Who to cut (cap hits included)

alleycat_126 · 01-28-2014, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Amazes me still. His contract is exactly equal to market value. I'm not happy about his tactics, but his contract is on par with his talent.

If people wanna cry about over-paying someone, they should focus on Will Smith, Marques Colston, Lance Moore, Pierre Thomas, Thomas Morstead, Broderick Bunkley, Darren Sproles, Roman Harper, and Curtis Lofton.

Drew's contract is far from the main problem.

Wanna bet we pay the stay puff marshmallow TE about 20 million too much?

*In my preacher from a baptist church voice* Preach on, brother Danno!!!! Mmmmmmmhmmmmmm!!!!!! I said amen, and amen again!!!!!

jeanpierre · 01-30-2014, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

"If" I were the 32 owners I would change the way the league pays and go to a structured pay scale. Let them make the lions share in endorsements, which would also clean the league up a good bit...EG - A starting QB would make 10m a year salary period. He gets a bonus for perfect record, playoffs, SB etc... It does away with all the over and under paid BS. Each and every position would have a price tag, and the salary would be paid out weekly per game so if the QB went to crap and got benched he would receive BU money the next week. But thats a pipe dream...

Wow, just had this very conversation, debate with some friends...

A couple of the problems we discovered were...

(1) Situation, Terrell and Keyshawn on the same team arguing who got the ball threw to him more and in better situations...

One Remedy was to put the Lion Share of the money in bonus pac for W-L record, Division Title, Conference Title, Lombardi...

(2) Situation, What happens to the innovators and the innovations to the game?!? Not many TE's are used like Jimmy Graham; so should his earning power be limited because he's far and away from most of the pack of TE's as a receiver? If it had been a preset salary, would Coach Payton still have gotten same effort, commitment from an equally talented Tight End not name Jimmy Graham?!?

Remedy suggested was like the Salary Cap, the individual positions, both salaries and actual position descriptions would be subject to a sliding scale...

(2a) How do you compare ILB in a 34 to an ILB in a 43; or better still, how do you get a 34 NT or DE to focus on occupying Olinemen when his counter part in a 43 is racking up the stats...

Remedy was that sacks are also a team effort and that the Team Sacks would only be used to calculate related bonuses - well that didn't fly...

(3) Would there be Anti-Trust Exposure Ramifications by "limiting earning power" at a position?

While the counter argument would be that the emphasis is on the performance (winning) and the players have a pool of 60%-65% of the revenues to divide; point of law may say you're still limited an individual's earning power in a monopolized market...

It's an ambitious idea; the devil will be in the details...

TheOak · 01-30-2014, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Wow, just had this very conversation, debate with some friends...

A couple of the problems we discovered were...

(1) Situation, Terrell and Keyshawn on the same team arguing who got the ball threw to him more and in better situations...

One Remedy was to put the Lion Share of the money in bonus pac for W-L record, Division Title, Conference Title, Lombardi...

(2) Situation, What happens to the innovators and the innovations to the game?!? Not many TE's are used like Jimmy Graham; so should his earning power be limited because he's far and away from most of the pack of TE's as a receiver? If it had been a preset salary, would Coach Payton still have gotten same effort, commitment from an equally talented Tight End not name Jimmy Graham?!?

Remedy suggested was like the Salary Cap, the individual positions, both salaries and actual position descriptions would be subject to a sliding scale...

(2a) How do you compare ILB in a 34 to an ILB in a 43; or better still, how do you get a 34 NT or DE to focus on occupying Olinemen when his counter part in a 43 is racking up the stats...

Remedy was that sacks are also a team effort and that the Team Sacks would only be used to calculate related bonuses - well that didn't fly...

(3) Would there be Anti-Trust Exposure Ramifications by "limiting earning power" at a position?

While the counter argument would be that the emphasis is on the performance (winning) and the players have a pool of 60%-65% of the revenues to divide; point of law may say you're still limited an individual's earning power in a monopolized market...

It's an ambitious idea; the devil will be in the details...

I think you may be over thinking the anti-trust concern. Nearly all companies have pay bands for each job description they have, salary is salary.

Example: QBs pay band is (500k-1m for non starters)
(3m - 10m for starters)
Team decides where they fall in that pay band.

