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A subliminal predicted finish in this photo? Not that we did not expect the Saints to finish atop the NFC South! :mrgreen:

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Not so subliminal... Look at all of the stacks.

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We are no weaker with out Ingram. Is he proven? Yes, proven to be the man that can't gain enough YPC to jump start the running game, reliably get a 1st down.

Are Robinson and Cadet proven? No. Where will they be next year if Ingram stays? Still unproven or running it down our throat on another team.

Seattle was about depth.. everyone went down. we have depth.

As much as I hate to say it because this is his one gig, this is all on Payton. RBs are not drafted in the first round anymore because they are just not that valuable at draft time. In the last 3 years only 3 RBs have gone in the first round.

Anyone remember how many RB we went through in 2009?

Seven: They all go down at one time or another, that's why we RB by committee. (It's smart)
PT
Bell
Hammilton
Bush
Eckel
Evans
Mailei

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We should keep him ... it's a luxury we can afford to keep for now. There will be injuries during this championship season.

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Yes.... One would expect Ingram to do a lot better than a rookie?

The context of my original reply when someone said Robinson did what he did it was against other than starters was that Ingram (starter) was running against non starters also... It was an "ill go along with your argument" reply, because honestly, for a RB it doesn't matter what string he is going up against unless he is blocking. RBs take on holes not DTsm that is what linemen are for.

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I would agree wholeheartedly if not for the possibility we could get a defensive starter for him.

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If we were to trade ingram i think now is the wrong time to do it, unless we could get a guy like JPP as part of the trade

If we are going to trade him i think we should do it in next years draft, get a years play out of him as I dont know who we could get that would start this year on defense

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Perceived value also accompanies risk. Play the hot hand, strike when the iron is hot, and all that yada...

Right now it seems that due to injuries in the league Ingram could go for more than the face value of his card, wait until the off season or draft and injury could happen, better draft picks could happen, more things could happen to devalue him that increase his value. It's a gamble.

Out of curiosity, why is now the wrong time?

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I just feel now is the wrong time as its a week before the start of the regular season

If we got a defensive player that we wanted to make an immediate impact would they have enough time to learn rob ryans scheme or would they have to be brought along slowly.

I think if we were to do it coming up to the draft next year no.1 we got a years play from ingram, no.2 if we get a player in the trade he has a full offseason and training camp with our team and no.3 like you correctly pointed out - our offense is successful due to the depth and versatility at RB, if ingram gets traded now it only takes PT to get injured and we are dangerously thin on the RB side.

I think if we were to get a years play out of ingram and trade him next year it would be a safe plan, sometimes gambles pay off (ambush) and sometimes you get burned by them

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The catch to the defense is that it morphs throughout the season and into the playoffs so even our veterans are learning slightly different things week in and week out, it changes based on who we play.

Who ever we get will not be off the street and while a lot of defensive coordinators claim a defensive scheme there are only a few distinctly different different defensive schemes so all a player has to learn is the calls.

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Guy must know something he was right about Tebow.
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That first statement is very true; but, it does help with team chemistry - knowing the tendencies of your teammates and curbing your game to make the unit better is a very important aspect of developing a unit...

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Than is also very true.... Chemistry amongst the 11 on the field is huge.... That being said we have flip flopped and dealt with so many recent injuries nearly everyone on the defense is still learning the chemistry. Adding one more veteran that can impact the defense is hardly going to make that more challenging unless we pick up the wrong person.

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The waiting one more season could also have us with no Graham next year.... Who knows who else we could lose for any reason. We have to take each year and try to make IT better and worry about next year after.

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actually if a trade was to happen were it helps the cap and get a solid value in return it would be this one

BUT that leaves us gambling big time with a young depth chart.

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Has anybody in the 14 pages so far speculated that maybe the rumor is coming from the Giants side, that after what happened to Andre Brown the other night, they picked up the phone and called a bunch of people, including the Saints, and the Saints really have nothing to do with it except they answered the phone and are considering the offer to talk about it?

That seems really plausible to me. Somebody calling up and making a pitch for "hey, let's talk about Mark Ingram" doesn't necessarily mean he's on the auction block, or doesn't mean they are really in heavy duty talks on this. It could just be the Giants picking up the phone and feeling around to try and solve their problem. And it fits the guy's tweets, the vagueness and the lack of confirmable facts about the situation.

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Ingram isn't going anywhere. And I'm glad. I think he's going to be good this year.

