2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board

[hagan714]

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Interviews the Saints have taken with NFL Prospects...

Note: Do you see any offensive tackles in the list?

nope that worries me


DT
Brandon Williams, DL, Missouri Southern (SR)
Corey Grissom, DL, South Florida (SR)
Josh Boyd, DL, Mississippi State (EW)

OLB
Zaviar Gooden, LB, Missouri (SR)
Chase Thomas, LB, Stanford (SR)CB
Demontre Hurst, CB, Oklahoma (EW)
Leon McFadden, DB, San Diego State (SR)

SS
TJ McDonald, DB, USC (SR)
Brendan Melanophy, DB, Fordham (PRO)
Cooper Taylor, S, Richmond (EW)

FS
Bradley McDougald, S, Kansas (EW)

WR
Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall (SR)
Tyrone Goard, WR, Eastern Kentucky (EW)
Aaron Mellette, WR, Elon (SR)
Trent Steelman, WR, Army (EW)
Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor (SR)

TE
Travis Kelce, TE, Cincinnati (COM)
Chris Pantale, TE, Boston College (EW)

FB
Zach Line, RB, SMU (EW)

RB
Christine Michael, RB, Texas A&M (VINT) (EW)
Derrick Washington, RB, Tuskegee (INT)

QB
Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas (SR)

ok that looks better

5? WR hmmm

[FinSaint]

So, are these mostly guys who are expected to end up undrafted?

[hagan714]

interesting enough i was looking through the list and most are player that are at the bottom or top of rounds through out the draft. not exactly were the saints are picking

so fallers in the draft?
trade down or trade up for players?

love trying to use this visit with stuff. lmao

[hagan714]

Jonathan Stewart ILB Texas A&M 6'4" 242, ran 4.55 at pro day. projection

Been waiting for these number. not the most aggressive ILB in the draft but is smart and consistence

6th or FA , wonder if he can play OLB.

[lee909]

Just having a look at some late/undrafted players

Even if we keep Ivory/Ingram and Cadet i dont think any of them are at there best on short down/goal line carries.
Assuming we loose at least one of them.

Cameron Marshall RB, Arizona State
Height: 5-11. Weight: 223.
Projected 40 Time: 4.57.
Projected Round (2013): 6-7.
2/16/13: Marshall was part of a committee approach in 2012. He had 583 yards and nine touchdowns on 135 carries.

8/16/12: Marshall has had a quality collegiate career for the Sun Devils. He ran for 1,050 yards and 18 touchdowns in 2011, averaging 4.6 yards per carry. Marshall has a nice burst with some agility. He moves like a smaller back, but has good size.

Marshall entered the starting lineup in 2010 and had 787 yards rushing (5.2 average) with nine touchdowns. He is a nice receiver out of the backfield with a total of 55 receptions for 459 yards and one touchdown in three seasons

Cameron Marshall Highlights Arizona State - YouTube

Cameron Marshall Highlights Arizona State - YouTube

CB

Corey Broomfield, CB, Mississippi State
Height: 5-10. Weight: 180.
Projected 40 Time: 4.54.
Projected Round (2013): 6-7.

Overview(NFL Draft Tracker)

For the first time in his three-year career with the Bulldogs, Broomfield failed to intercept a pass in 2011. It was understandable, however, since he played with a cast covering a broken right thumb suffered against Auburn in the second game of the year. The resilience he showed working through that injury only increased his value to scouts despite the lack of turnovers he created, and his ability to move over to the strong safety spot for his senior year again improved his draft stock for an NFL needing tough defensive backs who can handle themselves around the line as well as in coverage.

Interceptions were not a problem in Broomfield's first year with MSU (or his senior year in high school when he returned two of five interceptions for touchdowns). He picked off six passes, along with four pass break-ups), starting three times in 12 games on his way to Freshman All-SEC honors in 2009. His 64-yard "pick-six" against rival Ole Miss sealed the Egg Bowl win that season. He started all 13 games at right cornerback as a sophomore, making 52 stops, 4.5 for loss, intercepting three passes and breaking up six others. In his one-handed junior year, Broomfield was credited with 59 tackles and five pass break-ups.

