Drew's Arm

TheOak · 12-03-2012, 07:12 AM

Ive started this thread a few times and never finished it...

Am I the only one that sees passes usually caught in stride being thrown behind receivers?

When is the last time any of you hears or saw the phrase "Brees throws his receivers open"?

I am in no way saying his arm is gone, but what I have seen of him in the last few games reminds me of the 2010 season when we found out near the end of the season that he played a few games hurt.

I have tendonitis in both rotator cuffs, and impingement. Drew has his his arm nearly ripped out of socket and is slinging 50 passes/game, you cant tell me his shoulders don't hurt when the weather changes etc...

Let me put it into terms that may wake some people up. The QB that has been touted as one of the most intelligent and accurate QB in the NFL just starts throwing wildly inaccurate passes and makes very bad decisions because.... He ran out of waffles?

Jamessr · 12-03-2012, 08:07 AM

Another reason we need our coach back. "IF" his arm is starting to wear out we'll need that running game more than ever.
I think you're on to something...
How many games has he had throwing 50+ attempts?
I'd be willing to bet this year is the most he's had for attempts or atleast on pace for it

TheOak · 12-03-2012, 08:29 AM

I dont think his arm is wearing out, but I do think he is playing through some discomfort... Payton would not to anything to change that, just as he let him play through the 2010 season. Its not something can be acted on per sey directly with Drew but a Coach can offset his arms use a little to minimize exposure to bad plays.

ALL NFL players play with pain...

Mardigras9 · 12-03-2012, 08:35 AM

He has been short several times in recent memory but accuracy was always his forte over arm strength to begin with. He has just been a victim of himself trying to force throws in the past few games.

TheOak · 12-03-2012, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

He has been short several times in recent memory but accuracy was always his forte over arm strength to begin with. He has just been a victim of himself trying to force throws in the past few games.

I agree that the tipped balls, and interceptions are forced throws... Although those used to be passes where he threw someone open.

The defensive receptions where he misses the receiver by 5 yards is not a force.. This coming from a QB that can put a football in a 5 gal bucket.

UK_WhoDat · 12-03-2012, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

He has been short several times in recent memory but accuracy was always his forte over arm strength to begin with. He has just been a victim of himself trying to force throws in the past few games.

Agree man.
His throw 2 games ago for a TD had Semi-active radar homing on it

dizzle88 · 12-03-2012, 08:43 AM

I've noticed over the past couple years that his deep passes have deteriorated

His deep passes used to be right on the money and now they seem to fall short

What I base this on is; can anyone remember 2009 vs the patriots, brees threw what I thought what the best pass I have ever seen in my life, play action 49 yard pass that literally hit meachems hands without him extending

Now a days I see drew over throw lance Moore when he's wide open, happened a couple times this season, half of drews pick are ones he throws behind receivers
I'm in no way saying his arm is done, but the deep pass he threw to joe Morgan vs ATL that was picked, seemed to lack zip and drew would normally know not to throw that ball when the safeties are playing deep

TheOak · 12-03-2012, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I've noticed over the past couple years that his deep passes have deteriorated

His deep passes used to be right on the money and now they seem to fall short

What I base this on is; can anyone remember 2009 vs the patriots, brees threw what I thought what the best pass I have ever seen in my life, play action 49 yard pass that literally hit meachems hands without him extending

Now a days I see drew over throw lance Moore when he's wide open, happened a couple times this season, half of drews pick are ones he throws behind receivers
I'm in no way saying his arm is done, but the deep pass he threw to joe Morgan vs ATL that was picked, seemed to lack zip and drew would normally know not to throw that ball when the safeties are playing deep

The lightbulb moment for me was Drews long pass to Moore against SF where it became a jump ball.

Watch lance start to slow down at the end... He knows..

QB Brees to WR Moore, 43-yd, pass - NFL Videos

W. Kovacs · 12-03-2012, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The lightbulb moment for me was Drews long pass to Moore against SF where it became a jump ball.

Watch lance start to slow down at the end... He knows..
QB Brees to WR Moore, 43-yd, pass - NFL Videos

I disagree on this one. Defense was over the top. If Drew goes any deeper it's (another) pick at worst, Lance getting smashed and dropping the pass at best.

