Between a Rock and a Hard Place ...

homerj07 · 09-16-2013, 09:26 PM

Sorry no question that Drew's contract has affect in later plans. No matter how much restructuring or whatever. You pay one player that much money & it's gonna hurt some where.

Next Kromer. He was the man. We are hurting without him. I figured there would be some blowback. But - the line just blows!!

TheOak · 09-17-2013, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by homerj07

Sorry no question that Drew's contract has affect in later plans. No matter how much restructuring or whatever. You pay one player that much money & it's gonna hurt some where.

Next Kromer. He was the man. We are hurting without him. I figured there would be some blowback. But - the line just blows!!

"Later plans" in the NFl are just that... "Later Plans"... No one today knows what this team will look like when the salary cap deadline of 2014 arrives on the calendar. No one...

Kromer was the man but his leaving had absolutely zero to do with Drew Brees or any player and had nothing to do with the Saints organization. Kromers move was career progression and Chicago had a spot for him just like Sean Payton coming here. Its business...

The catch is that Drew hasn't "been paid" that yet and never will. His contract was built to be restructured for cap space with the bulk of the annual cap hit being in salary and not bonus distribution. Drew can drop his salary to $7M a year and his cap hit never goes over 14.4M/year.

Right now Drew Brees Salary doesn't even make the Top 14 in the league
2013 NFL Top Base Salaries

And his Cap His doesnt break the top 3, in 2014 he goes down on the list and the 2015 number will never happen unless we have our second Super Bowl win and then it just shuts up all the "Drews contract buried out team BS".
2013 NFL Top Cap Hit Salaries

This is the first year that Drews contract escalates against the cap and that is all salary escalation. Are we worse off for it? Not by any means, flip back through the annuals of time here at B&G and you will see that Brown is doing as good if not slightly better than Bushrod did.

Look at it as a car lease, you drove off the lot with a $90k car but you will never pay that. You are going to pay about $$8k a year for three years then turn it in or renegotiate the buying price.

Would you like to know what puzzles the crap out of me? The same people that want to raise holy hell about Drew's contract are not willing to let it play out as it was designed to do... They jump to conclusions, and play the blame game for something that hasn't happened yet. Then they profess to take the "wait and see" approach on our defense that is presently kicking ass. These people live on the drama filled negative side of the battery. I am no ray of proverbial sunshine but I stand firm in the middle.

lee909 · 09-17-2013, 08:00 AM

Drew Cap goes up to 18ml next but something will have to be done after that as 2015/16 its $26.4/27.4ml

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TheOak · 09-17-2013, 08:39 AM

I am about to do a cap thread, Drew's cap increase is incremental next year by 1M but we have bigger fish to fry.

Drew will restructure next year.

RaginCajun83 · 09-17-2013, 08:55 AM

Some people just don't appreciate greatness until its gone I guess, finally the Saints land a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback and some want to tear him down every chance they get. Here's a great idea lets cut Drew so we can save money and bring back some scabs with the talent of the Billy Joe's or Aaron Brooks. Back when someone told me "to make money, you got to SPEND money", no difference here. When you have one of the best quarterbacks in the league, expenses come with that. Besides Bushrod will not be missed this season, any lineman that needs a chip block on damn near every play can easily be replaced

The Dude · 09-17-2013, 09:02 AM

I said it for years. As pass happy as we have been has taken a toll on Brees arm. Nothing we could have done about it but concentrate on the ground game which we did, but not as well as we needed to.
Hes getting old but he is still a top 5 qb. Payton just needs to adjust to the situation. Our line is more of a factor I think. Losing Kromer was huge.

SaintsBro · 09-17-2013, 09:04 AM

I've given up trying to understand it! It's like people have this pre-written doom and gloom narrative about the contract in their heads, and THEN they watch the games looking for it. Every little thing that fits the narrative, gets amped up and blown out of proportion by them.....Every thing that doesn't fit that narrative, gets IGNORED, including 2-0 and Drew's amazing, 32nd career come-from-behind-4th-quarter drive. That's the 15th time he has done this for them in the 4th quarter, as a Saint, and STILL people are not happy with him!

Homer07 just proved it...show him facts and cap evidence to the contrary and it's "nope, sorry" and he repeats the same line about the contract as before.

The fact of the matter is that I've concluded this fan base is extremely SPOILED. I could not believe that drive at that end of the game. After it was over I had to leave the room, I was walking up and down, pacing around the house, I couldn't sit still -- I couldn't believe what I had seen. People in my family called me and texted me on the phone, the second the kick went through, to share the moment....

I thought I would log on here in this forum on Monday morning and see people raving, out of their minds about how beautiful a thing that drive was.... I looked around and it seems like almost NOBODY here talked about it, at all -- all they do is b-tch and moan about the contract, and Brees underthrowing, this and that, nitpicking and grumbling.

I cannot believe that people are kvetching and *****ing about Brees, and not appreciating what happened in the last 1:06 of that game. To do that with no time outs and no sidelines? If you're not completely pumped up and ready to chug the Drew Brees Nyquil after that drive, if you think that was ho-hum football, then something is not right with your head. That game was basically a lower scoring version of the ugly awful 49ers playoff game, except THIS TIME WE WON.