Analysis
Strengths
Versatile, feisty defender who does not back down from any player or challenge. Has played outside, in the slot, and as a deep safety. Takes on blocks with aggression. Good foot quickness in the slot to stick with receivers off the line. Also plays the run hard on the edge, takes on tight end and linemen. Downhill players against the run when lined up deep. Secure tackler for his size, breaks down quickly and uses his wiry strength and want-to to finish off the ballcarrier. Also takes out receivers with strong cut tackles. Should be a solid zone corner, able to read the quarterback and close to the spot before receiver gets there. Very good ball skills for the position, can adjust to high or low throws well and has speed, vision, and toughness to reverse field position after the catch.

Weaknesses
Shorter than scouts prefer at defensive back and also possesses a slight build. At a disadvantage downfield and on the line against larger receivers, even though he has length and tenacity to hold his own. Must prove trail ability and recovery speed against NFL slot receivers. Can be high and stiff in his pedal, best when moving forward.

NFL Comparison
Lardarius Webb

Bottom Line
A lack of size might knock Broomfield down some draft boards, but I wouldn’t discount his ability to play in a nickel safety or slot corner capacity in the NFL. His secure tackling while playing through a broken thumb throughout 2011 (he racked up 59 stops, five for loss playing one-handed) and his excellent ball skills when both hands are intact (nine INT in 2009-2010), give scouts a clue that he has a chance to make an impact as a starting or top reserve zone corner.
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Corey Broomfield - YouTube

Corey Broomfield - YouTube

Trey Wilson, CB, Vanderbilt
Height: 5-11. Weight: 195.
Projected 40 Time: 4.58.
Projected Round (2013): 6-7.

3/9/13: Wilson assembled 36 tackles, three interceptions, one forced fumble and eight passes broken up in 2012. He finished the year strong with a good performance against N.C. State and was solid at the East-West Shrine.

9/1/12: Wilson did pretty well opposite Casey Hayward in 2011. Wilson totaled 30 tackles with three interceptions and 11 passes defensed. It will be interesting to see how the senior performs without Hayward.

Trey Wilson Vanderbilt Football Highlights - YouTube

Trey Wilson Vanderbilt Football Highlights - YouTube

Travis Howard, CB, Ohio State
Height: 6-1. Weight: 196.
Projected 40 Time: 4.59.
Projected Round (2013): 5-6.
3/9/13: Howard had a great start to the season with three interceptions and two passes broken up through the first two games. He cooled down, but still was solid overall in 2012. Howard totaled 39 tackles, five passes defensed and four interceptions. He didn't impress at the East-West Shrine.

9/1/12: Howard had 41 tackles with two interceptions, five passes broken up and two forced fumbles last season. He has good size and some physicality.

Howard could move to safety in the NFL if he doesn't perform well at corner as a senior. Howard had a shoulder injury that limited him as a sophomore in 2010.

Travis Howard vs Wisconsin 2011 - YouTube

Travis Howard vs Wisconsin 2011 - YouTube

Larry Black, Jr., DT, Indiana
Height: 6-2. Weight: 309.
Projected 40 Time: 5.55.
Projected Round (2013): FA.
3/2/13: Black played well for Indiana and made a number of plays behind the line of scrimmage. He had 12 tackles for a loss, four sacks and 36 tackles in 2012. Black didn't work out at the Combine.

8/25/12: Black, Jr. could fit as a nose tackle in the NFL. If he were to add 20 pounds of bulk, he could be a good fit as a 3-4 nose tackle. Black totaled 47 tackles with 5.5 tackles for a loss and 1.5 sacks as a junior in 2011.