I think a lot of his troubles stem from really one issue: the O-Line. His lack of protection leads to two things:
- his not being able to step through his throws either because he has defenders in his face or because he's rushing the throw because he's ABOUT to have defenders in his face.
- he's getting abused in the pocket. It's got to start messing with your head when you get hit that often.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make excuses for Drew. I think he should be audibling (is that a word?) into runs more often since Carmichael is obviously oblivious. And he has to see the field better (this is the one that scares me. How does a QB stop being able to read defenses? Worse, how does he get back to being able to do it again?)

Finally, he has to stop trying to carry the whole load himself. I think it's admirable that he wants to be that kind of leader but he's making us predictable.

I really just want the season to end at this point. All I could think during the Falcons came was "Everyone seems to need to take a step back and clear their head." How often does Sproles drop that pass down the sideline that would have gone for, what, 45 yards? Or Moore drop a sure, easy TD? Or Graham get called for PI? Then Drew loses his s**t and tries to throw us back into the game by himself...5 picks.

We're just a mess psychologically and I'm worried someone's going to get hurt as a result.

niteadept · 12-03-2012, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by W. Kovacs

I disagree on this one. Defense was over the top. If Drew goes any deeper it's (another) pick at worst, Lance getting smashed and dropping the pass at best.

I think a lot of his troubles stem from really one issue: the O-Line. His lack of protection leads to two things:
- his not being able to step through his throws either because he has defenders in his face or because he's rushing the throw because he's ABOUT to have defenders in his face.
- he's getting abused in the pocket. It's got to start messing with your head when you get hit that often.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make excuses for Drew. I think he should be audibling (is that a word?) into runs more often since Carmichael is obviously oblivious. And he has to see the field better (this is the one that scares me. How does a QB stop being able to read defenses? Worse, how does he get back to being able to do it again?)

Finally, he has to stop trying to carry the whole load himself. I think it's admirable that he wants to be that kind of leader but he's making us predictable.

I really just want the season to end at this point. All I could think during the Falcons came was "Everyone seems to need to take a step back and clear their head." How often does Sproles drop that pass down the sideline that would have gone for, what, 45 yards? Or Moore drop a sure, easy TD? Or Graham get called for PI? Then Drew loses his s**t and tries to throw us back into the game by himself...5 picks.

We're just a mess psychologically and I'm worried someone's going to get hurt as a result.

This is what I have been trying to tell folks! Drew trying to be Superman with an O-Line that needs to do its main job and protect the QB, all of the dropped passes and Graham needing the ball to fall right into his hands instead of being the aggressive player he was last year. Maybe Graham is still hurt, but it is frustrating watching the D finally start coming around only to watch the Offense unravel.

12-03-2012, 07:12 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Drew's Arm Ive started this thread a few times and never finished it... Am I the only one that sees passes usually caught in stride being thrown behind receivers? When is the last time any of you hears or saw the phrase "Brees throws his receivers open"? I am in no way saying his arm is gone, but what I have seen of him in the last few games reminds me of the 2010 season when we found out near the end of the season that he played a few games hurt. I have tendonitis in both rotator cuffs, and impingement. Drew has his his arm nearly ripped out of socket and is slinging 50 passes/game, you cant tell me his shoulders don't hurt when the weather changes etc... Let me put it into terms that may wake some people up. The QB that has been touted as one of the most intelligent and accurate QB in the NFL just starts throwing wildly inaccurate passes and makes very bad decisions because.... He ran out of waffles? BIGEASY504 likes this.
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12-03-2012, 08:07 AM	#2
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Drew's Arm Another reason we need our coach back. "IF" his arm is starting to wear out we'll need that running game more than ever. I think you're on to something... How many games has he had throwing 50+ attempts? I'd be willing to bet this year is the most he's had for attempts or atleast on pace for it

12-03-2012, 08:29 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Drew's Arm I dont think his arm is wearing out, but I do think he is playing through some discomfort... Payton would not to anything to change that, just as he let him play through the 2010 season. Its not something can be acted on per sey directly with Drew but a Coach can offset his arms use a little to minimize exposure to bad plays. ALL NFL players play with pain...

12-03-2012, 08:35 AM	#4
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Drew's Arm He has been short several times in recent memory but accuracy was always his forte over arm strength to begin with. He has just been a victim of himself trying to force throws in the past few games. UK_WhoDat, breesfan27, st thomas and 1 others like this.