This post has been approved by Danno and cannot be edited without the express written consent of Danno. ;-)

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Just because he was right about Tebow doesn't mean he had any kind of inside info. A ton of people were saying he was probably going to get cut. Parroting others is not "inside" information, and besides which if this guy was legit he wouldn't have such an axe to grind.

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No one has assumed it came from the Saints side. Both teams have a side and both leak what they want to. Coming from the Giants doesn't make it any less of a rumor.

There have been details about offers listed.... That's a little more substantial than "hello".


Part of the reason I think "something" is going on is because we have released ZERO about keepers or cuts with 3 hours to go. Nada, nothing, zip, zilch...

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And just because a deal didn't go through that was in the works doesn't mean it was never in the works. A lot of deals that two parties go back and forth on never come to fruition.

Remember.... The guy didn't say Ingram was being traded, he said it was in the works... He also didn't say Tebow was being traded, he said he was being cut.

Read the op again.. "Being discussed 50/50 chance"

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As was originally posted, a source that has posted information before has posted this RUMOR...

...we take it for what it is, discuss for discussion sake, and what happens will happen...

...was posted in Big, Red Markup > RUMOR...

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Didnt take a genius to figure out Tebow would be cut if you watched the preseason games

2 for 7 for -4 yards, yeah he deserves a roster spot

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Well Ingram did not do that well against Dolphins soon to be cut players. Im all for it although I would rather see us trade for talent that could help us at Lb now.
I tried to tell you this might happen during the Dolphins game. Yea its a rumor, but all rumors are based on some kind of truth. Even if the truth in this case is that a trade involving Ingram is not a bad idea.

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Ingram did okay, 9 rushes for 49 yards and a TD, nearly 5 YPC

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Huh? You didn't watch the game did you?

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He is also trucking with his signature stiff arm. Not many opportunities to do that last year. Get him to the edges, get him screens, passes and he's going to be effective.

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Preseason fine, 17 point lead fine.... PT no longer on the team, sure.... Other than that Ingram gets no screen over PT.

Also, he has to get himself to the edges.... He hasn't been able.

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When Ingram's in the game opponents should be expecting anything. He can do just fine in the screen game. Comparing him with Pierre is unfair. PT may be the absolute best screen pass RB in the entire NFL. That doesn't mean we shouldn't throw screens to Ingram.

And getting outside hasn't been an Ingram problem as much as it was an O-line problem. Payton stated its one of the things he wanted to improve upon.

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No defense has ever had to guess what was coming out of our backfield in a few years..... It doesn't work that way with RB by a committee of specialists.

Reggie may have been the last to leave a defense guessing and that is because he didn't know which way he was going to go either.

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With Reggie the only question was east or west.:p

PT is a complete RB. Defenses must prepare for anything.
Ingram will be used more like PT this year. So far he looks good at it.
Sproles is a scat back, so the draws and pitches will keep defenses guessing.

I think Cadet offers a lot of what Sproles can offer, skill set wise.

Robinson looks like he can become a complete back pretty soon. He looks to be able to do everything well. Thats why I don't get the Ivory comparisons at all. Robinson is way more versatile than Ivory ever was.

Robinson, to me looks like a stronger faster PT, thats dangerous!

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Exactly, on the screen pass vs texans, they sent like 5 rushers to get brees and could tell the last thing they expected was a screen to ingram and it worked like a dream

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You somewhat made my point, now when S. Jack, A. Pete, Charles, Lynch who are every down backs what do you know about what is coming at you?

Defenses may not know exactly what we are doing but they can narrow it down a little.

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I guess this means no c0ckmonger aye

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I'm just going to hide this thread until Salarys are not guaranteed.... You ok with that Danno?
:)

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gregg rosenthal ‏@greggrosenthal 1m
Giants cut David Carr and Ryan Torain. Surprising. RB on the way ...

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I think this deal is in the works... Why keep 5 RBs unless you are dealing one of them?

And the Giants just cut 2 RBs, so that leaves them with Wilson and Brown who is injured?

Its starting to look fishy, don't want to see Ingram go but Robinson would do a better job. Ingram has too many issues with finding the hole; I am tired of him running into the OLs back when there is a huge cut back open in the zone.

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https://twitter.com/DConnollyNFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 7h

Giants are being **** about this...

We give up two great picks for Shockey and they want to be **** about Ingram...

Mark Ingram, Jr returning to where his Dad played?!? They'd better pay or Loomis has neaux spine...

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The Saints don't even know who this clown is, much less are they upset at him.

This is ridiculous.

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"Saints are upset for me over leaking.....
" If the Saints didn't leak it first how could you have known?

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Because there are TWO teams involved.... Sort of doubles the availability or sources.