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I believe that it wasn't enough is because he sat on the bench once he got it jumpstarted.
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Pierre Thomas ~ Most Underrated Running Back in the NFL Darren Sproles ~ Got better when he came to New Orleans Chris Ivory ~ Never averaged less than 4.7 YPC Deuce McAllister ~ The Deuce.. Enough Said Reggie Bush ~ Was not a bust... no more than he was in Miami, and I dont recall anyone calling him a bust. Reggie was let go because of the same reason we let Chris Ivory go.. Couldn't stay healthy. Reggie Bush had his most productive seasons rushing and receiving as a Saint. He had ONE season where he played more than 15 games for New Orleans. Reggie Bush scored more TD's per year as a Saint than a Dolphin. Reggie Bush: Career Stats at NFL.com And Reggie bush was a hell of a lot more productive than Mark Ingram... You are way off base. And the number of Heisman Trophy RBs we have destroyed is 3... You may as well tack on Rickey Williams. The correct synopsis would be that Heisman Trophy winning Running Backs do not pan out in the NFL with high powered passing offenses... Or you could say that the NCAA has not produced a Heisman Trophy winning RB worth two ****z in the last 24 years...Period Here are all of your last HT Winning RB for the last 20 years Mark Ingram Reggie Bush Ron Dayne Rickey Williams You have to go back 25+ years to find a Heisman Trophy winning RB that did something in the NFL Barry Sanders 1988 Bo Jackson 1985 |
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"We" don't do anything.
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better get out the way, Oak and his facts are back. Can't wait to see who tries to disprove these
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Give him away for a rd 5. He is trash. I would trade him to the Russian league and have his citizanship revoked.
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You folks are brutal. PT wouldn't have made it in on that play either. Why not start with having the O-Line block someone? :confused:
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Here is Chris Ivory with 4... Getting it done... Notice the lack of Saints linemen? He drug the pile. http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...MNwQ_gRh9l.jpg Oh! here is Chris agsin.. See all the Seahawks? See the Ivory? http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seaha...ry-480x319.jpg I forgot how much I loved watching Ivory run Watch it ALL.. Most of it is speed, vision, and dragging piles. Ingram does not have the speed to bounce it outside. A direct comparison Ivory first 1/2 Ingram second 1/2.. Ingram is not as fast, elusive, explosive, doesnt have the vision, doesn't drag the pile as well, and doesnt hit the hole as hard.. Same offensive line, same season Sunday night against Tampa Bay PT gets 5 touches and gets 29 yards, Ingram gets 8 touches and gets 20 yards.. Same Offensive line, same field... Now.. What are the possible issues with his speed and strength? Since August of 2010 Ingram has had three surgeries. Two knee scopes and a turf toe... This is his first healthy season since coming into the NFL and he is not doing much with it. |
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Hmm well can't argue against those facts, or can you?
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Breaking News: Ivory was not injured in week 2. Stay tuned.
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A good running back can move a pile, make a play where there is no play, and at the very least beat his one on one. Ingram cant even do that. OF all the backs we have Ingram is supposed to be the one who can bust through the line when there is nothing. Thats the type of back he is supposed to be, and that is why he was drafted. It doesnt matter to me whose fault it is anymore. He is just not getting it done period. No point in keeping a player who can't do his job on the field when there is someone else that may be able to. |
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Back to topic at hand, I never really cared for Ingram (any Alabama running back for that matter) when he came out because Alabama had 5 4-5 star recruits blocking for him. If you remember the Cowboys with Emmitt Smith in the early 90s its basically the same thing. I'm an U of Houston alum so I don't care about LSU or the SEC so anything else? |
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They are infinitely better than they used to be. And the only thing I don't like about the article is his failure to mention PT's durability. With that said, Khiry Robinson is the guy who most closely resembles PT in size and skill set. I hope we see more of him this year. |
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I "may" have found the answer.. Surprised the author didn't dig just a little deeper.