I wouldn't delve into a performance incentive bonus program as the whole ocean of ambiguous accountability that is the NFL as we presently know it would defiantly implode if a wrong call by a referee cost a player a bonus.

Where is the motivation? Certainly a player that will play for 10 million a year will play just as hard for 2 million a year. If not, there is the CFL or they are welcome to test the job market with their unused degree in whatever field they chose to study. Good luck pulling 6 figures with a Physical Education degree, or a Marketing degree and zero experience.

Remember.... There was a time when players played till they broke and bled for less than 100k/year.

If all fk that doesn't work there is a sizable delta between the QB pay bands, big enough to play your best or the next week when you don't start your check reflects the lower pay band.

Personally I have a freakin issue with something called "work out bonus". It's their job.

As I see it the league is responsible for healthcare and a salary within the pay-band. The onus for all other income a player wants or feels he needs falls on that player. He can go out and seek enforcements.

An 18 year old soldier has the burden of staying alive and keeping his buddies alive. These college educated 23+ year olds can't balance their own check book and manage their own urges.

frankeefrank · 02-01-2014, 05:06 PM

If you are going to cap how much players earn... shouldn't we also cap what the owners and league earns?

If they hit a certain threshold, the excess goes into a public fund/scholarships/etc...

I never understood why people had so many issues with how much "players" made.
I always felt that the public was closer to the level of the "players" and therefor should sympathize with the "players" more than they do to the "owners."
Seems I was wrong.

jeanpierre · 02-02-2014, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I think you may be over thinking the anti-trust concern. Nearly all companies have pay bands for each job description they have, salary is salary.

Few companies have anti-trust status, whole different set of rules...

Originally Posted by TheOak

These college educated 23+ year olds can't balance their own check book and manage their own urges.

LOL - not laughing at you, laughing at the hypocrisy of these players and their "college educations"...

They're some that truly improve themselves - applaud that and that's the way it should be; most have study hall with tutors as well as "special assistance" when taking examinations...

Then, there's the ever challenging curriculum with examples such as Urban Planning Engineering, Hotel Business Management, Sub-Continental Studies, or my personal favorite, Kinesiological Exercise Science (formerly Phys-Ed)...

jeanpierre · 02-02-2014, 02:07 AM

Back on subject, projected departures and/or those that may be repatriated to a reduced salary...

DE Will Smith
NT Brodrick Bunkley
SS Roman Harper
DB Malcolm Jenkins*
CB Jabari Greer
LB Jon Vilma
LB Ramon Humber
LB Will Herring
LB Parys Haralson*
LB Kenyunta Dawson

QB Luke McCown
RB Pierre Thomas*
RB Darren Sproles
WR Lance Moore*
WR Robert Meachem*
WR Joe Morgan
OT Zach Strief
OT Charles Brown
C Brian de la Puente

*Should be re-signed, renegotiate to cap friendlier contracts...

TheOak · 02-02-2014, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Few companies have anti-trust status, whole different set of rules.

Antitrust for the NFL centers more around collusion, conduct, and market. Antitrust in the NFL's case is why there are no games on Friday or Saturday because that would infringe on College and HS Football... College football viewership is the biggest concern.

Obviously any ideas you or I have would never float past the NFLPA unless there is hefty comp beyond salary and bonus. However, after that was done you could do away with the NFLPA.

Also, if you can cap rookies you can implement paybands.

If pay bands were implemented you put Condon back in jeans because it would severely strip his income.

voodooido · 02-02-2014, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut?

I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker..

Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)...

Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

I say Smith, Thomas, Moore and Robinson. Possibly Harper and Sproles. KRob and Ingram will get a ton of playing time next year. Greer and Lewis could be a top 3 CB tandem next year. Add Bunkley to the cut list. Hicks and Jenkins have pushed him out

halloween 65 · 02-02-2014, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

We did just fine without Smith and I didn't see the LB experiment working anyway
Keep Sproles and Thomas
Assess Greers injury. His career could possibly be over anyway unfortunately
I like Moore but it may be time to move on.
Harper and Ingram can go. I actually like Harper. Our run D got much better almost instantaneously when he came back from injury. If we can find a FA upgrade that would be great
Krob is the future as our bruiser and short ydg and should replace Ingram.
I would like to see how Prob does under Ryan.

Also would it hurt us to let Jenkins go?