The sophomore started 12 games at defensive tackle in 2010. He had 7.5 tackles for a loss, 29 tackles and 1.5 sacks. If Black plays well this season, his stock could rise.

Larry Black Jr. Highlight Film.wmv - YouTube

Larry Black Jr. Highlight Film.wmv - YouTube

A.J. Francis, DT, Maryland
Height: 6-3. Weight: 305.
Projected 40 Time: 5.03.
Projected Round (2013): 5-6.
3/2/13: Francis had a quality senior season with 43 tackles, nine tackles for a loss, five passes batted and four sacks. He played well at the East-West Shrine. Francis didn't work out at the Combine.

8/25/12: Francis had 31 tackles with three tackles for a loss and two sacks in 2011. He was Maryland's starting nose tackle for the majority of the 2010 season. The sophomore was second on the defensive line in tackles with 44. He also had seven tackles for a loss and 2.5 sacks. Francis has room to improve in 2012.

#96 A.J. Francis -Maryland Terrapins- Senior Highlight Tape - YouTube

#96 A.J. Francis -Maryland Terrapins- Senior Highlight Tape - YouTube

Joe Vellano, DT, Maryland
Height: 6-1. Weight: 285.
Projected 40 Time: 5.03.
Projected Round (2013): 5-6.
3/2/13: Vellano had a good senior season. He totaled 61 tackles, 14 tackles for a loss and six sacks. Vellano is a very good college player, but a tweener for the NFL. He had flashed at times at the East-West Shrine. Vellano didn't work out at the Combine.

8/25/12: Vellano had 94 tackles with 7.5 tackles for a loss, 2.5 sacks, two forced fumbles and four passes broken up last season. He was an excellent run-defender for Maryland. Vellano had 63 tackles, 10.5 tackles for a loss, five sacks and one forced fumble in 2010.

The senior should add more weight for the NFL. He probably fits best as a nose tackle in a 4-3 defense.

Joe Vellano Maryland Football - YouTube

Joe Vellano Maryland Football - YouTube

Nathan Williams, DE/OLB, Ohio State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 241. Arm: 30.58.
40 Time: 4.88.
Projected Round (2013): 7-FA.


Combine Results

40 yards 4.88 SEC
Bench 24 REPS
Vert 35.0 INCH
Broad 113.0 INCH
3 cone 6.99 SEC

Overview

Williams was considered a key part of the Buckeyes in 2011, a squad still trying to figure out their future with former head coach Jim Tressel forced into retirement due to off-the-field issues surrounding the program. But in the season opener against Akron, the team’s starting defensive end suffered a knee injury that, at first, was only supposed to require arthroscopic surgery to repair. But eventually, it was discovered that micro-fracture surgery would be needed before Williams could return.



The all-state and two-time all-district high school star from Ohio got on the field as a true freshman despite the team’s depth up front (18 tackles, four for loss, two sacks—both against Northwestern). He played in all 13 games in 2009, consistently getting into the backfield (one start, 26 tackles, eight for loss, 3.5 sacks) as he did again the following year as a 10-game starter (12 games played, 45 tackles, 8.5 for loss, 4.5 sacks, interception, three pass break-ups). In Williams' final season, he made 39 tackles (3.5 for loss), and also notched two sacks.

Analysis

Strengths
Tough, instinctive player. Upper body power. Challenges the lateral movement of tackles whether playing with his hand down or standing up (and on the left or right side), can accelerate to the quarterback if his man overextends. Contain on bootlegs and misdirection, chases down backs even if they get an advantage on stop-start moves in the backfield. Keeps his eyes in the backfield and uses strong hands to get off blocks to make plays in the hole. Also spin off blocks to grab backs going through the line or chase down scrambling quarterbacks. Plays strong against tight ends outside, showing attitude with his ability to rip off their blocks to free himself.

