Jimmy Graham Contract

jeanpierre · 01-12-2014, 07:22 PM

LOL - Customer, 'hawk fan, sent me this video and said we should send this video to Condon...

Michael Bennett owns Jimmy Graham - YouTube

blackangold · 01-12-2014, 07:22 PM

Should he be moved to WR permanently? The guy is an awful TE...

He was a huge disappointment at the end of the season and I think the word is out on how to cover him. I don't see him being nearly as effective for the rest of his career. Put your most physical player on him in press man coverage and he is done. I am not a DC but it seems pretty simple to take him out of the game.

ChrisXVI · 01-12-2014, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Should he be moved to WR permanently? The guy is an awful TE...

He was a huge disappointment at the end of the season and I think the word is out on how to cover him. I don't see him being nearly as effective for the rest of his career. Put your most physical player on him in press man coverage and he is done. I am not a DC but it seems pretty simple to take him out of the game.

I agree that he is a terrible TE... But the real problem is that our best receiver is a tight end. Maybe acquiring some tough and physical WR's who can handle press man coverage would take some of the heat off of Jimmy.

halloween 65 · 01-12-2014, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Should he be moved to WR permanently? The guy is an awful TE...

He was a huge disappointment at the end of the season and I think the word is out on how to cover him. I don't see him being nearly as effective for the rest of his career. Put your most physical player on him in press man coverage and he is done. I am not a DC but it seems pretty simple to take him out of the game.

If I were a DC that is what I would do. If he wants the big money he was needed to show up every game and produce, he did not. After seeing him looking for flags instead of being aggressive and fighting for positioning and the ball it made me look at him a totally different way. For a 6"5 260 lb. man that can't block and get man-handled the way he has been, it's easy to say let him go or take a much lesser amount to stay. He might not have as much success playing somewhere else anyway. Brees has made most of them look better than what they are. Lets see how well he would do in Jacksonville or any team that has a less than top 15 qb. A product of the system.

jeanpierre · 01-12-2014, 07:25 PM

Wonder if Curtis Johnson could come and do a workshop with Graham during the summer...

jeanpierre · 01-12-2014, 07:30 PM

What happens if the Saints decide to franchise Jimmy Graham? - CBSSports.com

Originally Posted by Jason La Canfora, CBSSports.com

...if Graham is tagged there is no doubt he would. Consider, if the 2014 salary cap is around $127M, then the tight end tag would be $6.7M, while the receiver tag would be $11.6. That's a staggering difference on a one-year deal...

SaintsBro · 01-12-2014, 08:36 PM

I am of the shocking and scandalous, some would say blasphemous opinion.

I say tag him, sign him, and then TRADE him. We desperately need picks and players to build a younger/faster/stronger/cheaper team. As much as I love him, we've won without him before. He's turned our offense into a one trick pony. The cumulative lack of picks because of Bountygate/Ingram has decimated the team's ability to rebuild/reload over time. We have a lot of flaws that have been exposed over the course of this season. And time is catching up with us.

I think every option except trading Drew Brees should be on the table and open to discussion. If we tagged/signed Graham and were able to convince some bottom feeder team to give us the moon for him, you'd have to take that offer seriously.

GeauxNO1986 · 01-12-2014, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

He's turned our offense into a one trick pony

To be fair, that's on Sean. Its the same with Sproles, you throw it to him as much as you do of course people will figure out how to stop it. It felt like that's the only guys getting stuff thrown at them at one point. but you really cant blame Jimmy for that. He does however need to toughen up a bit.

Utah_Saint · 01-12-2014, 08:55 PM

Tight End, Shmite End

1st in Touchdowns
9th (tied) in plays over 20 yards
13th in receptions just below Josh Gordon and just above Jordy Nelson,
15th in yards, just behind Vincent Jackson and Dez Bryant

That's when you compare him to wide receivers.

Against TE's he's first in every one of those categories.

He'd be a pretty good #1 wide receiver for most teams.
He's the best receiving Tight End in the League this year.

There's plenty of posts saying we need a new wide receiver, why let one of the better ones in the league go.

Offer him TE money, negotiate hard and give him the best deal you can get.

saintsfan1976 · 01-12-2014, 09:22 PM

Franchise him. He'll welcome the raise. Plenty of time to get a long term deal done anyway.

Look at how loyal Payton was to Vilma and Smith. He could have easily left them out to dry..