You ask if it would it hurt to let Jenkins, I say no!! But I would keep Harper. He excells in the run game. Another good CB would allow a ball-hawk to be brought in, why pay Jenkins when you can up-grade. Robbinson will be back.

hagan714 · 02-03-2014, 04:43 AM

anti-trust status has to do with the non profit tax status the NFL has - nothing more - nothing less.

Why Does the National Football League Deserve Tax-Exempt Status?

You may not know it, but the National Football League is a nonprofit organization. It may seem absurd that a collection of teams that generated at least $9 billion in revenue last season would be given tax-exempt status, but the NFL is technically classified as a 501(c)6 organization. Here's how the IRS describes 501(c)6 tax-exempt status:

Here's how the IRS describes 501(c)6 tax-exempt status:

Section 501(c)(6) of the Internal Revenue Code provides for the exemption of business leagues, chambers of commerce, real estate boards, boards of trade and professional football leagues, which are not organized for profit and no part of the net earnings of which inures to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual.

blah blah blah

The important thing here is that we the people granted the NFL this tax exemption, even if it was decades ago (Just as we granted the leagues the anti-trust exemption for negotiating television broadcast contracts.). As a result, we can revoke that exemption if the league blacks out its fans, forces fans to pay for personal seat licenses, extorts public money from municipalities by threatening to move teams, etc.The NFL may technically be a non-profit, but it sure as hell isn't acting in the public interest.

Brian Frederick: Why Does the National Football League Deserve Tax-Exempt Status?

the part i keep harping on is

extorts public money from municipalities by threatening to move teams, etc (they do it all the time.)

this is were tax payer need to establish rights to protect there investment due to the tax money they invest into teams every year.

Now common sense will make you lao and feel like a fool when you understand the screwing the NFL gives us taxpayers. The NFL like all major corporations in America they do not pay their fair share taxes and have not been doing so since the 1960s. this is one more example of how un patriotic most of the companies are here in America. yet we let it continue and carry them on our backs.

ok off the soap box

so with that put to bed

who gets cut? any player with minimal dead cap money next year is on the hot seat. those with expiring contracts are in the fire.

Originally Posted by Danno

So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut?

I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker..

Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)...
Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

Danno has a good start on the list of players on the hot seat

01-28-2014, 02:33 PM	#111
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno Amazes me still. His contract is exactly equal to market value. I'm not happy about his tactics, but his contract is on par with his talent. If people wanna cry about over-paying someone, they should focus on Will Smith, Marques Colston, Lance Moore, Pierre Thomas, Thomas Morstead, Broderick Bunkley, Darren Sproles, Roman Harper, and Curtis Lofton. Drew's contract is far from the main problem. Wanna bet we pay the stay puff marshmallow TE about 20 million too much? In my preacher from a baptist church voice Preach on, brother Danno!!!! Mmmmmmmhmmmmmm!!!!!! I said amen, and amen again!!!!!

