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it is not so much Mark as the the saints stuffing him down our throats.

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I think we give Cadet the rock and let Ingram stew on it a while. When Ivory started busting through last year low and behold Ingram actually started to come alive. And I'm not buying the OL excuse, watch how he hits the holes. No authority, studder stepping like Reggie, and today really took the cake when he had that corner and stopped. Bench him and I bet he comes back around.

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Payton must have him on his fantasy team.

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I'm not sure if it is scheme, poor blocking or MI.

Bucs had 5 down linemen an 8 in the box on every ingram play. Part of the long td was an audible out of a dead run based on the Bucs key on ingram. Unless the offense does more with him he will always be compromised as a weapon.

And you all know I'm not a fan of MI. I'm especially not a fan of stupid. Stupid is more important to fix.

Btw. Props to the bucs d. They made every offensive player except Graham a subject of possible flame threads.

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The dude needs to be benched. But we still cant run no matter who has the ball.

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No Cadet is not the answer either.

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Trade him for whatever you can get. Somebody will give up a 7th rounder or a bag of footballs, something.

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Interesting note, on first and goal after Graham's 2nd td was called back Ingram was wide open and Brees threw the ball into the stands. Something is off with the offense right now, but at least we have SP back.

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To answer the OP ?, stick him on the bench and lets hope some team is dumb enough to trade for him

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Colston being the only other one besides Graham

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Trade him to the Giants ?

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What makes you think the Giants want him? They just picked up Bradshaw. I say give him away or take him out back and shoot him. NVM save the bullet, just give him away.

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Work on his blocking and leave him back there to protect the blindside. It's not like he's doing anything else.

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Deactivate him and use the spot for someone else on game day. Anybody.

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Folks, we have a winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Then why do we keep doing it? Payton had to see this going on last season yet it continues.

What I'm hoping for is that adjustments will be made next week. Have him block and if nothing is there use him as a dump off. Give him a direct snap...anything but what we have been giving him.

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Can we share the blame with the oline also ? Thomas gives you more inside,but hes no miracle worker either. And Sproles only gives results on screens and pitches to the outside . The run game hasnt been something to write home about in NO for some time now .

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P.Thomas-29 yds.
D.Sproles-26 yds.
M.Ingram-20 yds

Yea...your right. Thomas and Sproles are getting it done.

Its the o line's job to push the pile,NOT the RB.

People still "defend" Ingram because we all have a different point of veiw and you need to learn to respect that.

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We have very viable options with Kihry and Cadet.

He needs a wake up call, that proverbial slap that sends someone from hysteria to clear thought. He needs to focus.

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I really don't know what to say. I've been one who has been defending him, but I was really disappointed yesterday. I kept thinking....well Ingram is in, oh they are putting 8 or 9 in the box. Then he gets 2 yards.

I noticed that too that the long TD pass to Jimmy was after Drew checked out of an Ingram run the defense was stacking up against.

IDK anymore. It just seems like he's being used as a short yardage back and isn't getting it done. He just not doing well.

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I think so, this guy has done it every level and he can do it at the NFL level. Take advantage of having the plethora of running backs the Saints do & keep handing him the rock until he comes out of his funk ... or his contract runs out.

... Bell is doing AWESOME in Detroit! Sent Kevin Smith packing, took over Mikel Leshoure's spot in the RB hierarchy and handled all the RB duties after Reggie Bush went down vs ARI. Yeah, he's doing great! ... but with all the backfield talent NO had at the time (and still does), he was the odd man out, :).

I coveted Ingram in that draft, and wanted to see the Lions draft him so he could play close to home (and they needed a running game). Whatever Loomis saw in him to trade up for, is still there, they just gotta' apply some of that famous New Orleans voodoo & bring it out. Oh yeah, he's blowing it out his arse right now, but deep down, there's an RB in there somewhere ... the kid's got the pedigree, :).