Jack Vegas · 09-18-2013, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I've given up trying to understand it! It's like people have this pre-written doom and gloom narrative about the contract in their heads, and THEN they watch the games looking for it. Every little thing that fits the narrative, gets amped up and blown out of proportion by them.....Every thing that doesn't fit that narrative, gets IGNORED, including 2-0 and Drew's amazing, 32nd career come-from-behind-4th-quarter drive. That's the 15th time he has done this for them in the 4th quarter, as a Saint, and STILL people are not happy with him!

Homer07 just proved it...show him facts and cap evidence to the contrary and it's "nope, sorry" and he repeats the same line about the contract as before.

The fact of the matter is that I've concluded this fan base is extremely SPOILED. I could not believe that drive at that end of the game. After it was over I had to leave the room, I was walking up and down, pacing around the house, I couldn't sit still -- I couldn't believe what I had seen. People in my family called me and texted me on the phone, the second the kick went through, to share the moment....

I thought I would log on here in this forum on Monday morning and see people raving, out of their minds about how beautiful a thing that drive was.... I looked around and it seems like almost NOBODY here talked about it, at all -- all they do is b-tch and moan about the contract, and Brees underthrowing, this and that, nitpicking and grumbling.

I cannot believe that people are kvetching and *****ing about Brees, and not appreciating what happened in the last 1:06 of that game. To do that with no time outs and no sidelines? If you're not completely pumped up and ready to chug the Drew Brees Nyquil after that drive, if you think that was ho-hum football, then something is not right with your head. That game was basically a lower scoring version of the ugly awful 49ers playoff game, except THIS TIME WE WON.

I am with you 100%, the doom and gloom about Brees is baffling to me. Maybe 2013 Brees isn't quite as good as 2011 Brees or 2009 Brees, but he's still one of the very elite QBs in the league. This is all going to come together at some point, just got to be patient.

NOS2SB · 09-17-2013, 09:14 AM

I'm not sure what's wrong with him, but he's going on the bench this week and I'm starting Mike Vick. I would have never made this move in the past.

RaginCajun83 · 09-17-2013, 02:14 PM

So from what you are saying, the Saints offensive line should pick up a ZBS in like 5 minutes or maybe half a practice?

09-16-2013, 09:26 PM	#1
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: Between a Rock and a Hard Place ... Sorry no question that Drew's contract has affect in later plans. No matter how much restructuring or whatever. You pay one player that much money & it's gonna hurt some where. Next Kromer. He was the man. We are hurting without him. I figured there would be some blowback. But - the line just blows!!

09-17-2013, 07:25 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,058	Re: Between a Rock and a Hard Place ... Originally Posted by homerj07 Sorry no question that Drew's contract has affect in later plans. No matter how much restructuring or whatever. You pay one player that much money & it's gonna hurt some where. Next Kromer. He was the man. We are hurting without him. I figured there would be some blowback. But - the line just blows!! "Later plans" in the NFl are just that... "Later Plans"... No one today knows what this team will look like when the salary cap deadline of 2014 arrives on the calendar. No one... Kromer was the man but his leaving had absolutely zero to do with Drew Brees or any player and had nothing to do with the Saints organization. Kromers move was career progression and Chicago had a spot for him just like Sean Payton coming here. Its business... The catch is that Drew hasn't "been paid" that yet and never will. His contract was built to be restructured for cap space with the bulk of the annual cap hit being in salary and not bonus distribution. Drew can drop his salary to $7M a year and his cap hit never goes over 14.4M/year. Right now Drew Brees Salary doesn't even make the Top 14 in the league 2013 NFL Top Base Salaries And his Cap His doesnt break the top 3, in 2014 he goes down on the list and the 2015 number will never happen unless we have our second Super Bowl win and then it just shuts up all the "Drews contract buried out team BS". 2013 NFL Top Cap Hit Salaries This is the first year that Drews contract escalates against the cap and that is all salary escalation. Are we worse off for it? Not by any means, flip back through the annuals of time here at B&G and you will see that Brown is doing as good if not slightly better than Bushrod did. Look at it as a car lease, you drove off the lot with a $90k car but you will never pay that. You are going to pay about $$8k a year for three years then turn it in or renegotiate the buying price. Would you like to know what puzzles the crap out of me? The same people that want to raise holy hell about Drew's contract are not willing to let it play out as it was designed to do... They jump to conclusions, and play the blame game for something that hasn't happened yet. Then they profess to take the "wait and see" approach on our defense that is presently kicking ass. These people live on the drama filled negative side of the battery. I am no ray of proverbial sunshine but I stand firm in the middle.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

09-17-2013, 08:00 AM	#3
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Between a Rock and a Hard Place ... Drew Cap goes up to 18ml next but something will have to be done after that as 2015/16 its $26.4/27.4ml Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

09-17-2013, 08:39 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,058	Re: Between a Rock and a Hard Place ... I am about to do a cap thread, Drew's cap increase is incremental next year by 1M but we have bigger fish to fry. Drew will restructure next year.

09-17-2013, 08:55 AM	#5
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Between a Rock and a Hard Place ... Some people just don't appreciate greatness until its gone I guess, finally the Saints land a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback and some want to tear him down every chance they get. Here's a great idea lets cut Drew so we can save money and bring back some scabs with the talent of the Billy Joe's or Aaron Brooks. Back when someone told me "to make money, you got to SPEND money", no difference here. When you have one of the best quarterbacks in the league, expenses come with that. Besides Bushrod will not be missed this season, any lineman that needs a chip block on damn near every play can easily be replaced

09-17-2013, 09:02 AM	#6
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,066	Re: Between a Rock and a Hard Place ... I said it for years. As pass happy as we have been has taken a toll on Brees arm. Nothing we could have done about it but concentrate on the ground game which we did, but not as well as we needed to. Hes getting old but he is still a top 5 qb. Payton just needs to adjust to the situation. Our line is more of a factor I think. Losing Kromer was huge.
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09-17-2013, 09:04 AM	#7
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Between a Rock and a Hard Place ... I've given up trying to understand it! It's like people have this pre-written doom and gloom narrative about the contract in their heads, and THEN they watch the games looking for it. Every little thing that fits the narrative, gets amped up and blown out of proportion by them.....Every thing that doesn't fit that narrative, gets IGNORED, including 2-0 and Drew's amazing, 32nd career come-from-behind-4th-quarter drive. That's the 15th time he has done this for them in the 4th quarter, as a Saint, and STILL people are not happy with him! Homer07 just proved it...show him facts and cap evidence to the contrary and it's "nope, sorry" and he repeats the same line about the contract as before. The fact of the matter is that I've concluded this fan base is extremely SPOILED. I could not believe that drive at that end of the game. After it was over I had to leave the room, I was walking up and down, pacing around the house, I couldn't sit still -- I couldn't believe what I had seen. People in my family called me and texted me on the phone, the second the kick went through, to share the moment.... I thought I would log on here in this forum on Monday morning and see people raving, out of their minds about how beautiful a thing that drive was.... I looked around and it seems like almost NOBODY here talked about it, at all -- all they do is b-tch and moan about the contract, and Brees underthrowing, this and that, nitpicking and grumbling. I cannot believe that people are kvetching and *****ing about Brees, and not appreciating what happened in the last 1:06 of that game. To do that with no time outs and no sidelines? If you're not completely pumped up and ready to chug the Drew Brees Nyquil after that drive, if you think that was ho-hum football, then something is not right with your head. That game was basically a lower scoring version of the ugly awful 49ers playoff game, except THIS TIME WE WON. jnormand, Budsdrinker, RaginCajun83 and 2 others like this.

09-18-2013, 04:19 AM	#8
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Between a Rock and a Hard Place ... Originally Posted by SaintsBro I've given up trying to understand it! It's like people have this pre-written doom and gloom narrative about the contract in their heads, and THEN they watch the games looking for it. Every little thing that fits the narrative, gets amped up and blown out of proportion by them.....Every thing that doesn't fit that narrative, gets IGNORED, including 2-0 and Drew's amazing, 32nd career come-from-behind-4th-quarter drive. That's the 15th time he has done this for them in the 4th quarter, as a Saint, and STILL people are not happy with him! Homer07 just proved it...show him facts and cap evidence to the contrary and it's "nope, sorry" and he repeats the same line about the contract as before. The fact of the matter is that I've concluded this fan base is extremely SPOILED. I could not believe that drive at that end of the game. After it was over I had to leave the room, I was walking up and down, pacing around the house, I couldn't sit still -- I couldn't believe what I had seen. People in my family called me and texted me on the phone, the second the kick went through, to share the moment.... I thought I would log on here in this forum on Monday morning and see people raving, out of their minds about how beautiful a thing that drive was.... I looked around and it seems like almost NOBODY here talked about it, at all -- all they do is b-tch and moan about the contract, and Brees underthrowing, this and that, nitpicking and grumbling. I cannot believe that people are kvetching and *****ing about Brees, and not appreciating what happened in the last 1:06 of that game. To do that with no time outs and no sidelines? If you're not completely pumped up and ready to chug the Drew Brees Nyquil after that drive, if you think that was ho-hum football, then something is not right with your head. That game was basically a lower scoring version of the ugly awful 49ers playoff game, except THIS TIME WE WON. I am with you 100%, the doom and gloom about Brees is baffling to me. Maybe 2013 Brees isn't quite as good as 2011 Brees or 2009 Brees, but he's still one of the very elite QBs in the league. This is all going to come together at some point, just got to be patient. saintsfan403 likes this.
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09-17-2013, 09:14 AM	#9
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09-17-2013, 02:14 PM	#10
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Between a Rock and a Hard Place ... So from what you are saying, the Saints offensive line should pick up a ZBS in like 5 minutes or maybe half a practice?

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