Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag

TheOak · 03-03-2014, 06:28 AM

Traditionally 2xFirst round draft picks would only go to an elite QB.

All this NEFT did was what it was intended to do. Buy Loomis some time, I believe we have until mid July to sign Kimmy to a long term deal.

Marlboro Man · 03-03-2014, 07:20 AM

All I can say to Jimmy is, did you see what happened to Robert Meachem? Do you see how relieved and happy he was to get back to NO? That'll be you in two years. You have to remember, Drew is a large part of JG's success. Going elsewhere doesn't guarantee continued success or a ring. I think the Saints are seeing if Graham is gonna go against his word and catch passes from another QB.

dizzle88 · 03-03-2014, 08:05 AM

Jimmy benefits from paytons system and drews knowledge of the game

if he goes to another team and has to play TE, he will struggle because he can't block

he isn't worth 12 mil, talking all that BS shouting at seahawks players pregame and then wimped out when earl thomas hit him a couple times

Danno · 03-03-2014, 08:06 AM

The only player I can think of that had as much success elsewhere as they did here was Jonathan Goodwin, and maybe Reggie Bush.

And it could be said that at 10 million, Bush didn't exactly set the world on fire in Miami, and they dumped him after 2 seasons.

The Dude · 03-03-2014, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

The only player I can think of that had as much success elsewhere as they did here was Jonathan Goodwin, and maybe Reggie Bush.

And it could be said that at 10 million, Bush didn't exactly set the world on fire in Miami, and they dumped him after 2 seasons.

A lot have trades we have made of high profile players have made Loomis look like a genius. More often than not the player goes on to get injured or their play significantly drops. Look at Brown and Fujita. There are several more that I cannot recall right now but more often than not we get the better end of the deal. I trust the FO to get it done in a manner that will be best for the team.
Meach and Porter are two more.

xan · 03-03-2014, 08:12 AM

He disappeared against good teams. He can't get separation at the line. He can't block, or doesn't want to. He's had alligator arms since September.

I'm sure he's worth something. Probably more than Gronk. But Wes Welker had a better year.

I'm starting to get tired of individual performers in team activities believing their hype. I'm half expecting JG to start saying he's his own hero...

Danno · 03-03-2014, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by xan

He disappeared against good teams. He can't get separation at the line. He can't block, or doesn't want to. He's had alligator arms since September.

I'm sure he's worth something. Probably more than Gronk. But Wes Welker had a better year.

I'm starting to get tired of individual performers in team activities believing their hype. I'm half expecting JG to start saying he's his own hero...

I used to think that too, but looking at his game logs, he was only shut down against New England, St Louis and Seattle.

In 14 of 18 games, many against good teams, he showed up just fine.

Jimmy Graham Game By Game Stats and Performance - New Orleans Saints - ESPN

K Major · 03-03-2014, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I used to think that too, but looking at his game logs, he was only shut down against New England, St Louis and Seattle.

In 14 of 18 games, many against good teams, he showed up just fine.

Jimmy Graham Game By Game Stats and Performance - New Orleans Saints - ESPN

+1. No shame in having a bad day against any of those defensive minded teams. It happens..

Saintaintso · 03-03-2014, 08:52 AM

It's not about stats ... When we needed a score in Seattle he was absent all game. And to think that he disappeared against the Pats and Hawks is ironic. Both had elite corners , only Elite Recivers beat elite corners which further justifies why he shouldn't be paid as an elite Reciver. As he wasn't able to muster up more than 2 or 3 catches in those entire games !

Let him walk ... He's nothing we can't recreate and dare I say Brees was worlds better before throwing to Graham. More than Half of his Picks happen when targeting Graham.

Graham is a special guy I get it , he's my favorite player but he's only going to be that good if he has an elite QB throwing to him. Let him go on and learn that lesson Meachem did. By the time he comes to his senses well have another version that might even be able to block and create separation.

Drew makes our Recivers good. He throws them open , they are never wide open.

I'd gladly take 2 1st round picks ...

TheOak · 03-03-2014, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

It's not about stats ... When we needed a score in Seattle he was absent all game. And to think that he disappeared against the Pats and Hawks is ironic. Both had elite corners , only Elite Recivers beat elite corners which further justifies why he shouldn't be paid as an elite Reciver. As he wasn't able to muster up more than 2 or 3 catches in those entire games !

Let him walk ... He's nothing we can't recreate and dare I say Brees was worlds better before throwing to Graham. More than Half of his Picks happen when targeting Graham.

Graham is a special guy I get it , he's my favorite player but he's only going to be that good if he has an elite QB throwing to him. Let him go on and learn that lesson Meachem did. By the time he comes to his senses well have another version that might even be able to block and create separation.

Drew makes our Recivers good. He throws them open , they are never wide open.

I'd gladly take 2 1st round picks ...

You contradict your self a good bit and as far as attendance at games.

None of these guys are elite.
When Cleveland needed a TD against Green bay, Josh Gordon was absent.
When Pittsburgh needed a score against Baltimore, Antonio Brown was absent.
When Detroit needed score against Tampa Bay, Calvin Johnson was absent.
When Houston needed a score in 14 games, Andre' Johnson was absent.
When Philly needed a TD against Dallas, DeSean Jackson was absent.

Comparing stats has a lot fewer holes than your logic.