... one or the other, in hopes he straightens up & flies right in order to increase his trade value or his value to the team ... he was a first round draft pick, you gotta' get something outta' him.

Final thought: He's gonna' go somewhere else & be successful ... just a hunch, :).

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You should probably attach the YPC to that as well. Statistically, those numbers are very misleading... and you know it.

Guess that phrase is right. Stats don't lie... people use stats to lie.

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Ingram needs to be pushed that's all, same thing as last year. We need a headbanger to push him. Robinson might do it , C. Benson would take his job.

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Give all the touches you give Ingram to Pierre Thomas !

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P.Thomas-5.9
D.Sproles-3.6
M.Ingram-2.8

P.Thomas is an exception....the dude is a beast. Your right, stats can be misleading,but aren't YPC stats also? I have no idea why you think I'm using stats to lie....I'm making a point that Ingram is not all to blame here. He may not be the back we all expected him to be, but he's not as bad as some make him out to be.He had a couple decent runs, but people act like he did absolutely nothing at all. If that's the case, lets all bash Sproles for his 3.6 YPC game. Well look at that-I used a YPC stat!

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When you have RB by committee and RBs that have versatility you should probably look at stats differently. As far as for efficiency its all about YPC.

Thomas 5.8 YPC
Sproles 3.7 YPC
Ingram 2.5 YPC

If you want to look at production per touch then you need to add receptions in there also.

Thomas 9 touches 5.3 yards per touch (48 total yards)
Sproles 13 touches 4.7 Yards per touch (62 total yards)
Ingram 8 touches 2.5 yards per touch (20 total yards)


If you want to look at total yards as you did then you should probably recognize that Ingram had more carries than either PT or Sproles and had less yards.

Thomas 5 for 29 yards
Sproles 7 for 26 yards
Ingram 8 for 20 yards

Just looking at total yards is what announcers do to make a comment more glamorous. If Ingram has 40 carries than he would have a 100 yard game... You know who gets 40 carries per game? No one. Guess who gets 30 carries per game.. No one yet this year on any team. The best running backs in the league ave 25 carries per game.

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Thomas and Sproles are used in the screen and pass game. That makes a difference. If Ingram was used that way, we may have a different player on our hands.

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Look brother, is he horrible? No

Here are my issues with ingram:

1. We is a 1st round draft pick getting out run by Undrafted Free Agents.
2. He is "supposed" to be our punch it through short down, goal line back.. He is not getting 1st downs and he is not getting TDs.

Here is a question for you, Its the NFC Championship game, Saints 9 Falcons 14 we have ball on the 3 yard line with 5 seconds left on the clock.

Is Ingram your guy?

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I agreed with the original concept of Mark Ingram and why he's here -- that it's the end of 2010 and we have NO un-injured running backs left, so you get a stout bruiser back from the SEC, that you know plays against good defenses week in and week out as a workhorse back, you bring him in to complement our other backs, extend the lifespan on Brees' arm and eventually replace PT. I get THAT, it all makes perfect sense, on paper.

But it just isn't working.

Trading up to get him, which a lot of people didn't like, but again that is sort of a Payton thing that he does -- be aggressive, take your weakest weakness and not just fix it adequately, but turn it into your biggest strength. (Drafting Morstead is in that category, as is the original pickup of Drew as well.).

But again,it's NOT working.

It gets into this other psychological thing that Sean Payton does -- he senses a problem, and then he finds somebody to be THE GUY to fix it. Hartley is an example -- we had TURRIBLE luck with kickers when Payton first got here. So he went out and found Hartley, our loveable emo headcase kicker, and now Payton sticks with him even when people are calling for his head.

So whether Payton can admit that "HIS GUY" who was supposed to solve the problem, isn't working out....whether he still believes in Ingram or not....well that's another question entirely.

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Are you saying that Sean Payton, often called one of the best play callers in the NFL has a brain fart every time it comes to Ingram?


