposite after the Thursday night game against the Failclowns, and I'll be as ready to praise his performance then as I'm ready to criticize him now.

To not criticize him after that Sunday is ultimately homerism and that type of behavior is only suitable to the likes of Failclowns' fans.

TheOak · 11-27-2012, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I still don't see anything wrong with criticizing the guy when his performance warrants criticism... if the shoe fits.

He is one of the single biggest reasons the Saints have been as successful as they have been since 2006, and he is very important to the future success of the team going forward.

But, that doesn't mean that we should put him on a pedestal and not ever talk negatively about him. The bottom line is that he made some really costly mistakes in the game against the 49ers, and those costly mistakes probably ended up costing the Saints the win. That was the story this past Sunday, but it can as easily be the opposite after the Thursday night game against the Failclowns, and I'll be as ready to praise his performance then as I'm ready to criticize him now.

To not criticize him after that Sunday is ultimately homerism and that type of behavior is only suitable to the likes of Failclowns' fans.

Exactly... The offensive line preformed impeccably and it is all on him. Its his fault we had a 4th string tackle not protecting him. Its Brees fault he was sacked 5 times.. out of 41 attempts

We have played 11 games, Drew has been sacked 21 times this season... 1/4 of those were Sunday. The 49ers have 28 sacks on the season... 5 of those were Sunday... That doesn't count for the hits Brees took on another passes and being hurried most of the night.

It is one thing to harass a QB and hit him all night, its another thing to hit him and rush him when you have his receivers pretty damned well covered.

There is cause and effect here.... Not just bad decision making out of stupidity.

" The Saints offensive line was hit hard with the injury big, and hit even harder by the 49ers defense. Sure, the 49ers defense can make any top offensive line look foolish, but the Saints line got beat for five sacks, and allowed San Fran to harass quarterback Drew Brees all game. Brees being hurried for most of the time due to some bad O-line blocking led to some ill-advised passes."

49ers vs. Saints: New Orleans Biggest Winners and Losers from Week 12 | Bleacher Report

Call me a homer all you like. You are just plain narrow of vision if you put it all on Drew. Had he taken another 5 sacks people would be screaming Drew wouldn't get rid of the ball..

11-27-2012, 07:10 AM	#2
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by SaintsBro #4 in yards per game #5 in completions #1 in TD's (31) #9 in yards per completion #7 in QB rating (98.5) #8 in total offense (team) Yeah you're right -- all the dude does is just show up and throw his touchdown pass. Let's keep it real...he is throwing 2.8 TDs per game, not ONE. Clearly the top 5 QB in their top 10 offense is to blame for the Saints record this year. /FAIL I really missed the part where Alaska, or anyone else for that matter, made that statement.

11-27-2012, 08:41 AM	#3
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by FinSaint I really missed the part where Alaska, or anyone else for that matter, made that statement. OK. You're 100% right there. Alaska said he was was CONSISTENTLY only good for showing up and throwing his one TD pass per game (the streak). I don't see much inconsistency in those numbers -- they are on a par with anything else in Brees' past career, and he is consistently throwing more than one TD pass a game. Alaska wanted to "get real." So I did by looking at his numbers. My bad. I guess I just disagree, and I think he is consistently good for a lot more than just those two things that Alaska mentioned. I'm not burning with jealousy for some other QB on one of the other 31 teams right now. TheOak and FinSaint like this.

