Jimmy Graham Contract

The Dude · 01-15-2014, 09:31 PM

He is injured. He was playing balls out before the injury. That type of injury not only makes it painful to run and jump but makes it damn near impossible to plant your feet and get any kind of push whatsoever. That is why he was getting shut out. He has only played the game of football for 4 years and is still learning and has a huge ceiling.
I agree he has a lot to learn as a tight end. Our running game got going when Hill and Watson were in as tight ends.

TheOak · 01-16-2014, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

He is injured. He was playing balls out before the injury. That type of injury not only makes it painful to run and jump but makes it damn near impossible to plant your feet and get any kind of push whatsoever. That is why he was getting shut out. He has only played the game of football for 4 years and is still learning and has a huge ceiling.

I agree he has a lot to learn as a tight end. Our running game got going when Hill and Watson were in as tight ends.

Think brother..... It hurts Jimmy to do all you listed but not dunk over the cross bar?

Sorry, not buying it. If he were playing with a hurt foot there would be no dunking.

halloween 65 · 01-16-2014, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Think brother..... It hurts Jimmy to do all you listed but not dunk over the cross bar?

Sorry, not buying it. If he were playing with a hurt foot there would be no dunking.

I do agree with this, planting and pushing off with a foot that is supposedly that bad wouldn't happen. I look at Graham a lot different these days. Only good thing that come from this was our run game started. I watched Shockey score when he should have not even been playing in a game, he hobbled his broke butt to the endzone got seperation and caught the ball. Graham may have the#'s but he couldn't carry Shockeys jock strap.He is a product of the system and if we run the ball we can do better than Graham. We need another Shockey type of TE period.

alleycat_126 · 01-16-2014, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I do agree with this, planting and pushing off with a foot that is supposedly that bad wouldn't happen. I look at Graham a lot different these days. Only good thing that come from this was our run game started. I watched Shockey score when he should have not even been playing in a game, he hobbled his broke butt to the endzone got seperation and caught the ball. Graham may have the#'s but he couldn't carry Shockeys jock strap.He is a product of the system and if we run the ball we can do better than Graham. We need another Shockey type of TE period.

Lol at your shockey take, seriously..... Did you see the pic of decrepit old shockey next to jimmy graham....the last two seasons of shockey in New Orleans was a joke, and I bet if you ask a Carolina fan the season he played for them where he only got up and played cause he was playing against us was a joke. The reason Graham's here is because shockey best days were behind him..... And let's be honest the only reason you or any other saints fan is looking at him differently is because now your gonna have to pay for the numbers he puts up in a season.....

halloween 65 · 01-16-2014, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

Lol at your shockey take, seriously..... Did you see the pic of decrepit old shockey next to jimmy graham....the last two seasons of shockey in New Orleans was a joke, and I bet if you ask a Carolina fan the season he played for them where he only got up and played cause he was playing against us was a joke. The reason Graham's here is because shockey best days were behind him..... And let's be honest the only reason you or any other saints fan is looking at him differently is because now your gonna have to pay for the numbers he puts up in a season.....

No!! I only look at the field play. I honestly don't think any player is worth as much as they get paid, never have. With that out of the way if I was basing it on production I would look at the overall body of work, blocking, yrd's after catch, TD's all of the stat things, but stats don't tell everything and when he has been punked out for several games you have to look at those stats also if your a stat person and ask yourself if he is really all that good or a product of the system. I say product of the system and not playing well down the stretch in the playoffs where you usually see better D's thats not good it only makes his case worse, not better. As for Shockey in his prime vs. Graham in his, and he is, I'll take Shockey each and every day, that man lived to play football.

alleycat_126 · 01-16-2014, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

He is injured. He was playing balls out before the injury. That type of injury not only makes it painful to run and jump but makes it damn near impossible to plant your feet and get any kind of push whatsoever. That is why he was getting shut out. He has only played the game of football for 4 years and is still learning and has a huge ceiling.
I agree he has a lot to learn as a tight end. Our running game got going when Hill and Watson were in as tight ends.