View Poll Results: What should the Saints do re: Jimmy Graham?
Negotiate, Re-sign to Contract	56	62.92%
Franchise Tag (Exclusive)	17	19.10%
Franchise Tag (Non-Exclusive)	7	7.87%
Non-Tender Free Agent (Let Him Geaux)	9	10.11%
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01-12-2014, 07:22 PM	#2
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Should he be moved to WR permanently? The guy is an awful TE... He was a huge disappointment at the end of the season and I think the word is out on how to cover him. I don't see him being nearly as effective for the rest of his career. Put your most physical player on him in press man coverage and he is done. I am not a DC but it seems pretty simple to take him out of the game. MatthewT likes this.

01-12-2014, 08:14 PM	#3
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by blackangold Should he be moved to WR permanently? The guy is an awful TE... He was a huge disappointment at the end of the season and I think the word is out on how to cover him. I don't see him being nearly as effective for the rest of his career. Put your most physical player on him in press man coverage and he is done. I am not a DC but it seems pretty simple to take him out of the game. I agree that he is a terrible TE... But the real problem is that our best receiver is a tight end. Maybe acquiring some tough and physical WR's who can handle press man coverage would take some of the heat off of Jimmy. MatthewT and foreverfan like this.

01-12-2014, 08:18 PM	#4
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by blackangold Should he be moved to WR permanently? The guy is an awful TE... He was a huge disappointment at the end of the season and I think the word is out on how to cover him. I don't see him being nearly as effective for the rest of his career. Put your most physical player on him in press man coverage and he is done. I am not a DC but it seems pretty simple to take him out of the game. If I were a DC that is what I would do. If he wants the big money he was needed to show up every game and produce, he did not. After seeing him looking for flags instead of being aggressive and fighting for positioning and the ball it made me look at him a totally different way. For a 6"5 260 lb. man that can't block and get man-handled the way he has been, it's easy to say let him go or take a much lesser amount to stay. He might not have as much success playing somewhere else anyway. Brees has made most of them look better than what they are. Lets see how well he would do in Jacksonville or any team that has a less than top 15 qb. A product of the system. MatthewT, foreverfan, jeanpierre and 1 others like this.

01-12-2014, 07:25 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Wonder if Curtis Johnson could come and do a workshop with Graham during the summer...

01-12-2014, 07:30 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract What happens if the Saints decide to franchise Jimmy Graham? - CBSSports.com Originally Posted by Jason La Canfora, CBSSports.com ...if Graham is tagged there is no doubt he would. Consider, if the 2014 salary cap is around $127M, then the tight end tag would be $6.7M, while the receiver tag would be $11.6. That's a staggering difference on a one-year deal...

01-12-2014, 08:36 PM	#7
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract I am of the shocking and scandalous, some would say blasphemous opinion. I say tag him, sign him, and then TRADE him. We desperately need picks and players to build a younger/faster/stronger/cheaper team. As much as I love him, we've won without him before. He's turned our offense into a one trick pony. The cumulative lack of picks because of Bountygate/Ingram has decimated the team's ability to rebuild/reload over time. We have a lot of flaws that have been exposed over the course of this season. And time is catching up with us. I think every option except trading Drew Brees should be on the table and open to discussion. If we tagged/signed Graham and were able to convince some bottom feeder team to give us the moon for him, you'd have to take that offer seriously. MarchingOn and NoZone504 like this.

01-12-2014, 09:50 PM	#8
GeauxNO1986 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 6	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by SaintsBro He's turned our offense into a one trick pony To be fair, that's on Sean. Its the same with Sproles, you throw it to him as much as you do of course people will figure out how to stop it. It felt like that's the only guys getting stuff thrown at them at one point. but you really cant blame Jimmy for that. He does however need to toughen up a bit.
GeauxNO1986 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 6

01-12-2014, 08:55 PM	#9
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Tight End, Shmite End 1st in Touchdowns 9th (tied) in plays over 20 yards 13th in receptions just below Josh Gordon and just above Jordy Nelson, 15th in yards, just behind Vincent Jackson and Dez Bryant That's when you compare him to wide receivers. Against TE's he's first in every one of those categories. He'd be a pretty good #1 wide receiver for most teams. He's the best receiving Tight End in the League this year. There's plenty of posts saying we need a new wide receiver, why let one of the better ones in the league go. Offer him TE money, negotiate hard and give him the best deal you can get. saintsfan1976 and MarchingOn like this.

01-12-2014, 09:22 PM	#10
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,017 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Franchise him. He'll welcome the raise. Plenty of time to get a long term deal done anyway. Look at how loyal Payton was to Vilma and Smith. He could have easily left them out to dry..

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