Weaknesses
Left knee must check out medically after having microfracture and athroscopic surgery last fall. A lack of bulk allowsbetter linemen to stone Williams’ advances and control him on the edge. A bit of a 'tweener. His get-off, flexibility and hand usage are not quite enough for him to be an elite pass rusher. Doesn't always take the best angles, and his over-aggressive nature can be used against him. Must sense cut blocks more quickly and use his hands to defeat them.

NFL Comparison
Erik Walden
Bottom Line
Williams is a bit of a 'tweener, but he's instinctive and can hold up at the point of attack and provide containment. He's not an overly explosive pass rusher, but he could have value to a team as a backup due to his toughness and mental aptitude.

Nathan Williams vs Penn State (2012) - YouTube

Nathan Williams vs Penn State (2012) - YouTube

Travis Long, OLB, Washington State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 256.
Projected 40 Time: 4.79.
Projected Round (2013): 6-7.
3/2/13: Long turned in three multi-sack games through the first four contests of the year. He totaled 61 tackles, 13 tackles for a loss, 9.5 sacks, four passes batted, an interception and a forced fumble in 2012.

Long should definitely stay as a 3-4 linebacker in the NFL. He is very much in the mold of the Texans' linebackers Connor Barwin and Brooks Reed. Long didn't participate in the Combine or play in an All-Star game.

8/29/12: The Cougars are making the switch to a 3-4 defense and moving Long to outside linebacker. He played linebacker in high school before being moved to end in college.

Long is a much better fit as a standup linebacker who can use his speed and athleticism to attack offenses in space. If the senior performs well this season, he could be a prospect similar to Brooks Reed or Connor Barwin.

Long has had modest production over the past two years. He had 51 tackles, 10.5 tackles for a loss, five sacks and one forced fumble in 2010. The junior notched 42 tackles, 12 tackles for a loss, four sacks and a forced fumble last season.

While Long's stat line is just decent, the coaches of the Pac-12 names him as a 2011 Second-Team All-Pac-12 selection. He had a bigger impact than his numbers illustrated.

Long definitely is an outside linebacker for the NFL game. He is a nice sleeper prospect who could be in store for a good final season to elevate his draft stock.



Overview

An all-state pick as a defensive lineman and tight end from Spokane (he was born at Fairchild Air Force Base there), Long decided to stay in eastern Washington to play for the Cougars. And whether he’s lined up at defensive end or linebacker for head coach Paul Wulff, who had spent eight years at Eastern Washington before coming to Pullman, the three-time all-conference pick makes an impression on opposing offenses – and NFL scouts.

Even as a true freshman, Long was given honorable mention notice from conference coaches because he racked up 47 tackles, 6.5 for loss, two sacks while starting all 12 games. He again earned those accolades and started every game in 2010, increasing his production (51 tackles, 10.5 for loss, four sacks, three pass break-ups). Though he had surgery on his shoulder in the spring of 2011, he excelled in his junior year, garnering second-team All-Pac-12 honors with 12 tackles for loss and four sacks. As a senior, Washington State moved to a 3-4 defense, and he played the “Buck” end/linebacker hybrid position.
Analysis
Strengths
Versatile performer who plays with his hand on the ground and as a stand-up pass rusher. Intelligent and instinctual, usually contains on the edge and sniffs out screens and bootlegs well. Flashes quick and strong hands to pop off blocks outside, can also spin out of blocks when needed. Works hard to hold the line as a defensive end. Possesses enough short-area agility to handle coverage duties as a linebacker, also physical against running backs and tight ends in space. Bullish pass rusher, gets his hands on his man’s numbers to drive him backwards. Most sacks comes from his relentless effort. Hustles down the line and across the field to involve himself in plays run away from him. Solid tackler, wraps the torso with authority and works hard to drag down the ballcarrier.
Weaknesses
Not a physically dominating defender. Lean build for a defensive end, stronger tackles win in the upper-body battles on the edge. Gets knocked off his route fairly easy with a big punch, does not bring a ton of power to his own punch. Flexibility and get-off are not exceptional, does not have an elite first step or turn the corner with regularity. Straight-speed and agility will be tested when covering NFL tight ends in space.
NFL Comparison
Trevor Scott
Bottom Line
This eastern Washington native stayed in the Palouse to play for the Cougars, and has earned all-conference honors and started every game since his redshirt freshman season. Though not elite in his strength or athleticism, he has good short-area agility and fits the profile of many mid-to-late round 3-4 linebackers who use their instincts and toughness contribute heavily in the NFL.



