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This.

Forcing the ball to Ingram should have cost us this game. If we continue to give the worst rusher the biggest percentage of carries we're going to lose games we should win.

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I would be all in for a true 3-down power back, I like Ingram but this system is bad for him. I want to take the pressure off of Brees and on to the opposing D, a power back will do just that.

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That goal line stuff has to have some negative repercussions for Ingram. It looked like Brees talked Payton into going for it, so someone will have to fall on the sword. When I saw that Ingram was the deep back, I started hoping for a pass play!

I haven't seen Ingram do any great things as an "inside runner", Thomas, and even Sproles, runs better between the tackles than Ingram does. It's not the line's fault; Thomas runs behind the same line. Ingram's the only back (Saints) over the last couple of years that has a consistent sub-four yards per carry. I don't know, it is definitely frustrating to watch him. For the money, he should be a lot more productive. I can see Sproles starting to maybe tail off this year as he's getting up in age for a RB. Hopefully Cadet or Robinson can get some work in. I know people are worried about those two holding on to the ball, but they can't do any worse than Ingram. Based on pre-season efforts, Robinson at least deserves some touches that Ingram might otherwise get.

You know, I would like to see Pierre get 250+ carries this season. He's tougher'n a boot. That would fix any running game issues IMO.

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There was some INTENSE body language between Brees and Payton, as Brees came off the field after that stuff of Ingram on fourth down. It looked like Payton was giving the death scowl to Brees, and Brees kinda bobbed his head and gave a shrug back out to the field, as if to say "wasn't me." It really stood out.

You have to wonder how many times they are going to keep on doing this before the "insanity definition" kicks in.... Ingram stuffed on the goal line against the Packers with the game on the line in his first game. Ingram stuffed on 4th down at midfield against the Falcons last week. Ingram stuffed on 4th down against the Bucs, again with the game on the line.

And then so many of us have the memory of 4th and 1 in overtime in the NFC Championship game, they give it to Pierre, and he makes it across the line by tremendous, unstoppable, second effort, force of will, and pure heart. I dunno.

* shrugs *

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Thats a lot of stuffing..

Turdingram?

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Ingram would be a good fit in Buffalo, Miami, or Denver. Buffalo being the best fit.

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On how many carries? How bout ypc? Thats what tells the real story. If you dont like someone disagreeing with your opinion dont post it.

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I don't know about Buffalo; Spiller's young and Fred Jackson may have some tread left. Ingram would be third string there at best. I do agree withe Denver, however. The Broncos have always been able to make good backs out of guys that weren't so successful elsewhere.

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I feel somewhat 'naked' not having posted something about Ingram yet and everyone has just about covered every angle!

I've been one of those who has defended him. I've bowed to the lack of consistent carries he is given and offered up many other reasons, that now I feel are excuses. Last night I finally cracked. I was shouting and swearing at my telly.

I literally have no idea why we ride him. Every time he is in play we use him on a run. It's predictable. You could argue that predictability actually opens up the play action and when Brees changed the play, we actually hit a wide open Jimmy Graham but that simply isn't good enough.

I have no idea how people are using any of his statistics to defend his play. He has been awful through 8 quarters of football this season, and I mean 'draft bust' awful. He doesn't appear to be able to run forward which is incredibly frustrating. I feel he could drop the ball at any moment. I have no confidence he can get us those extra couple of yards we need like Ivory used to last season.

So what do we do? In reality, I am not convinced that a weak trade solves anything. He is a healthy player with pedigree who, I agree, is showing nothing. I would definitely rather have him on the roster than give him away. That being said, I would now like to see Khiry Robinson getting touches and being lit up for game day. If that means Ingram goes inactive, then fine, but he needs to be getting touches and showing what he can do.

I'm so disappointed with Ingram, it is untrue. It's gone beyond benefit of the doubt. Just study the tape so far. There is literally nothing positive to take from this.

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The way Ingram was stopped on that run looked "off." He's stocky but he reminds me of Reggie in that he has no leg drive. PT and Sproles may not have made it either, but it wold have looked different. In the replays it looked like Ingram made his cut, hit a defender and just plain stopped pushing. He should have at leat went nose first.

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I hate being the guy watching on TV who says this kind of thing, but it seemed to me if he had kept going to the outside (left) towards the pylon, there was plenty of green and a pretty good chance that he could have gotten closer out there, close enough to break the plane or at least have a SHOT at getting an armful of ball into the end zone, when he made contact with whoever would have come up to meet him there on defense. Instead he pivots and cuts directly INTO the opponent a couple yards in front of him, and smacks right into the guy, thus instantly getting stood up, pushed, and comes nowhere close to sniffing the goal line. He wouldn't need to be a speed burner a la Reggie running to the pylon, but he had more ROOM to go forward, out there.

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Keep using him, just not when it truly matters. When the play needs a clutch player, use PT.....no question.

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Its hard to do something with a RB who has no power, speed, vision, elusiveness or trade value. Put him on the bench and keep as worst case scenario insurance. Release after the season.

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Our most viable option is Pierre Thomas. Why is he riding the bench when he is head and shoulders the best RB on the team? He came in yesterday and made some positive plays then got pulled in favor of Ingram again. How is it possible that Payton doesn't see this?