11-27-2012, 06:18 AM	#5
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon As of now, the Saints are $25 million over $121 million cap: Player 2013 Salary QB Drew Brees $17.40 million DE Will Smith $14.50m G Jahri Evans $9.86m LB Jonathan Vilma $8.63m WR Marques Colston $6.60m G Ben Grubbs $7.30m S Roman Harper $7.10m LB Curtis Lofton $7.10m CB Jabari Greer $5.42m LB David Hawthorne $4.76m DT Brodrick Bunkley $4.70m WR Lance Moore $4.47m CB Malcolm Jenkins $3.88m RB Darren Sproles $3.75m 14 players, $105.47 million out of $121 million. UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS DT SEDRICK ELLIS - 2012 salary cap number: $7.6 million LB SCOTT SHANLE - 2012 salary cap number: $2.25 million LB JONATHAN CASILLAS - 2012 salary cap number: $1.26 million DE TURK MCBRIDE - 2012 salary cap number: $1 million RESTRICTED FREE AGENT: DE JUNIOR GALETTE - 2012 salary cap number: $500,000 MOST LIKELY TO BE RELEASED OR RESTRUCTURED: DE WILL SMITH - Signed through: 2014 2012 salary cap number: $5.3 million 2013 cap number: $14.5 million 2013 salary plus bonuses: $10.2 million If released: Saints would be charged $6.8 million in pro-rated signing bonuses over 2013 and 2014 LB JONATHAN VILMA - Signed through 2013 2012 salary cap number: $4.9 million 2013 cap number: $8.6 million 2013 salary plus bonuses: $6 million If released: Saints would be charged $2.6 million in pro-rated signing bonuses in 2013 LB DAVID HAWTHORNE - Signed through: 2016 2012 salary cap number: $1.5 million 2013 cap number: $4.8 million 2013 salary plus bonuses: $4 million If released: Saints would be charged $3 million in pro-rated signing bonuses over 2013 and 2014 So, even if you dump the players mentioned (Smith-3.4, Vilma-3.4, Harper(rs)-2.0 and Shanle-2.25), you're going to have to find $14 million, but consider that you have to replace those players, plus a few others, and we're looking at losing quite a few players from this current roster. Face it, this team got top heavy. Look at perennial playoff teams like the Steelers, Patriots and Giants, and they don't have these problems. I realize that "keeping the band together" is a great sentiment, but value must = production. It may not be all Brees' fault, but he's showing that he's not Manning, or Brady, or (gasp) Rothlesburger. We are going to be rebuilding for a least 3 years. Loomis is not a miracle worker.
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11-27-2012, 06:56 AM	#6
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon DE Will Smith $14.50m WAYYYYYY overpaid. This will be focus #1 next year.

11-27-2012, 07:08 AM	#7
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon I don't agree with the "rebuilding" part, because the core of this team is solid as it is and that core is also sustainable. So, it's more of a matter of "re-tooling" and finding players that suit the system, whether we are talking about the offense or the defense. Those players don't necessarily have to be highly paid FAs, just players who do their part and fit the system the Saints have already established. I think the draft will be a very important determinant as to how next year's team is going to shape up, and they really need to hit on most of their picks, and hopefully they'll even get that 2nd round pick back. Also, I think you forgot to mention that Bushrod will be an UFA, and I don't think they'll be bringing him back - at least with the current salary - so he'll probably be replaced by a cheaper player. I would try and hang on to Hawthorne, because he is a really good LB, but he has had a difficult pre-season/season with the injuries which have reflected on to his contribution to the active roster. He was a really good catch last offseason, and he'll be an important contributor come next season if he can remain healthy - of which I have no doubt that he can. SaintsBro likes this.
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11-27-2012, 06:48 AM	#1
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints Really, the only thing he does CONSISTENTLY is start and throw at least ONE TD per game. Again; LOVE me some Drew. But let's keep it real. Alaska #4 in yards per game #5 in completions #1 in TD's (31) #9 in yards per completion #7 in QB rating (98.5) #8 in total offense (team) Yeah you're right -- all the dude does is just show up and throw his touchdown pass. Let's keep it real...he is throwing 2.8 TDs per game, not ONE. Clearly the top 5 QB in their top 10 offense is to blame for the Saints record this year. /FAIL