01-30-2014, 08:16 PM	#112
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by TheOak "If" I were the 32 owners I would change the way the league pays and go to a structured pay scale. Let them make the lions share in endorsements, which would also clean the league up a good bit...EG - A starting QB would make 10m a year salary period. He gets a bonus for perfect record, playoffs, SB etc... It does away with all the over and under paid BS. Each and every position would have a price tag, and the salary would be paid out weekly per game so if the QB went to crap and got benched he would receive BU money the next week. But thats a pipe dream... Wow, just had this very conversation, debate with some friends... A couple of the problems we discovered were... (1) Situation, Terrell and Keyshawn on the same team arguing who got the ball threw to him more and in better situations... One Remedy was to put the Lion Share of the money in bonus pac for W-L record, Division Title, Conference Title, Lombardi... (2) Situation, What happens to the innovators and the innovations to the game?!? Not many TE's are used like Jimmy Graham; so should his earning power be limited because he's far and away from most of the pack of TE's as a receiver? If it had been a preset salary, would Coach Payton still have gotten same effort, commitment from an equally talented Tight End not name Jimmy Graham?!? Remedy suggested was like the Salary Cap, the individual positions, both salaries and actual position descriptions would be subject to a sliding scale... (2a) How do you compare ILB in a 34 to an ILB in a 43; or better still, how do you get a 34 NT or DE to focus on occupying Olinemen when his counter part in a 43 is racking up the stats... Remedy was that sacks are also a team effort and that the Team Sacks would only be used to calculate related bonuses - well that didn't fly... (3) Would there be Anti-Trust Exposure Ramifications by "limiting earning power" at a position? While the counter argument would be that the emphasis is on the performance (winning) and the players have a pool of 60%-65% of the revenues to divide; point of law may say you're still limited an individual's earning power in a monopolized market... It's an ambitious idea; the devil will be in the details... hagan714 likes this.
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01-30-2014, 09:22 PM	#113
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by jeanpierre Wow, just had this very conversation, debate with some friends... A couple of the problems we discovered were... (1) Situation, Terrell and Keyshawn on the same team arguing who got the ball threw to him more and in better situations... One Remedy was to put the Lion Share of the money in bonus pac for W-L record, Division Title, Conference Title, Lombardi... (2) Situation, What happens to the innovators and the innovations to the game?!? Not many TE's are used like Jimmy Graham; so should his earning power be limited because he's far and away from most of the pack of TE's as a receiver? If it had been a preset salary, would Coach Payton still have gotten same effort, commitment from an equally talented Tight End not name Jimmy Graham?!? Remedy suggested was like the Salary Cap, the individual positions, both salaries and actual position descriptions would be subject to a sliding scale... (2a) How do you compare ILB in a 34 to an ILB in a 43; or better still, how do you get a 34 NT or DE to focus on occupying Olinemen when his counter part in a 43 is racking up the stats... Remedy was that sacks are also a team effort and that the Team Sacks would only be used to calculate related bonuses - well that didn't fly... (3) Would there be Anti-Trust Exposure Ramifications by "limiting earning power" at a position? While the counter argument would be that the emphasis is on the performance (winning) and the players have a pool of 60%-65% of the revenues to divide; point of law may say you're still limited an individual's earning power in a monopolized market... It's an ambitious idea; the devil will be in the details... I think you may be over thinking the anti-trust concern. Nearly all companies have pay bands for each job description they have, salary is salary. Example: QBs pay band is (500k-1m for non starters) (3m - 10m for starters) Team decides where they fall in that pay band. I wouldn't delve into a performance incentive bonus program as the whole ocean of ambiguous accountability that is the NFL as we presently know it would defiantly implode if a wrong call by a referee cost a player a bonus. Where is the motivation? Certainly a player that will play for 10 million a year will play just as hard for 2 million a year. If not, there is the CFL or they are welcome to test the job market with their unused degree in whatever field they chose to study. Good luck pulling 6 figures with a Physical Education degree, or a Marketing degree and zero experience. Remember.... There was a time when players played till they broke and bled for less than 100k/year. If all fk that doesn't work there is a sizable delta between the QB pay bands, big enough to play your best or the next week when you don't start your check reflects the lower pay band. Personally I have a freakin issue with something called "work out bonus". It's their job. As I see it the league is responsible for healthcare and a salary within the pay-band. The onus for all other income a player wants or feels he needs falls on that player. He can go out and seek enforcements. An 18 year old soldier has the burden of staying alive and keeping his buddies alive. These college educated 23+ year olds can't balance their own check book and manage their own urges. hagan714 likes this.
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02-01-2014, 05:06 PM	#114
frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) If you are going to cap how much players earn... shouldn't we also cap what the owners and league earns? If they hit a certain threshold, the excess goes into a public fund/scholarships/etc... I never understood why people had so many issues with how much "players" made. I always felt that the public was closer to the level of the "players" and therefor should sympathize with the "players" more than they do to the "owners." Seems I was wrong.
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02-02-2014, 01:42 AM	#115
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by TheOak I think you may be over thinking the anti-trust concern. Nearly all companies have pay bands for each job description they have, salary is salary. Few companies have anti-trust status, whole different set of rules... Originally Posted by TheOak These college educated 23+ year olds can't balance their own check book and manage their own urges. LOL - not laughing at you, laughing at the hypocrisy of these players and their "college educations"... They're some that truly improve themselves - applaud that and that's the way it should be; most have study hall with tutors as well as "special assistance" when taking examinations... Then, there's the ever challenging curriculum with examples such as Urban Planning Engineering, Hotel Business Management, Sub-Continental Studies, or my personal favorite, Kinesiological Exercise Science (formerly Phys-Ed)...
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Back on subject, projected departures and/or those that may be repatriated to a reduced salary... DE Will Smith NT Brodrick Bunkley SS Roman Harper DB Malcolm Jenkins* CB Jabari Greer LB Jon Vilma LB Ramon Humber LB Will Herring LB Parys Haralson* LB Kenyunta Dawson QB Luke McCown RB Pierre Thomas* RB Darren Sproles WR Lance Moore* WR Robert Meachem* WR Joe Morgan OT Zach Strief OT Charles Brown C Brian de la Puente *Should be re-signed, renegotiate to cap friendlier contracts...