12-03-2012, 08:41 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by Mardigras9 He has been short several times in recent memory but accuracy was always his forte over arm strength to begin with. He has just been a victim of himself trying to force throws in the past few games. I agree that the tipped balls, and interceptions are forced throws... Although those used to be passes where he threw someone open. The defensive receptions where he misses the receiver by 5 yards is not a force.. This coming from a QB that can put a football in a 5 gal bucket.

12-03-2012, 04:00 PM	#6
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,001	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by Mardigras9 He has been short several times in recent memory but accuracy was always his forte over arm strength to begin with. He has just been a victim of himself trying to force throws in the past few games. Agree man. His throw 2 games ago for a TD had Semi-active radar homing on it

12-03-2012, 08:43 AM	#7
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Drew's Arm I've noticed over the past couple years that his deep passes have deteriorated His deep passes used to be right on the money and now they seem to fall short What I base this on is; can anyone remember 2009 vs the patriots, brees threw what I thought what the best pass I have ever seen in my life, play action 49 yard pass that literally hit meachems hands without him extending Now a days I see drew over throw lance Moore when he's wide open, happened a couple times this season, half of drews pick are ones he throws behind receivers I'm in no way saying his arm is done, but the deep pass he threw to joe Morgan vs ATL that was picked, seemed to lack zip and drew would normally know not to throw that ball when the safeties are playing deep
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12-03-2012, 11:35 AM	#9
W. Kovacs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 514	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by TheOak The lightbulb moment for me was Drews long pass to Moore against SF where it became a jump ball. Watch lance start to slow down at the end... He knows.. QB Brees to WR Moore, 43-yd, pass - NFL Videos I disagree on this one. Defense was over the top. If Drew goes any deeper it's (another) pick at worst, Lance getting smashed and dropping the pass at best. I think a lot of his troubles stem from really one issue: the O-Line. His lack of protection leads to two things: - his not being able to step through his throws either because he has defenders in his face or because he's rushing the throw because he's ABOUT to have defenders in his face. - he's getting abused in the pocket. It's got to start messing with your head when you get hit that often. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make excuses for Drew. I think he should be audibling (is that a word?) into runs more often since Carmichael is obviously oblivious. And he has to see the field better (this is the one that scares me. How does a QB stop being able to read defenses? Worse, how does he get back to being able to do it again?) Finally, he has to stop trying to carry the whole load himself. I think it's admirable that he wants to be that kind of leader but he's making us predictable. I really just want the season to end at this point. All I could think during the Falcons came was "Everyone seems to need to take a step back and clear their head." How often does Sproles drop that pass down the sideline that would have gone for, what, 45 yards? Or Moore drop a sure, easy TD? Or Graham get called for PI? Then Drew loses his s**t and tries to throw us back into the game by himself...5 picks. We're just a mess psychologically and I'm worried someone's going to get hurt as a result.

12-03-2012, 11:50 AM	#10
niteadept Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 520 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by W. Kovacs I disagree on this one. Defense was over the top. If Drew goes any deeper it's (another) pick at worst, Lance getting smashed and dropping the pass at best. I think a lot of his troubles stem from really one issue: the O-Line. His lack of protection leads to two things: - his not being able to step through his throws either because he has defenders in his face or because he's rushing the throw because he's ABOUT to have defenders in his face. - he's getting abused in the pocket. It's got to start messing with your head when you get hit that often. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make excuses for Drew. I think he should be audibling (is that a word?) into runs more often since Carmichael is obviously oblivious. And he has to see the field better (this is the one that scares me. How does a QB stop being able to read defenses? Worse, how does he get back to being able to do it again?) Finally, he has to stop trying to carry the whole load himself. I think it's admirable that he wants to be that kind of leader but he's making us predictable. I really just want the season to end at this point. All I could think during the Falcons came was "Everyone seems to need to take a step back and clear their head." How often does Sproles drop that pass down the sideline that would have gone for, what, 45 yards? Or Moore drop a sure, easy TD? Or Graham get called for PI? Then Drew loses his s**t and tries to throw us back into the game by himself...5 picks. We're just a mess psychologically and I'm worried someone's going to get hurt as a result. This is what I have been trying to tell folks! Drew trying to be Superman with an O-Line that needs to do its main job and protect the QB, all of the dropped passes and Graham needing the ball to fall right into his hands instead of being the aggressive player he was last year. Maybe Graham is still hurt, but it is frustrating watching the D finally start coming around only to watch the Offense unravel. Halo, SaintsBro and W. Kovacs like this.

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