Quanterus Smith, DE, Western Kentucky
Height: 6-5. Weight: 250. Arm: 33.28.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2013): 5-7.


Overview

The rosters of Sun Belt Conference teams have become required reading for NFL scouts, especially since Osi Umenyiora (picked in the second round of the 2003 draft by the Giants out of Troy) and DeMarcus Ware (first round, 2005, Dallas, Troy) started to consistently harass pro quarterbacks. Smith might not have quite the athleticism of those two Pro Bowlers, but his potential as a hand-down or stand-up pass rusher is intriguing.



Quanterus (pronounced quan-TERR-us) played in every game during his career with the Hilltoppers, starting two as a redshirt freshman (12 tackles, one for loss) before lining up with the first team 10 times the following year (47 tackles, 10.5 for loss, 4.5 sacks). Even though he only started six games of the 12 games in which he played in 2011, Sun Belt coaches still voted him second-team all-conference for his play, as his 11 tackles for loss (38 total) and 7.5 sacks gave opposing offenses headaches no matter when he stepped onto the gridiron. Smith’s senior year got off to an excellent start. Through ten games, he was leading the nation in sacks with 12.5 before an ACL tear prematurely ended his season. His performance over those ten games was so dominating that he still finished as the FBS leader in sacks per game (1.25) and was named the 2012 Sun Belt Player of the year. It’s unlikely that Smith will be able to contribute much in 2013, but if he checks out medically he could end up one of the steals of the draft.
Analysis
Strengths
Possesses the length pro coaches love to see on their defense. Flashes the explosion off the snap as an edge rusher to beat most college tackles to the back of the pocket. Agile enough to contain on the edge and move in space when asked to drop, as well as the motor to hustle down the line and fight to the quarterback until the ball is away. Plays the weak and strong sides of the formation, using extension and a bit more lower body strength than expected given his size to hold his own against right tackles. Hand use greatly improved between junior and senior seasons. Now possesses active, disruptive hands, constantly fighting for inside position and waxing blockers’ hands off his body. Has the flexibility to dip his shoulder and reduce his surface area coming around the edge. Creative pass rusher who understands the art of the slow rush. Gets the offensive tackle to over-commit, then beats him with a rip to the outside or swim to the inside. Makes plays on coverage units as an interior presence.
Weaknesses
Pad level coming off the ball is poor. Needs to learn fire off low, roll his hips through contact, and convert speed to power. Must work on tightening his path to the quarterback around the corner, as he can be ridden out of the pocket too easily. Cheats back off the line of scrimmage obviously when twisting with the defensive tackle. Needs to continue adding bulk and filling out his frame. Good first step, but isn’t lightning quick. Coming off reconstructive knee surgery performed in November, and likely will not be able to contribute in 2012.
NFL Comparison
Mark Anderson
Bottom Line
The part-time starter in 2011 managed to earn second-team All-Sun Belt honors (11 tackles for loss, 7.5 sacks) in 2011 while also displaying great upside to NFL scouts due to his length and explosion off the edge as a pass rusher. He lined up as a starter full-time in 2012, showing a much improved all around game. Unfortunately, the 2012 Sun Belt Defensive Player of the Year tore his ACL in November, ending his senior season after just ten games. How Smith checks out medically will have a huge effect on his stock, but a team that feels good about his knee might feel the Hilltopper's skill as a pass rusher is worth investing a Day 2 pick on him.

