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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 475850)

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This is why I'm in the minority and am critical of Mickey Loomis; and if he's not a personnel guy and just a salary cap man, then why doesn't he get someone who's better and who does a better job with the first round picks?!?

You've got to make those first rounders count, and the Saints haven't and that's why I am even more amazed at the job that Coach Payton has done...

We haven't done badly with 1st rounders under Payton/Loomis, we just haven't hit on many 'elite" players

Jordan (looks great so far)
Ingram (solid for a late round 1st)
Robinson (32nd pick, jury still out)
Jenkins (jury still out, but hope is fading)
Ellis (not a bust, but underperforming)
Meachem (meh, average player)
Bush (certainly not a bust by any standard)

We don't have a bust anywhere on that list. A few under-performers but no Sullivans.

I'm sure we're better off than most teams 1st round picks.

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 475690)

Dion Jordan would be a nice pick since he could potentially play OLB right out of the gates and with time bulk up to that frame and move to DE, since he really doesn't have the mass to be an effective 3-4 DE at the moment.

The thing that concerns me about Alex Okafor is that according to the scouting reports I've read about him, his best weapon seems to be his speed and especially his initial first step, but he doesn't have the coverage skills to be an 3-4 OLB. And on the other hand, he doesn't have the size nor strength to give the push from a "hand-on-the-ground" position, which would make him ineffective as a 3-4 DE. Now, these are all assumptions I'm making simply based on the reports I've read, and most of them do state that these shortcoming can be fixed with time and coaching, but the Saints need the 1st round pick to be an immediate impact player - whatever his position will be - and therefore I wouldn't want them to pick a player who needs time in order to be that. Also he has fairly short arms, which could be a problem especially at the 3-4 DE position where long arms are a must.

i have to agree with most of what your saying here but the under rated thing with him is strength. the more you read on him the more people do not agree on his skill set. he is one of the harder players to do research on the web in this year draft. OLB skill sets do worry me the more i watch tape of him. not so much shallow routs as the intermediate route. 10 - 20 yards he would be asked to cover. but i am sold on his skill set as a rusher at DE. moving him inbetween the tackle and guard could be an issue, quickness only solves so much. so now i am on the fence with him

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ok i had repost this here

Cam and Short as DE with hicks rotating in at DE and NT

the reason is i am having dreams of Short and Hicks playing DE for us. either way i think we will need to depth to 34 DE position. have Hicks slide to NT on passing downs?

i am wondering how good Cam could be as olb? not sure how much i am kidding here.

ok nt is still an issue and i look to the early mid rounds of the draft to address it.

Brandon Williams, NT, Missouri Southern - saints would have do some moves to land him after the senior bowl performance. oh my god am i falling for hype here or what? i would not spend anything higher than a 4th here i think. 3rd? might be too high, then again i said that about Hicks last year and so far i am eating crow with a smile on my face

but to pass on my boy Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington who should go in round 1 now would be hard to do. trade down a bit, take him and get a pick would be sweet. i always thought the second round rating he got was tooo freaking low.

ok i need coffee some talk sense to me here

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IDK, the thing that bothers me about Williams is that he is "only" 6-2, but then again Vince Wilfork is "only" 6-1 and one of the most effective NTs in the modern day of NFL.

Still, I would like them to get a big - like 6-5 - space-eater to be their NT and not another Bunkley with just more mass on him.

But then again, I didn't see the Senior Bowl performance you were referring to, so you probably have a much better understanding of what he might bring to the table.

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Jessie Williams, AL?

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 475894)

Jessie Williams, AL?

2-down DT at Alabama and it looked like he sure got tired easily.

Probably a good rotational DT.

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How about William Ghoston in the 3rd round? At 6'7" 275lbs. DE opposite Jordan

I like Dion Jordan in the first; 6'7" 240+lbs. for OLB

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 475900)

2-down DT at Alabama and it looked like he sure got tired easily.

Probably a good rotational DT.

Nose Tackle? Pass Rush would be your DE and OLBs...

He couldn't anchor point of attack?

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 475918)

Nose Tackle? Pass Rush would be your DE and OLBs...

He couldn't anchor point of attack?

Lots of DT's play 3-downs. Jessie ain't one of 'em.

Could just be by design in Saban's system though.

He'd probably be fine in a rotation though.

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I would like us taking either Montgomery or Mingo