Sean Payton’s ego has cost Saints

WhoDat!656 · 12-27-2013, 10:31 PM

Can someone explain why Payton is quick to abandon running the ball when it is successful?

Or why he keeps calling screen plays when they aren't working, for whatever reason?

Or why he will call for a reverse, double-reverse, etc on a short yardage play?

Or why he calls a pass on 1st down so often, it is as predictable as which direction the sun rises?

As smart as Payton is, sometimes he over-thinks plays. If he doesn't think PT, Ingram, Sproles, Robinson, etc, can't get a yard or two, then maybe he needs to cut or bench that player to send a message.

The Dude · 12-27-2013, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

Blame Payton for NOT feeding Ingram the ball. Blame Payton FOR feeding Ingram the ball three straight times.
BLAME Payton for the fake FG gamble. PRAISE payton for the on-side gamble.
Damn I'm dizzy.

His play calling was a direct result in those two games of the all out assault on his QB. I still have the faith in him (even with his aggressive trends).

He has always been aggressive and been a gambler. This mentality got us a Lombardi. Its high risk high reward and just the way he is. Its easy to blame him when it doesn't pay off but I think the payoffs have outweighed the negatives.

frankeefrank · 12-27-2013, 11:26 PM

I love my coach.
Payton's so good, he plans every failure. He is simply just setting teams up…
HA

WillSaints81 · 12-28-2013, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat

Sheesh! Damned if he does. Damned if he does not.
Ego is bad when we lose. Ego is good when we win.
It is what it is.

Either we think he is a decent a coach overall, or we don't. Make up your minds and then justify it. But whatever there is no perfect man out there.

No one is saying he shouldn't coach. Payton brought the playcalling coach trend to the NFL. But Payton also could be considered the Pat Riley/Doc Rivers of the team. He is the emotional support the team needs.

Saintaintso · 12-28-2013, 02:40 AM

All of his struggles come from lack of confidence in the running game.

He's an excellent pass play caller , but only when the threat of a run exists. He doesn't have enough discipline to run the ball.

Saint_LB · 12-28-2013, 04:19 AM

What would really suck would be if the Saints somehow blew it this Sunday and missed the playoffs and Dallas loses tomorrow night.

The stage would be set.

Cruize · 12-28-2013, 05:07 AM

I love Payton. His record speaks for itself, especially versus former Saints coaches. From a fans perspective, I just wish he would run the ball more and do less with the sub packages. The one thing that concerns me is, while the comparison is not close in regards to record, brains and ability as a Head Coach, after Haslett had success, he thought EVERY decision he made from that point on was golden. Even when it CLEARLY wasn't. Payton just seems to share that trait. Call it ego, whatever. You have to learn from your mistakes or you're doomed to repeat them. Plus, I do believe most coaches could win with Brees at QB. Just sayin.

alleycat_126 · 12-28-2013, 05:55 AM

Good decisions, or bad decision you can't dispute facts.... The fact of the matter is that Payton is worth 3 more wins a season than the average coach.... And now whether we make it or not that has been proven. Just me, im lamenting some of the calls. But Im not the coach, or the staff.... he has earned my trust... #getonboard

Rugby Saint II · 12-28-2013, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

All of his struggles come from lack of confidence in the running game.

He's an excellent pass play caller , but only when the threat of a run exists. He doesn't have enough discipline to run the ball.

We have let the O line deteriorate steadily since Goodwin left and others since. We need a center who doesn't get knocked down on a bull rush. A run blocking center. dlp has done a good job but he's not as good as when he first came to town.imho

WHODATINCA · 12-29-2013, 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by Cruize

Plus, I do believe most coaches could win with Brees at QB. Just sayin.

I disagree with that assumption. Norv Turner obviously disagreed too.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,063	Re: Sean Payton’s ego has cost Saints Originally Posted by Mardigras9 Blame Payton for NOT feeding Ingram the ball. Blame Payton FOR feeding Ingram the ball three straight times. BLAME Payton for the fake FG gamble. PRAISE payton for the on-side gamble. Damn I'm dizzy. His play calling was a direct result in those two games of the all out assault on his QB. I still have the faith in him (even with his aggressive trends). He has always been aggressive and been a gambler. This mentality got us a Lombardi. Its high risk high reward and just the way he is. Its easy to blame him when it doesn't pay off but I think the payoffs have outweighed the negatives.
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12-27-2013, 11:26 PM	#33
frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	Re: Sean Payton’s ego has cost Saints I love my coach. Payton's so good, he plans every failure. He is simply just setting teams up… HA
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12-28-2013, 02:10 AM	#34
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: Sean Payton’s ego has cost Saints Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat Sheesh! Damned if he does. Damned if he does not. Ego is bad when we lose. Ego is good when we win. It is what it is. Either we think he is a decent a coach overall, or we don't. Make up your minds and then justify it. But whatever there is no perfect man out there. No one is saying he shouldn't coach. Payton brought the playcalling coach trend to the NFL. But Payton also could be considered the Pat Riley/Doc Rivers of the team. He is the emotional support the team needs.

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Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: Sean Payton’s ego has cost Saints All of his struggles come from lack of confidence in the running game. He's an excellent pass play caller , but only when the threat of a run exists. He doesn't have enough discipline to run the ball. Cruize and Rugby Saint II like this.
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12-28-2013, 05:07 AM	#37
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Sean Payton’s ego has cost Saints I love Payton. His record speaks for itself, especially versus former Saints coaches. From a fans perspective, I just wish he would run the ball more and do less with the sub packages. The one thing that concerns me is, while the comparison is not close in regards to record, brains and ability as a Head Coach, after Haslett had success, he thought EVERY decision he made from that point on was golden. Even when it CLEARLY wasn't. Payton just seems to share that trait. Call it ego, whatever. You have to learn from your mistakes or you're doomed to repeat them. Plus, I do believe most coaches could win with Brees at QB. Just sayin.
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alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Sean Payton’s ego has cost Saints Good decisions, or bad decision you can't dispute facts.... The fact of the matter is that Payton is worth 3 more wins a season than the average coach.... And now whether we make it or not that has been proven. Just me, im lamenting some of the calls. But Im not the coach, or the staff.... he has earned my trust... #getonboard

12-28-2013, 05:17 PM	#39
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,179	Re: Sean Payton’s ego has cost Saints Originally Posted by Saintaintso All of his struggles come from lack of confidence in the running game. He's an excellent pass play caller , but only when the threat of a run exists. He doesn't have enough discipline to run the ball. We have let the O line deteriorate steadily since Goodwin left and others since. We need a center who doesn't get knocked down on a bull rush. A run blocking center. dlp has done a good job but he's not as good as when he first came to town.imho

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WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: Sean Payton’s ego has cost Saints Originally Posted by Cruize Plus, I do believe most coaches could win with Brees at QB. Just sayin. I disagree with that assumption. Norv Turner obviously disagreed too.

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