03-03-2014, 06:28 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Traditionally 2xFirst round draft picks would only go to an elite QB. All this NEFT did was what it was intended to do. Buy Loomis some time, I believe we have until mid July to sign Kimmy to a long term deal. The Dude likes this.

03-03-2014, 07:20 AM	#2
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag All I can say to Jimmy is, did you see what happened to Robert Meachem? Do you see how relieved and happy he was to get back to NO? That'll be you in two years. You have to remember, Drew is a large part of JG's success. Going elsewhere doesn't guarantee continued success or a ring. I think the Saints are seeing if Graham is gonna go against his word and catch passes from another QB.

03-03-2014, 08:05 AM	#3
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Jimmy benefits from paytons system and drews knowledge of the game if he goes to another team and has to play TE, he will struggle because he can't block he isn't worth 12 mil, talking all that BS shouting at seahawks players pregame and then wimped out when earl thomas hit him a couple times

03-03-2014, 08:06 AM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag The only player I can think of that had as much success elsewhere as they did here was Jonathan Goodwin, and maybe Reggie Bush. And it could be said that at 10 million, Bush didn't exactly set the world on fire in Miami, and they dumped him after 2 seasons.

03-03-2014, 02:45 PM	#5
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by Danno The only player I can think of that had as much success elsewhere as they did here was Jonathan Goodwin, and maybe Reggie Bush. And it could be said that at 10 million, Bush didn't exactly set the world on fire in Miami, and they dumped him after 2 seasons. A lot have trades we have made of high profile players have made Loomis look like a genius. More often than not the player goes on to get injured or their play significantly drops. Look at Brown and Fujita. There are several more that I cannot recall right now but more often than not we get the better end of the deal. I trust the FO to get it done in a manner that will be best for the team. Meach and Porter are two more. MarchingOn likes this.
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03-03-2014, 08:12 AM	#6
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,372 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag He disappeared against good teams. He can't get separation at the line. He can't block, or doesn't want to. He's had alligator arms since September. I'm sure he's worth something. Probably more than Gronk. But Wes Welker had a better year. I'm starting to get tired of individual performers in team activities believing their hype. I'm half expecting JG to start saying he's his own hero...

03-03-2014, 08:24 AM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by xan He disappeared against good teams. He can't get separation at the line. He can't block, or doesn't want to. He's had alligator arms since September. I'm sure he's worth something. Probably more than Gronk. But Wes Welker had a better year. I'm starting to get tired of individual performers in team activities believing their hype. I'm half expecting JG to start saying he's his own hero... I used to think that too, but looking at his game logs, he was only shut down against New England, St Louis and Seattle. In 14 of 18 games, many against good teams, he showed up just fine. Jimmy Graham Game By Game Stats and Performance - New Orleans Saints - ESPN K Major likes this.

03-03-2014, 09:18 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,742 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by Danno I used to think that too, but looking at his game logs, he was only shut down against New England, St Louis and Seattle. In 14 of 18 games, many against good teams, he showed up just fine. Jimmy Graham Game By Game Stats and Performance - New Orleans Saints - ESPN +1. No shame in having a bad day against any of those defensive minded teams. It happens..

03-03-2014, 08:52 AM	#9
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag It's not about stats ... When we needed a score in Seattle he was absent all game. And to think that he disappeared against the Pats and Hawks is ironic. Both had elite corners , only Elite Recivers beat elite corners which further justifies why he shouldn't be paid as an elite Reciver. As he wasn't able to muster up more than 2 or 3 catches in those entire games ! Let him walk ... He's nothing we can't recreate and dare I say Brees was worlds better before throwing to Graham. More than Half of his Picks happen when targeting Graham. Graham is a special guy I get it , he's my favorite player but he's only going to be that good if he has an elite QB throwing to him. Let him go on and learn that lesson Meachem did. By the time he comes to his senses well have another version that might even be able to block and create separation. Drew makes our Recivers good. He throws them open , they are never wide open. I'd gladly take 2 1st round picks ...
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	You Can't Say Impossible without first saying Im Possible ...

03-03-2014, 11:04 AM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by Saintaintso It's not about stats ... When we needed a score in Seattle he was absent all game. And to think that he disappeared against the Pats and Hawks is ironic. Both had elite corners , only Elite Recivers beat elite corners which further justifies why he shouldn't be paid as an elite Reciver. As he wasn't able to muster up more than 2 or 3 catches in those entire games ! Let him walk ... He's nothing we can't recreate and dare I say Brees was worlds better before throwing to Graham. More than Half of his Picks happen when targeting Graham. Graham is a special guy I get it , he's my favorite player but he's only going to be that good if he has an elite QB throwing to him. Let him go on and learn that lesson Meachem did. By the time he comes to his senses well have another version that might even be able to block and create separation. Drew makes our Recivers good. He throws them open , they are never wide open. I'd gladly take 2 1st round picks ... You contradict your self a good bit and as far as attendance at games. None of these guys are elite. When Cleveland needed a TD against Green bay, Josh Gordon was absent. When Pittsburgh needed a score against Baltimore, Antonio Brown was absent. When Detroit needed score against Tampa Bay, Calvin Johnson was absent. When Houston needed a score in 14 games, Andre' Johnson was absent. When Philly needed a TD against Dallas, DeSean Jackson was absent. Comparing stats has a lot fewer holes than your logic.

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