In total agreement, this trade jimmy **** is absurd..... The patriots can't even keep gronk, on the field.... But they won't even hear offers. Why because they know he's a game changer..... The reason you have blocking TEs is to block....JIMMY GRAHAM WILL NEVER BE AN EXCELLENT BLOCKER....NEITHER WAS TONY GONZALEZ .... just ask junior galette if you don't believe me.... BTW TONY G IS NOT GOING INTO THE HALL AS THE BEST BLOCKING TE IN HISTORY........ He's been here four years, put up numbers we have never had at the position, two of those four season he was injured.... We've been reaping the benefits...."Pay the man" 7 years 60 million actually would help our cap right now not the other way around....

Utah_Saint · 01-16-2014, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

In total agreement, this trade jimmy **** is absurd..... The patriots can't even keep gronk, on the field.... But they won't even hear offers. Why because they know he's a game changer..... The reason you have blocking TEs is to block....JIMMY GRAHAM WILL NEVER BE AN EXCELLENT BLOCKER....NEITHER WAS TONY GONZALEZ .... just ask junior galette if you don't believe me.... BTW TONY G IS NOT GOING INTO THE HALL AS THE BEST BLOCKING TE IN HISTORY........ He's been here four years, put up numbers we have never had at the position, two of those four season he was injured.... We've been reaping the benefits...."Pay the man" 7 years 60 million actually would help our cap right now not the other way around....

I agree. He had 1,200 plus yards and led the league in TDs among all receivers. If the only problem is that he can't block, then call him a wide receiver. He can block better than most wide outs.

Budsdrinker · 01-16-2014, 09:13 AM

He will probably get the same contract as Gronk.

dueceloose · 01-16-2014, 09:25 AM

Jimmy's not going anywhere and hopefully he doesn't rape our cap but definitely the #1 te in the league blocking or not. Plus imagine our new found run game and better wrs with jimmy. Pick ur poison we are better with him not without.

Budsdrinker · 01-16-2014, 09:30 AM

Like I said, same contract as Gronk. He hasn't beaten any of Gronk's stats so he doesn't deserve more but I can see the same 6 years $54 million

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01-15-2014, 09:31 PM	#1
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract He is injured. He was playing balls out before the injury. That type of injury not only makes it painful to run and jump but makes it damn near impossible to plant your feet and get any kind of push whatsoever. That is why he was getting shut out. He has only played the game of football for 4 years and is still learning and has a huge ceiling. I agree he has a lot to learn as a tight end. Our running game got going when Hill and Watson were in as tight ends.
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01-16-2014, 07:34 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by The Dude He is injured. He was playing balls out before the injury. That type of injury not only makes it painful to run and jump but makes it damn near impossible to plant your feet and get any kind of push whatsoever. That is why he was getting shut out. He has only played the game of football for 4 years and is still learning and has a huge ceiling. I agree he has a lot to learn as a tight end. Our running game got going when Hill and Watson were in as tight ends. Think brother..... It hurts Jimmy to do all you listed but not dunk over the cross bar? Sorry, not buying it. If he were playing with a hurt foot there would be no dunking.

01-16-2014, 08:45 AM	#3
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by TheOak Think brother..... It hurts Jimmy to do all you listed but not dunk over the cross bar? Sorry, not buying it. If he were playing with a hurt foot there would be no dunking. I do agree with this, planting and pushing off with a foot that is supposedly that bad wouldn't happen. I look at Graham a lot different these days. Only good thing that come from this was our run game started. I watched Shockey score when he should have not even been playing in a game, he hobbled his broke butt to the endzone got seperation and caught the ball. Graham may have the#'s but he couldn't carry Shockeys jock strap.He is a product of the system and if we run the ball we can do better than Graham. We need another Shockey type of TE period. TheOak likes this.