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I've been on the GET RID OF INGRAM train .I was on it last year. I'm all in on the Thomas Train .Thomas gives us the Element of not knowing whats coming. When Thomas is in the game the play action is deadly.
Ingram Needs to be Benched He just Isn't our guy

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Is Cedric Benson in shape?

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Somehow Ingram and the Saints chemistry is just not right...

PT is good for 8-12 touches a game (8 against San Fran type, 12 against Dallas type)...

Sproles is best used for 6-10 touches a game; it's like in Baseball, coming back with the heater after two offspeed pitches; but if you give 'em the heater all the time; they'll figure it out...

Ingram should be a 12-15 touches a game all-around back; but it seems like the mental speed of the NFL game overmatches him; he's not in sync and seems to be thinking too much in stead of his game getting to a reacting, reflex style of running...

I don't know if the Saints coaches trust Cadet, Robinson yet...

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Ok. But in the NFL the only plays that don't matter are those that happen in the final seconds of games when you are leading by two scores are more.

Some past posts claimed he was not effective because he wasone-dimensional. It appears that he is now non-dimenstional. In short, Ingram is a waste.

My question is who is protecting him. Is it Benson, Loomis or Payton. Anybody but one of these three and he will be gone after this week's game.

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If he is he could boster our run game!!

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Mark Ingram is to our offence what Sedrick Ellis was to our defence; a wasted pick. Someone who came from a big-time program with good college credentials and shows flashes of promise and potential but can't produce on a consistent basis to save his life.

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We all agree PT is probably a top 10 RB talent wise in the league. But if we give him 10-20 more touches per game he won't last 12 weeks. We absolutely need another RB to take about 15 touches per game from PT/Sproles.

More and more its looking like Ingram just isn't the right fit. I don't know why its not working for him yet, but it doesn't matter, its just not working.

Whats changed from the last nine games of 2012 when he averaged 4.3 YPC (109/468)? He came into 2013 in the best shape of his career, a bit slimmer and was noticably faster and quicker.

Kromer perhaps? Did he really make that big of a difference in Ingram?

I don't know but somethings gotta change.

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payton still trying to prove his pick isn't a dud. system fail, reboot with kirhy rob. ingram did not run hard at all in goal line hand offs, he continues to give all his efforts to be back in college with ala. i'm sick of this garbage of rb. sorry i've always given him benifit. it stops here.

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Nonsense. He's running hard and giving it his all. Some have suggested he's trying too hard.

And I'm fairly certain he has no plans to go back to college.

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For everyone who says Thomas won't last if given more work How do you know that the guy has never been given a chance to touch the ball more than 20 times except twice in all the time he has been here. I think that's the main problem with our running attack we have guys that are situational and the defenses have seen enough tape they know whats going to happen before it happens or at least have a real good idea whats about to go down

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Open your Eyes Man And Stop Defending the guy. He runs like he is Dragging a Anchor behind him. He is a Back up at best
I hate to be so harsh on the guy but it is what it is

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He's wound me right up but I don't doubt he is giving it his all. He doesn't look lazy, just not very good. I don't think we are questioning his mentality, just his out and out ability. I have no doubt he wants to be better. You can see he is frustrated and down. I admire that he cares. He just isn't good enough. End of.

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So you think he isn't trying hard and he's trying to go back to college huh?

Wow, wake up dude, your hate is suffocating your IQ.

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The coaches are probably still remembering 2010 when he missed 10 games due to injury and we were left with street scubs for the playoffs.

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I dont question the guys work ethic, but no matter what the reasons are he is not flourishing here. I dont see any improvement, if anything he has regressed. Its time to move on. I dont care what we do with him as long as come gameday hes not on the field. Maybe if we are up by 4 scores it would be fun to put him in and run the hell out of him and see what happens. Doing it during close games is not the time.

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Sounds like he should be playing for Mike Smith!

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Hey I'm awake and I see clearly with my eyes weather he's trying hard or not I don't care all I care about is the Bottom line and the bottom line is he isn't getting it done. I don't see how you can Justify defending him though

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I'll defend any and all saints players against false assertions.

And it appears you haven't read any of what I've had to say about Mark Ingram lately.

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well Ingram sucks that is no false assertion

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And you're acting like a 14 year old, which is no false assertion.

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sorry danno, been on his/your side long enough. he just runs too light dude.
he can't and will never carry a pile like p.t. jmo.

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That doesn't mean he's not trying, which is what I disagreed with.

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its not like like rooting for the guy to be bad he just is.i'm not acting like a 14yr old I just take the black and gold spectacle's off from time to time and call it like I see it sometimes those spec's cloud judgment but under your Danno it says Truth Addict also

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wait a second danno. if your on the anti saints bashing team, i'm on it also. i'm giving my damned truthful opinion like you have for years, theres no bashing my team dude not from st. thomas. if someone wants to give their truthful op. and gets bombed for it; maybe i'm at the wrong site. 40 plus years fan.

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Your opinion is welcome. If its your truthful opinion Ingram isn't trying then its my opinion that thats nonsense. Works both ways.

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And claiming Ingram isn't even trying and is trying to go back to college is nonsense. Thats the truth as I see it.