02-02-2014, 05:35 AM	#117
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by jeanpierre Few companies have anti-trust status, whole different set of rules. Antitrust for the NFL centers more around collusion, conduct, and market. Antitrust in the NFL's case is why there are no games on Friday or Saturday because that would infringe on College and HS Football... College football viewership is the biggest concern. Obviously any ideas you or I have would never float past the NFLPA unless there is hefty comp beyond salary and bonus. However, after that was done you could do away with the NFLPA. Also, if you can cap rookies you can implement paybands. If pay bands were implemented you put Condon back in jeans because it would severely strip his income.
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02-02-2014, 05:36 PM	#118
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut? I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker.. Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)... Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000 Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000 Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000 Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000 Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250 Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000 Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375 Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500 I say Smith, Thomas, Moore and Robinson. Possibly Harper and Sproles. KRob and Ingram will get a ton of playing time next year. Greer and Lewis could be a top 3 CB tandem next year. Add Bunkley to the cut list. Hicks and Jenkins have pushed him out
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02-02-2014, 09:33 PM	#119
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by The Dude We did just fine without Smith and I didn't see the LB experiment working anyway Keep Sproles and Thomas Assess Greers injury. His career could possibly be over anyway unfortunately I like Moore but it may be time to move on. Harper and Ingram can go. I actually like Harper. Our run D got much better almost instantaneously when he came back from injury. If we can find a FA upgrade that would be great Krob is the future as our bruiser and short ydg and should replace Ingram. I would like to see how Prob does under Ryan. Also would it hurt us to let Jenkins go? You ask if it would it hurt to let Jenkins, I say no!! But I would keep Harper. He excells in the run game. Another good CB would allow a ball-hawk to be brought in, why pay Jenkins when you can up-grade. Robbinson will be back.

02-03-2014, 04:43 AM	#120
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) anti-trust status has to do with the non profit tax status the NFL has - nothing more - nothing less. Why Does the National Football League Deserve Tax-Exempt Status? You may not know it, but the National Football League is a nonprofit organization. It may seem absurd that a collection of teams that generated at least $9 billion in revenue last season would be given tax-exempt status, but the NFL is technically classified as a 501(c)6 organization. Here's how the IRS describes 501(c)6 tax-exempt status: Here's how the IRS describes 501(c)6 tax-exempt status: Section 501(c)(6) of the Internal Revenue Code provides for the exemption of business leagues, chambers of commerce, real estate boards, boards of trade and professional football leagues, which are not organized for profit and no part of the net earnings of which inures to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual. blah blah blah The important thing here is that we the people granted the NFL this tax exemption, even if it was decades ago (Just as we granted the leagues the anti-trust exemption for negotiating television broadcast contracts.). As a result, we can revoke that exemption if the league blacks out its fans, forces fans to pay for personal seat licenses, extorts public money from municipalities by threatening to move teams, etc.The NFL may technically be a non-profit, but it sure as hell isn't acting in the public interest. Brian Frederick: Why Does the National Football League Deserve Tax-Exempt Status? the part i keep harping on is extorts public money from municipalities by threatening to move teams, etc (they do it all the time.) this is were tax payer need to establish rights to protect there investment due to the tax money they invest into teams every year. Now common sense will make you lao and feel like a fool when you understand the screwing the NFL gives us taxpayers. The NFL like all major corporations in America they do not pay their fair share taxes and have not been doing so since the 1960s. this is one more example of how un patriotic most of the companies are here in America. yet we let it continue and carry them on our backs. ok off the soap box so with that put to bed who gets cut? any player with minimal dead cap money next year is on the hot seat. those with expiring contracts are in the fire. Originally Posted by Danno So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut? I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker.. Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)... Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000 Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000 Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000 Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000 Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250 Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000 Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375 Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500 Danno has a good start on the list of players on the hot seat
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