Quanterus Smith vs Southern Miss (2012) - YouTube

Quanterus Smith vs Southern Miss (2012) - YouTube

Quanterus Smith vs Alabama (2012) - YouTube

Quanterus Smith vs Alabama (2012) - YouTube

Offensive

Elvis Fisher, OT, Missouri
Height: 6-5. Weight: 300.
Projected 40 Time: 5.25.
Projected Round (2013): FA.
2/9/13: Fisher has the talent to be a second-day pick, but can't stay on the field. It didn't start out that way; he was the starting left tackle as a freshman in 2008. Fisher was an All-Big XII honorable mention at left tackle in 2009 and 2010. He had an excellent 2010 season as the blind-side protector for Blaine Gabbert. Fisher completely shut down Adrian Clayborn in Clayborn's final collegiate game.

Fisher missed the 2011 season with a ruptured patellar tendon. He was hurt again this season, having to be carted off the field versus Georgia. That injury was an MCL strain that kept him out for three games. Fisher has to excel at the NFL Scouting Combine and his pro day in order to get drafted. He would be worth a shot as an undrafted free agent.

Oklahoma D vs Missouri O 2010 - YouTube

Oklahoma D vs Missouri O 2010 - YouTube

Alex Hurst, OT, LSU
Height: 6-6. Weight: 340.
Projected 40 Time: 5.19.
Projected Round (2012): FA.
2/9/13: After the Florida game, Hurst missed the rest of the season dealing with a personal issue. His potential return to football is unknown.

Hurst helped himself in the early going of 2012. He was fabulous against Washington, blasting open holes in the ground game. Hurst was the blocker who the Tigers ran behind the most, going behind him with success in critical short-yardage situations and on the goal line. He is a road grader as a run-blocker.

The senior's pass blocking was improved, but he was moved to left tackle due to the absence of Chris Faulk and had some rough moments against Florida. Hurst did his best to pick up outside blitzers, but his left guard was terrible at adjusting with him.

8/23/12: Hurst had a lot of good games blocking for LSU in 2011. He was a tough run-blocker and did a quality job in pass protection. Hurst should stay at right tackle and is not a candidate to move to left tackle. He has good power and technique. Hurst struggled in both games against the Crimson Tide's edge rushers. He probably needs to drop some weight and improve his mobility for the edge-rushers in the NFL.

Hurst took over for the right tackle position after Joseph Barksdale left LSU. Hurst is a massive blocker who has great strength. He is a leader on the offensive line and has won a lot of awards in the program for his work ethic and weight-room dedication. Run blocking is Hurst's strength. He needs to improve his ability to block speed-rushers.


Garrett Gilkey, G, Chadron State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 314. Arm: 31 3/4. Hand: 10 3/8.
Projected 40 Time: 5.29.
Projected Round (2013): 4-6.
2/9/13: Gilkey already has an NFL body, and he held his own at the Senior Bowl against the better competition. Gilkey played left tackle in college, but will have to move inside in the NFL. He was a 3-year starter at left tackle for Chadron State and collected a lot of conference awards.





As you can see work today is pretty boring

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by lee909

Just having a look at some late/undrafted players...As you can see work today is pretty boring

Nice work lee...

...just glad you're not on my payroll

[lee909]

I work in security so with no staff here at weekends means reading the net and watching sports.

[jeanpierre]

2013 Saint's Draft Mock (JeanPierre)

[Updated 2013/03/10]

R1(15) Saints select LB Alec Ogletree, Georgia

R3(75) Saints select FS Bacarri Rambo, Georgia

R4(106) Saints select OT Chris Faulk, LSU

R5(137) Saints select OT Reid Fragel, Ohio St

R6(173) Saints select SS Cooper Taylor, Richmond

[jeanpierre]

Should Chase Daniel sign elsewhere, I expect us to draft a quarterback...

[Seer1]

So, who is your second NT?