Ingram's Left Foot buckeling http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/ar...650&h=433&q=85 Left foot Turf Toe/ Sprain Posted Dec. 18, 2011 The Saints have placed Ingram on injured reserve, ending his season. Ingram, who won the 2009 Heisman Trophy at Alabama, missed New Orleans' last four games because of a sprained toe on his left foot. Coach Sean Payton says the injury got worse during practice last week and basically ensured he wouldn't be able to catch up in time to contribute this season. Ingram carried 122 times for 474 yards and five touchdowns this season. His longest run was a 35-yard touchdown against the New York Giants on Nov. 28. ProFootballWeekly.com - Mark Ingram Reports: Saints RB Ingram to miss postseason Posted Jan. 01, 2012 @ 3:09 p.m. ET The Saints will be without rookie RB Mark Ingram for the playoffs. The first-round pick will have season-ending surgery on his toe this week. Turf Toe Significant disability can occur with damage to structures of the 1st MTP joint complex. Of all individuals with turf toe, 50% will have persistent symptoms after 5 years. Possible long term effects include failure to regain push-off strength, hallux rigidus, hallux valgus, hallux cock-up deformity, arthrofibrosis, and loose joint bodies. Turf Toe: Symptoms, Treatment, Prevention - Greensboro, NC - Sports Injuries hallux rigidus ~ Degenerative arthritis and stiffness due to bone spurs that affects the MTP joint at the base of the hallux (big toe) is called hallux rigidus or stiff big toe. hallux valgus ~ Bunion Arthrofibrosis ~ of the toe is a surgical complication that can limit range of motion, inhibit muscle activity, and decrease patient function. |
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He'd be less worthless on IR, because someone with the football would actually be advancing it.
Injury Prone. Dump him at first opportunity. In the meantime, have him hold a clipboard. Or, our "emotional attachment" to this penny stock will lead to ruin. Alaska |
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Sit him down and make his watch Walter Payton highlights. Actually watch Walter Payton non highlights.
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Just wondering, what is the financial implication if we cut him now?
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We have $292k in cap space left... No one else is getting cut, replaced or picked up...
For the Breescontractwhiners... What is killing us is $14.1M worth of cap space sitting in IR. With 12.3M of that being tied up in Smith/Vilma. At this stage of the game/season I can see both getting cut off of IR because their Dead Money is only $10.5M which would give us back $1.8M in Cap Space. |
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Oak, You just may be on to something. Wednesday Injury Report Did Not Practice G Jahri Evans (Hamstring) DT Brodrick Bunkley (Calf) RB Mark Ingram (Toe) DE Tom Johnson (Hamstring) S Roman Harper (Knee) S Isa Abdul Quddus (Ankle) LDE Glenn Foster (Ankle) Limited DE Tyrunn Walker (Knee) Full OLB Martez Wilson (Elbow) WR Marques Colston (Foot) OLB Junior Galette (Hamstring) T Zach Strief (Neck) DT Akiem Hicks (Knee) LB Curtis Lofton (Knee) CB Jabari Greer (Back) |
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I hope I'm wrong. From what I read on persistent turf toe requiring surgery and having issues over a year later..... It's bad for his career, and since that has to be divulged before a trade we may know why the Giants or Steelers trades never happened.
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I guess the questions would be for me when did he hurt it, training camp? practice? game? and if it is that bad why is he still being put in the game? His production has been real bad, why now are we getting info on this? Being hurt is one thing being put in the game knowing that a player is hurt is another!! Or is this a smokescreen?
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I know exactly what was said you said you said I was crazy and gave me this big long capology 101 if you remember
Its in this thread If Rob Ryan fails to fix the Defense Who's Next DC? |
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What I said previously was that taking the dead money hit would not save us any money against the cap because of the cost to replace with equal talent not on our roster. You see that $1.8M in cap space... Run out and find me a starting DL and LB for that. That conversation was before we knew what a good many on our defense could do along with Brown. When you chose to call me out, have your ducks in a row. I generally chose my words very carefully, unless its profanity then it's what's ready available. So, no Farva. You don't. |
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I'm not calling anyone out just saying what you guys told me back when I suggested cutting them during camp. I just don't see why its ok to cut them know when it wasn't back then when we could have found some replacements for them
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You just explained to your self why it wasn't feasible.... At that time there were a lot of unknowns and we thought we would have to find replacements.
A lot changes in regards to who can do what with confidence, and what the cap looks like in the two weeks leading up to week 1 and the week after. Also, they both were serviceable at that time. Neither are now. A lot changes quickly in the NFL in a short period of time. Do you mean everyone and their sister? Or was she a step-sister? My brothers sister is my sister but my step-sister is not my brothers sister. Be clear, it matters! :) |
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