G504

I love everyone\'s passion, but unfortunately I\'m suppose to be working, so I had to skim some of the longer posts, so I alopogize if I repeat a point that\'s already been made:

First of all, let\'s not romanticize Brees or even Big Ben just yet. They\'re not the first young QBs to have break out seasons then slumped into fighting for a spot on the bench in pre-season.
Second, I live in Philly so I fully conseed anyone\'s \"did you actually watch the game\" points. Force to stare at a stupid helmet moving across my computer screen on nfl.com, I read a lot of stats. And the one that stands out to me are \"longest\" yards of the opposing players. In a typical Saints game, the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd recievers will ALL have a longest play in the 20\'s or 30\'s. Correct me if I wrong, but that tells me the D is missing assignments or missing tackles or both. Denver\'s RB had a 51 yard TD. Knowing my Saints, I KNOW we were probably tripping over our own feet, running into each other, and grabbing handfuls of jersey just to hit the tuff empty handed while the RB skipped into the endzone. That\'s a problem!
In an effort to keep it short, my last point will be: Brooks is the only Saints QB to win a playoff game, against the riegning Superbowl Champs, no less. Now THAT was a beautiful game!

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G504

Ouch! I think you owe Brooks an appology for that one!

saintswhodi

Kool,

I know pretty much everyone here knows the coaching staff has to go. We have beaten that one in the head, that\'s why we are moving on. I agree with BNB about trying to pawn him off to San Fran for Winborn and some picks. I would love that deal.

AB is not Favre cause Favre is a winner. I don\'t know who is comparing them, but they should stop. Favre won a Superbowl without a premiere rb abd premiere receivers. And their defense was alright. We won\'t get this from AB. His time has come and gone. Now like I alluded to, maybe a new staff and an actual qb coach can change that. There are the Rich Gannons of the world who got better older. But as the cons of AB were listed, he has way more of those than positives so if Haslett goes and a serviceable replacement can be found, he has to go.

JKool

BMG,

I like the \"financial\" argument. I\'ll take that one under advisment - it is interesting.

Whodi,

I\'m the one who made the Farve comparison. The comparison is simple: Farve throws bad passes and makes huge mental errors :: Brooks throws bad passes and makes huge mental errors. You\'ve just made my point for me - if GB can win with Farve and he does these stupid things, then NO can win with Brooks when he does these stupid things.

CERTAINLY, there are other great things about Farve that are not great things about Brooks, but that does not negate the fact that a team CAN win even when a QB has a brain caniption once or twice a game, and that is the reason for comparing the two - NOTHING MORE.

BnB,

Hilarious

Everyone,

I\'m enjoying a discussion of Brooks value in a trade. I have nothing to offer here, but I think it is an interesting question.

"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

JKool

johnny,

I just thought of another strategy that works well for increasing your posting number without really contributing:

Pick a fight with someone over something ridiculous. After that continue to bicker back and forth about agendas, whose Mom is less virtuous, post disturbing pictures that say \"owned\" somewhere in them, and then claim that there is some group of people on the board who are out to get just you - make a point of reminding everyone as often as possible that it is you who are the target of attack... you get the idea.

Saint_LB

The thing that kills me is there are still people here defending this clown of a QB. Pssssssssttt.....people are laughing, now. Face it, it just isn\'t working. It\'s over. Buh-bye, AB.

mutineer10

Oh boy, comparing AB to Brett Favre? C\'mon JKool, that\'s a stretch even for erstwhile sunshiners like you and I!

Sure, Favre self-destructs every once in a while. He\'s always done it, and you can bet the farm he\'ll do it again (probably in the playoffs, like last year). But Favre is also capable of lighting up the scoreboard with the best of \'em, and you can bet the farm he\'ll do that again, too.

AB, on the other hand, self-destructs frequently ... almost every game. His \"brain caniptions\" are commonplace, far more frequent than once or twice a game. And while Favre pulls a ... well, an AB ... once in a while, the results usually aren\'t so devastating as the whoppers AB pulls. And finally, I ain\'t NEVER seen (bad English for emphasis) Favre laughing off a screw-up as he walks off the field.

I\'ll freely acknowledge that some mistakes are to be expected from AB because we\'re so frequently playing from behind. I\'ll also agree that coaches are somewhat to blame, because if AB\'s play isn\'t evidence enough of a lack of discipline, his award-winning grin after his antics should be. There are times I like AB, and (God help me) I pull for him every Sunday. If he could play up to that contract, I\'d be happy with him ... in fact, I used to be.

JKool

Wow! Thanks for the insight. I really see what you\'re driving at here. Damn, what WAS I thinking?

LB, do you think we should just cut him now and play Bouman? At least THEN no one would be laughing.

saintswhodi

Good go mutineer. Beat me to it. It is an absolute insult to Favre to even bring AB\'s name up in the same category.

Kool, if you brought up the comparison, I can\'t understand it. Favre is a league\'s better qb than AB. Favre knows when he needs to gun a pass. and when to put slight touch. Favre knows when to take a sack, and when to throw the ball away. Favre commands the respect of the players around him and makes them better. Name one person on our team AB has made better. One. I have seen Favre go and apologize to the DEFENSE when he puts them in a bad position cause of a boneheaded play, and he tells them he\'ll get it back for them and they believe him. Has AB EVER done that? Ever? The biggest difference between AB and Favre is accountability. Favre owns up to his mistakes while AB could care less. That\'s why his players lay it all on the line for him. So an accountable qb will always be held in higher regard than a dumb play making qb who could care less.

JKool

mutineer,

You\'ll see that I acknowledge the significant differences between Farve and Brooks throughout all the posts on this thread. No need to repeat them, since you\'ve reminded us of them here, but the point of my comparison is a small one (NOT a general one).

Do you agree that Farve has days where he makes as many stupid plays as Brooks? (Maybe not in as many games, but as many times within a game.) If yes, then you agree with my point, since GB has won some of those games with a strong running game and a good defense. Now, this means that your QB can make stupid mistakes and you can still win. Thus, if we had a good defense (since we sometimes have a good running game), WE TOO could win games with a QB who makes dumb mistakes. Beyond that I make no claims about the comparison (and you point out good reasons why in your post).

I suppose, it may be time to revisit the whole \"leadership\" thing, so I\'ll ask you this - if a guy smiles or sulks, how does that affect his play? Does it make him throw worse? Does it make him trip over the 50 yard line? Does it make him unable to tackle? I mean really what \"football\" effect does this have on him? (Hint: most people will say that it effects those around him, but NOT him. Rebutal: NFL players are professionals who should worry about what they are doing and not whether some dumbass at or near the sideline - including QBs, fans, etc. - is similing.)

"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks