AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it

blackangold · 10-01-2013, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by xan

Those arguing that MI would have done worse than KR would have to have both playing in the same game running the same play in the same circumstances to even have a hope of arguing intellectual honesty in their assertion.

Just admit you're an irrational hater and stop the pretense that your conclusion is based on fact.

your right...

By your logic I couldn't compare Adrian Peterson to Mark Ingram because the circumstances are completely different. Hell, with that logic we shouldn't compare anyone ever until they have the same players and coaches surrounding them huh?

But wait, don't Ingram and Robinson have the same coaching staff and same O-lines? Seems pretty valid to compare the two to me. Every one knew Robinson was getting the ball every time he did, yet he averages 4.7 YPC while Ingram averages 1.7YPC.... logic 2 tuff

However I will say the Offensive line is awful at run blocking. We could have Peterson but instead of being a 2000 yard RB he would only be a 1000 yard RB behind that line. Until I see the running game improve this team is no better than the 2010 saints.

rezburna · 10-01-2013, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

your right...

By your logic I couldn't compare Adrian Peterson to Mark Ingram because the circumstances are completely different. Hell, with that logic we shouldn't compare anyone ever until they have the same players and coaches surrounding them huh?

But wait, don't Ingram and Robinson have the same coaching staff and same O-lines? Seems pretty valid to compare the two to me. Every one knew Robinson was getting the ball every time he did, yet he averages 4.7 YPC while Ingram averages 1.7YPC.... logic 2 tuff

However I will say the Offensive line is awful at run blocking. We could have Peterson but instead of being a 2000 yard RB he would only be a 1000 yard RB behind that line. Until I see the running game improve this team is no better than the 2010 saints.

2010 Saints had no defense....Packers had no running game when they won it all.....you don't have to run to win. You have to score and play defense. We do that. And we run well in the 4th quarter of every game.

blackangold · 10-01-2013, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

2010 Saints had no defense....Packers had no running game when they won it all.....you don't have to run to win. You have to score and play defense. We do that. And we run well in the 4th quarter of every game.

2010 saints had the 4th ranked D....FORTH RANKED D... sound familiar?

This team is exactly like the 2010 team until they get a running game going.

New Orleans Saints 2010 Season Defensive Statistics | www.NOSaintsHistory.com

rezburna · 10-01-2013, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

2010 saints had the 4th ranked D....FORTH RANKED D... sound familiar?

This team is exactly like the 2010 team until they get a running game going.

New Orleans Saints 2010 Season Defensive Statistics | www.NOSaintsHistory.com

NFL Stats: by Team Category

No we didn't. And I suppose you don't remember Marshawn Lynch.

Rugby Saint II · 10-01-2013, 12:51 PM

Our line looks nothing like the '09 line. Not the same personnel or execution.

WHODATINCA · 10-01-2013, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Our line looks nothing like the '09 line. Not the same personnel or execution.

And, it shows. In 2009, we had 4.5 rushing Y/A. This year's team is at 3.4. Whether it is the O-Line or the personnel, that number needs to improve. Otherwise, we are predictable and that means our quarterback wears a target.

ScottF · 10-01-2013, 01:02 PM

Lot to consider-
-new receivers might be taking a split second longer to get open- Toon, --Stills, and new Meachem are not Moore, Henderson and old Meachem
-to me it seems Brees is holding the ball more than in years past
-zero run game equals more blitzes and pressure
-who knows if Evans is 100%?

TheOak · 10-01-2013, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Lot to consider-
-new receivers might be taking a split second longer to get open- Toon, --Stills, and new Meachem are not Moore, Henderson and old Meachem
-to me it seems Brees is holding the ball more than in years past
-zero run game equals more blitzes and pressure
-who knows if Evans is 100%?

I "think" our screen threat which is a huge threat keeps defenses honest.

3-20 to Sproles ring a bell?
PTs 25 yard screen that was called back? (because graham was holding 23 yards down field)

Barry from MS · 10-01-2013, 01:06 PM

After a 4 game sample size, we can certainly assess that the O-line is the top weakness of this 2013 team. I have seen improvement since Game 1 in pass protection and especially the 2nd half of last night's game, but the run blocking cannot function this way for the long haul.

TheOak · 10-01-2013, 01:24 PM

It seems that our present formula is throw until their defense is broken both mentally and physically, then grind out the 4th qtr on the ground.

So far... 100% success in 2 games.

10-01-2013, 05:14 PM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by xan Those arguing that MI would have done worse than KR would have to have both playing in the same game running the same play in the same circumstances to even have a hope of arguing intellectual honesty in their assertion. Just admit you're an irrational hater and stop the pretense that your conclusion is based on fact. your right... By your logic I couldn't compare Adrian Peterson to Mark Ingram because the circumstances are completely different. Hell, with that logic we shouldn't compare anyone ever until they have the same players and coaches surrounding them huh? But wait, don't Ingram and Robinson have the same coaching staff and same O-lines? Seems pretty valid to compare the two to me. Every one knew Robinson was getting the ball every time he did, yet he averages 4.7 YPC while Ingram averages 1.7YPC.... logic 2 tuff However I will say the Offensive line is awful at run blocking. We could have Peterson but instead of being a 2000 yard RB he would only be a 1000 yard RB behind that line. Until I see the running game improve this team is no better than the 2010 saints.

10-01-2013, 05:23 PM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by blackangold your right... By your logic I couldn't compare Adrian Peterson to Mark Ingram because the circumstances are completely different. Hell, with that logic we shouldn't compare anyone ever until they have the same players and coaches surrounding them huh? But wait, don't Ingram and Robinson have the same coaching staff and same O-lines? Seems pretty valid to compare the two to me. Every one knew Robinson was getting the ball every time he did, yet he averages 4.7 YPC while Ingram averages 1.7YPC.... logic 2 tuff However I will say the Offensive line is awful at run blocking. We could have Peterson but instead of being a 2000 yard RB he would only be a 1000 yard RB behind that line. Until I see the running game improve this team is no better than the 2010 saints. 2010 Saints had no defense....Packers had no running game when they won it all.....you don't have to run to win. You have to score and play defense. We do that. And we run well in the 4th quarter of every game.

10-01-2013, 05:29 PM	#3
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by rezburna 2010 Saints had no defense....Packers had no running game when they won it all.....you don't have to run to win. You have to score and play defense. We do that. And we run well in the 4th quarter of every game. 2010 saints had the 4th ranked D....FORTH RANKED D... sound familiar? This team is exactly like the 2010 team until they get a running game going. New Orleans Saints 2010 Season Defensive Statistics \| www.NOSaintsHistory.com

10-01-2013, 06:54 PM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by blackangold 2010 saints had the 4th ranked D....FORTH RANKED D... sound familiar? This team is exactly like the 2010 team until they get a running game going. New Orleans Saints 2010 Season Defensive Statistics \| www.NOSaintsHistory.com NFL Stats: by Team Category No we didn't. And I suppose you don't remember Marshawn Lynch.

10-01-2013, 12:51 PM	#5
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Our line looks nothing like the '09 line. Not the same personnel or execution.

10-01-2013, 01:20 PM	#6
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Our line looks nothing like the '09 line. Not the same personnel or execution. And, it shows. In 2009, we had 4.5 rushing Y/A. This year's team is at 3.4. Whether it is the O-Line or the personnel, that number needs to improve. Otherwise, we are predictable and that means our quarterback wears a target.

10-01-2013, 01:02 PM	#7
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Lot to consider- -new receivers might be taking a split second longer to get open- Toon, --Stills, and new Meachem are not Moore, Henderson and old Meachem -to me it seems Brees is holding the ball more than in years past -zero run game equals more blitzes and pressure -who knows if Evans is 100%?

10-01-2013, 01:25 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by ScottF Lot to consider- -new receivers might be taking a split second longer to get open- Toon, --Stills, and new Meachem are not Moore, Henderson and old Meachem -to me it seems Brees is holding the ball more than in years past -zero run game equals more blitzes and pressure -who knows if Evans is 100%? I "think" our screen threat which is a huge threat keeps defenses honest. 3-20 to Sproles ring a bell? PTs 25 yard screen that was called back? (because graham was holding 23 yards down field) neugey likes this.
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Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it After a 4 game sample size, we can certainly assess that the O-line is the top weakness of this 2013 team. I have seen improvement since Game 1 in pass protection and especially the 2nd half of last night's game, but the run blocking cannot function this way for the long haul.

10-01-2013, 01:24 PM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it It seems that our present formula is throw until their defense is broken both mentally and physically, then grind out the 4th qtr on the ground. So far... 100% success in 2 games.

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