11-27-2012, 09:01 AM	#4
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints I'm thrilled that Drew Brees is a Saint, however there are 31 other starting QB's in the league and quite a few of them have whipped our azz this year. You don't HAVE to be Drew Brees to win a Superbowl. There have been, what, 46 Superbowls won WITHOUT Drew Brees. Imagine that. I know a couple Mannings who have gotten back more than twice. The total DOLT Ben Roethlisburger gets Super Bowl repeats, for Christ's sake. Love me some #9, but all this Superman shat is fantasy. When he stinks one up, he really stinks it up. Really, the only thing he does CONSISTENTLY is start and throw at least ONE TD per game. Again; LOVE me some Drew. But let's keep it real. Alaska Before you go off on a tangent let me stop you, Because there ain't no way in hell im giving up Brees for I probably can go straight away and say half the qbs in the league right now. It's no way you take down Saints passing records, NFL Records and assault teams with Alex Smith as your qb and and a so - so defense. Here's what I do agree with you on....... Jason Whitlock wrote a column before last year's playoff game. I wish I could find it. It seems like the 49ers read it and figured it out. The premise to the whole article was that once or twice a game be it because of his height, or pressure, or just focus loss Drew Brees will get inconsisent and give you an errant throw. So to the sucks it up thing.... It actually happens once or twice a game.

11-27-2012, 07:49 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,061	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon A lot of you are going to be damn tired..... If you jump on the hate wagon when Brees is blamed for a loss then you most certainly would have to jump on the love wagon when he is the reason we win? Flip-Floping fkers... Danno likes this.

11-27-2012, 11:48 AM	#9
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by TheOak A lot of you are going to be damn tired..... If you jump on the hate wagon when Brees is blamed for a loss then you most certainly would have to jump on the love wagon when he is the reason we win? Flip-Floping fkers... I still don't see anything wrong with criticizing the guy when his performance warrants criticism... if the shoe fits. He is one of the single biggest reasons the Saints have been as successful as they have been since 2006, and he is very important to the future success of the team going forward. But, that doesn't mean that we should put him on a pedestal and not ever talk negatively about him. The bottom line is that he made some really costly mistakes in the game against the 49ers, and those costly mistakes probably ended up costing the Saints the win. That was the story this past Sunday, but it can as easily be the opposite after the Thursday night game against the Failclowns, and I'll be as ready to praise his performance then as I'm ready to criticize him now. To not criticize him after that Sunday is ultimately homerism and that type of behavior is only suitable to the likes of Failclowns' fans.
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11-27-2012, 12:27 PM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,061	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by FinSaint I still don't see anything wrong with criticizing the guy when his performance warrants criticism... if the shoe fits. He is one of the single biggest reasons the Saints have been as successful as they have been since 2006, and he is very important to the future success of the team going forward. But, that doesn't mean that we should put him on a pedestal and not ever talk negatively about him. The bottom line is that he made some really costly mistakes in the game against the 49ers, and those costly mistakes probably ended up costing the Saints the win. That was the story this past Sunday, but it can as easily be the opposite after the Thursday night game against the Failclowns, and I'll be as ready to praise his performance then as I'm ready to criticize him now. To not criticize him after that Sunday is ultimately homerism and that type of behavior is only suitable to the likes of Failclowns' fans. Exactly... The offensive line preformed impeccably and it is all on him. Its his fault we had a 4th string tackle not protecting him. Its Brees fault he was sacked 5 times.. out of 41 attempts We have played 11 games, Drew has been sacked 21 times this season... 1/4 of those were Sunday. The 49ers have 28 sacks on the season... 5 of those were Sunday... That doesn't count for the hits Brees took on another passes and being hurried most of the night. It is one thing to harass a QB and hit him all night, its another thing to hit him and rush him when you have his receivers pretty damned well covered. There is cause and effect here.... Not just bad decision making out of stupidity. " The Saints offensive line was hit hard with the injury big, and hit even harder by the 49ers defense. Sure, the 49ers defense can make any top offensive line look foolish, but the Saints line got beat for five sacks, and allowed San Fran to harass quarterback Drew Brees all game. Brees being hurried for most of the time due to some bad O-line blocking led to some ill-advised passes." 49ers vs. Saints: New Orleans Biggest Winners and Losers from Week 12 \| Bleacher Report Call me a homer all you like. You are just plain narrow of vision if you put it all on Drew. Had he taken another 5 sacks people would be screaming Drew wouldn't get rid of the ball.. Boutte likes this.
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