01-16-2014, 09:14 AM	#4
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by halloween 65 I do agree with this, planting and pushing off with a foot that is supposedly that bad wouldn't happen. I look at Graham a lot different these days. Only good thing that come from this was our run game started. I watched Shockey score when he should have not even been playing in a game, he hobbled his broke butt to the endzone got seperation and caught the ball. Graham may have the#'s but he couldn't carry Shockeys jock strap.He is a product of the system and if we run the ball we can do better than Graham. We need another Shockey type of TE period. Lol at your shockey take, seriously..... Did you see the pic of decrepit old shockey next to jimmy graham....the last two seasons of shockey in New Orleans was a joke, and I bet if you ask a Carolina fan the season he played for them where he only got up and played cause he was playing against us was a joke. The reason Graham's here is because shockey best days were behind him..... And let's be honest the only reason you or any other saints fan is looking at him differently is because now your gonna have to pay for the numbers he puts up in a season.....
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01-16-2014, 09:39 AM	#5
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by alleycat_126 Lol at your shockey take, seriously..... Did you see the pic of decrepit old shockey next to jimmy graham....the last two seasons of shockey in New Orleans was a joke, and I bet if you ask a Carolina fan the season he played for them where he only got up and played cause he was playing against us was a joke. The reason Graham's here is because shockey best days were behind him..... And let's be honest the only reason you or any other saints fan is looking at him differently is because now your gonna have to pay for the numbers he puts up in a season..... No!! I only look at the field play. I honestly don't think any player is worth as much as they get paid, never have. With that out of the way if I was basing it on production I would look at the overall body of work, blocking, yrd's after catch, TD's all of the stat things, but stats don't tell everything and when he has been punked out for several games you have to look at those stats also if your a stat person and ask yourself if he is really all that good or a product of the system. I say product of the system and not playing well down the stretch in the playoffs where you usually see better D's thats not good it only makes his case worse, not better. As for Shockey in his prime vs. Graham in his, and he is, I'll take Shockey each and every day, that man lived to play football.

01-16-2014, 08:03 AM	#6
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by The Dude He is injured. He was playing balls out before the injury. That type of injury not only makes it painful to run and jump but makes it damn near impossible to plant your feet and get any kind of push whatsoever. That is why he was getting shut out. He has only played the game of football for 4 years and is still learning and has a huge ceiling. I agree he has a lot to learn as a tight end. Our running game got going when Hill and Watson were in as tight ends. In total agreement, this trade jimmy **** is absurd..... The patriots can't even keep gronk, on the field.... But they won't even hear offers. Why because they know he's a game changer..... The reason you have blocking TEs is to block....JIMMY GRAHAM WILL NEVER BE AN EXCELLENT BLOCKER....NEITHER WAS TONY GONZALEZ .... just ask junior galette if you don't believe me.... BTW TONY G IS NOT GOING INTO THE HALL AS THE BEST BLOCKING TE IN HISTORY........ He's been here four years, put up numbers we have never had at the position, two of those four season he was injured.... We've been reaping the benefits...."Pay the man" 7 years 60 million actually would help our cap right now not the other way around.... Utah_Saint likes this.
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01-16-2014, 09:06 AM	#7
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by alleycat_126 In total agreement, this trade jimmy **** is absurd..... The patriots can't even keep gronk, on the field.... But they won't even hear offers. Why because they know he's a game changer..... The reason you have blocking TEs is to block....JIMMY GRAHAM WILL NEVER BE AN EXCELLENT BLOCKER....NEITHER WAS TONY GONZALEZ .... just ask junior galette if you don't believe me.... BTW TONY G IS NOT GOING INTO THE HALL AS THE BEST BLOCKING TE IN HISTORY........ He's been here four years, put up numbers we have never had at the position, two of those four season he was injured.... We've been reaping the benefits...."Pay the man" 7 years 60 million actually would help our cap right now not the other way around.... I agree. He had 1,200 plus yards and led the league in TDs among all receivers. If the only problem is that he can't block, then call him a wide receiver. He can block better than most wide outs.

01-16-2014, 09:13 AM	#8
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract He will probably get the same contract as Gronk.

01-16-2014, 09:25 AM	#9
dueceloose 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 957	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Jimmy's not going anywhere and hopefully he doesn't rape our cap but definitely the #1 te in the league blocking or not. Plus imagine our new found run game and better wrs with jimmy. Pick ur poison we are better with him not without.
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01-16-2014, 09:30 AM	#10
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Like I said, same contract as Gronk. He hasn't beaten any of Gronk's stats so he doesn't deserve more but I can see the same 6 years $54 million

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