I do agree with this, planting and pushing off with a foot that is supposedly that bad wouldn't happen. I look at Graham a lot different these days. Only good thing that come from this was our run game started. I watched Shockey score when he should have not even been playing in a game, he hobbled his broke butt to the endzone got seperation and caught the ball. Graham may have the#'s but he couldn't carry Shockeys jock strap.He is a product of the system and if we run the ball we can do better than Graham. We need another Shockey type of TE period.

Lol at your shockey take, seriously..... Did you see the pic of decrepit old shockey next to jimmy graham....the last two seasons of shockey in New Orleans was a joke, and I bet if you ask a Carolina fan the season he played for them where he only got up and played cause he was playing against us was a joke. The reason Graham's here is because shockey best days were behind him..... And let's be honest the only reason you or any other saints fan is looking at him differently is because now your gonna have to pay for the numbers he puts up in a season.....

No!! I only look at the field play. I honestly don't think any player is worth as much as they get paid, never have. With that out of the way if I was basing it on production I would look at the overall body of work, blocking, yrd's after catch, TD's all of the stat things, but stats don't tell everything and when he has been punked out for several games you have to look at those stats also if your a stat person and ask yourself if he is really all that good or a product of the system. I say product of the system and not playing well down the stretch in the playoffs where you usually see better D's thats not good it only makes his case worse, not better. As for Shockey in his prime vs. Graham in his, and he is, I'll take Shockey each and every day, that man lived to play football.

No!! I only look at the field play. I honestly don't think any player is worth as much as they get paid, never have. With that out of the way if I was basing it on production I would look at the overall body of work, blocking, yrd's after catch, TD's all of the stat things, but stats don't tell everything and when he has been punked out for several games you have to look at those stats also if your a stat person and ask yourself if he is really all that good or a product of the system. I say product of the system and not playing well down the stretch in the playoffs where you usually see better D's thats not good it only makes his case worse, not better. As for Shockey in his prime vs. Graham in his, and he is, I'll take Shockey each and every day, that man lived to play football.

He had 6 touchdowns in the last 6 games of the season. I think thats pretty good down the stretch. And averaged 60 yards per game, not bad for a guy with planter fasciitis.

As far as being "punked out", he only had one game without a catch. In that game, the opposition put their best corner on him every play and gave safety help on most. I don't think the problem for the Saints in that game was Jimmy Graham. The problem was no one else stepped up to make them pay for it.

Or plays weren't called to take advantage of that defenses exposure...

He had 6 touchdowns in the last 6 games of the season. I think thats pretty good down the stretch. And averaged 60 yards per game, not bad for a guy with planter fasciitis.

As far as being "punked out", he only had one game without a catch. In that game, the opposition put their best corner on him every play and gave safety help on most. I don't think the problem for the Saints in that game was Jimmy Graham. The problem was no one else stepped up to make them pay for it.

Omg.... Are we one brain today or what....... I was gonna say it but you beat me too it. Not only that but Talib the guy who did the "punkin" didn't even make it to the end of the game. It's now up to us to go and find another options to help our tight end..... I'll just take a few of the better TEs for example...... Witten (Dez Braynt) or how bout Gonzolez ( Julio jones, roddy white )... You shouldn't be able to cover him and stop every Saint on the field...... Then when the seasons over all the blame is pointed in his direction....Lol

No!! I only look at the field play. I honestly don't think any player is worth as much as they get paid, never have. With that out of the way if I was basing it on production I would look at the overall body of work, blocking, yrd's after catch, TD's all of the stat things, but stats don't tell everything and when he has been punked out for several games you have to look at those stats also if your a stat person and ask yourself if he is really all that good or a product of the system. I say product of the system and not playing well down the stretch in the playoffs where you usually see better D's thats not good it only makes his case worse, not better. As for Shockey in his prime vs. Graham in his, and he is, I'll take Shockey each and every day, that man lived to play football.

Let it go..... Some people look at angles that benefit their argument.

Totals are functions of utilization and we all know Jimmy Graham wasn't utilized as a traditional TE.

Jimmy had 86 receptions / 1,215 yards and / 16 TDs / 1st down % 70.9

86 receptions puts his utilization in the WR range Gordon/Boldin/Decker.

Josh Gordon 1,646 yards
Erick Decker 1,288 yards
Anquan Bolden 1,179 yards

Looks like he is in good company doesn't it? None of those are in the top 10 WRs in yards/catch or catches.

In a nut she'll he isn't as productive as the top WRs, and can't block as well as the top TEs. Contrary to popular belief a TE is supposed to be able to block and when he can't it's a liability.

Hell PT had 77 receptions. We don't use players in a traditional manor.

Jimmy Graham / TE NFL Drop leader in 2012.... If you want to call him a TE.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...te-tight-ends/