I get that you like him and are trying but there is no silver lining. So PT is an exception in comparison.. Are all of our RBs an exception in comparison to Mark Ingram?

Mark Ingram Career: (28 games)

TDs - 10
1st downs - 59
YPC - 3.8


Chris Ivory Career: (26 games)

TDs - 8
1st Downs - 75
YPC - 4.9

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He's averaging less than 2 yards per carry this year. If he rushed the ball 4 times, we'd still be 2 yards short of a first down.

I understand our offensive line hasn't been great this year(so far), but good players can make yards out of nothing. Right now, Ingram just isn't very good. I'm not saying we should take the guy out of our rotation completely, but something has to change on the way we use him and we need to some making excuses for him when he's failing. His criticism in warranted. His ability to read and diagnosis plays since he's been here has not changed. His ability to create yards after contact has not changed. The only thing that has changed from week to week is the amount of excuses we can come up with to deflect from his performance.

And if you're going to knock Sproles for averaging 3.6 YPC, please knock Ingram as well. That said if we ran Sproles even at 3.6 YPC, we'd be moving the chains.

I hope he turns things around. I hope he turns things around here. But sometimes things just don't work out the way they're intended to... and we need to acknowledge that and stop forcing it.

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For those members that havent followed the Ingram threads the past 3 seasons. We have had at least 5 Ingram threads per season, the first season it was a 75/25 split favoring Ingram proponents. The second season it was 50/50 split. Now in the second game of the third season Ingram has about 15% in favor.

I HOPE and WANT Ingram to do very well for the Saints, however he is not, and I will hammer him until he does. I will personally start a new "Ingram did well" thread each and every time he has a good game, and congratulate him. I am being as fair as I possibly can to the situation.

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You know Oak, that point is brought up all the time when we're discussing Ingram but somehow people continue to ignore it.

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I think you mean the Giants signed that nut Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw is now a COLT.

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No, Thomas is. I agree with you on that. But if Thomas was used like Ingram is, I wouldn't be as confident.

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Bulls eye Fantasy Comments from Roto


Mark Ingram rushed eight times for 20 yards in Sunday's Week 2 win over the Bucs.

Advice: The Saints' insistence on trying to fit a square peg into a round hole is hurting them. Ingram was once again held under 3.0 YPC and this time got stuffed twice at the goal-line -- including once on a key 4th-and-goal spot. Ingram is not a receiver, so opponents know what is coming when he's in the game. He's also shown no power or elusiveness through three NFL seasons. Pierre Thomas should be getting Ingram's carries. Owners in normal-sized leagues can move on.
(Rotoworld.com)
Mark Ingram - New Orleans Saints - 2013 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

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we have no options he is here for 2014 so start using correctly and stop forcing the issue SP.

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In that case, he is a change of pace back and gives PT a break. However.. and I emphasize a huge HOWEVER, if we continue to run Ingram, leaving Cadet and K. Robinson on the bench, if PT gets injured you now have Ingram on the field and no RBs with any NFL snaps other than Sproles to take snaps. It is time to see what Cadet and K. Robinson can do in the real world, no use keeping both on a roster to ride the bench.

I do not look at Sproles as a pure RB as I do the other 4.

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Stats aside, sometimes you just have to go with what you see.

When I watch PT run, I see a guy with a low center of gravity, great balance and vision, and strong, powerful legs.

When I watch MI run, I see a guy who runs more upright than most successful backs, someone who is more easily knocked down, and someone who can't find the hole.

Regardless of whether the opposing D has 8 or 11 in the box, these traits do not change. Think the D is keying on MI? That's his fault, too, for not being a threat in the passing game.

I wanted him traded last year when Detroit was so desperate, but think any trade talk is too late now. Value is too low.

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IMHO, it's always detrimental for a team to give up multiple picks for a player. Rarely does it ever work out positively. Therein lies the main problem with Ingram, heightened expectations for which he has not lived up to.