BrooksMustGo

I don\'t see WhoDat believing this way.

It\'s a VERY academic argument when you think about it. Haslett will live and die as a coach with Aaron Brooks.

\"As long as I\'m here, I want Aaron Brooks as my quarterback.\"--Jim Haslett

http://cbs.sportsline.com/b/page/pre...573968,00.html

JKool

Apologies for the assumption.

I was merely making the following point, which has nothing to do with WhoDat\'s beliefs actually: I am indifferent to Delhomme over Brooks.

As far as options go, I agree that having more of them is better than having fewer of them. I don\'t think anyone would disagree with that.

However, as I pointed out, at some point options must be excercised and choices must be made. My point was this: competition at QB (having options) can go south fast - that is, it is good in the short run but can quickly become a problem both on and off the field.

Also, I\'m not sure why anyone thinks that O\'Sullivan was much of an option. He got whooped in preseason; he was maybe marginally better than Bouman. I\'m not sure that if we had him, we\'d consider him much of an option, if it weren\'t for the hype about him as the preseason started. Sure, like Bulger, he may develop into quite the QB, but I don\'t see any reason to believe that at this point.

"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

CheramieIII

Brooks will not be the starting QB next year, he has had alot of time to prove himself, just like HAZ. Both need to be somewhere else next year, PERIOD.

UK_WhoDat

BMG you said From the same article : Anyone prepared to hand Brooks a mirror? :casstet:

WhoDat

First Half Stats:

Delhomme:
15-21, 229, 1TD, 0 INT

Brooks:
6-14, 65, 1 TD, 0 INT

Who do you want? B/c anyone watching the game sees the difference. Delhomme is commanding, fiery, a fighter.

AB is confused, dangerous, and anything but competitive.

But what do I know???

blake6900

What do you know?! A helluva lot more than Haslett does. A few years ago he wanted to avoid a quarterback controversy between Brooks and Delhomme. Now he\'s dealing with a quarterback controversy between Brooks and anybody but Brooks. He\'s a lost cause and Haslett\'s pigheadedness in starting/staying with/believing in AB will lose him his one and only headcoaching job.


Meanwhile us fans are left here trying to pick up the pieces this red-haired, freckle-faced step-child of a coach left for us. Thanks, Jim...now we know why Kyle Turley thought you were an ass. It\'s because you are one.


As for Brooks, perhaps the reason his receivers drop passes is because they\'re shocked and amazed that the ball is even catchable in the first place.


One bit of good news though...us Saints fans have become pretty good at waiting til next year. We\'ve had enough practice at it. So, here we go again.

[Edited on 6/12/2004 by JOESAM2002]

WhoDat

I just want to know what all those guys who lambasted Kyle Turley have to say now? Looks like crazy or not, he was right.... no?

All those guys who said Brooks wouldn\'t ruin Haslett\'s career. All those guys who said Haslett could turn it around. That our lack of quality players signed in FA wouldn\'t hurt, that guys like Orlando Ruff and Wayne Gandy would really get it done....

Danno

Looks like it, but tatoo boy was also part of this teams problem.

With a defense on pace to be the worst in NFL history I really don\'t think AB is the one taking Jim down.

Don\'t remember any of them, unless you\'re talking about those kids in here a month ago. Most, if I remember correctly, HOPED he could, but doubted it.

OK, they coulda done better. But Gandy isn\'t even close to being in that crap camp. He\'s played OK, compared to Victor Riley, Montrae Holland, Kendall Jacox etc. I\'d even say Bentley hasn\'t faired much better than Gandy.

I wonder where all those guys that were screaming CB was the answer. Well they finally got one and SHAZAMMM! They don\'t really look any better.

Linebacker was were they screwed up, And of course depending on Sullivan at NT.

Tobias-Reiper

... a lot of people want to find the root cause of the problems with the Saints and blame this player or that front office person or the other coach... it is really a combination of bad decisions and general coaching ineptitude by the coaching staff/front office, and player performance...

...yes the Saints have a horrible defense.. but defenses don\'t get that bad overnight... it takes a couple of years of not getting the right players for your system (and it is debatable whether there\'s an actual system or not), not coaching the players you have, letting the playmakers go because they aren\'t track stars or not \"your guys\", overpaying for players that cannot tackle/cover, and most important, I think, not accepting that there is a problem that needs to be addressed, and that things would be fine... I still remember Bill Parcell, in 2002, as a commentator of ESPN, saying of the New Orleans Saints: \" you (the offense) know your defense is bad, and they are not going to get it done... you (the offense) need to score more points\"... that was October 2002...

...yes, the offense has underachieved, somehow... I say somehow because we assume that there\'s talent in this offense, but is it?... one thing that can be said about the offense the past 4 years is that it is consistently inconsistent... of course, we see a similar pattern of playmakers being shown the door because the coaching staff is unable to manage personalities, well, those personalities that belong to the players that aren\'t the present coaching staff\'s guys... the personalities of the coaches\' pets get pampered ( you know, like showing video to the press as evidence that it is all the players around the QB who are screwing up, not the QB, forgetting this is a TEAM sport)...

... many times I have heard the argument \"how can the offense be blamed when the defense spots 20 points to the opposition?\"... well, it would take an opposing team at least 3 offensive possessions to score 20 points... what did the Saints offense do in their 3 possessions? 3-and-outs, INTs, fumbles, that\'s what the offense did... so yeah the other teams are ususally ahead by 20, but the blame falls on both sides of the ball, the defense for not stopping them and the offense for not scoring...

..and to keep with the original title of the thread:
...the ball that hit Pathon and was then intercepted was a bad pass... people want to blame Pathon for it, but if you look at the replay, you\'ll see that ball was thrown behind Pathon... he was going west, the ball hit him in the elbow when he tried reaching behind him to catch it, and then the ball ricochet\'d east,... had the ball been thrown properly, it would have been in front of Pathon, and had Pathon not be able to catch such ball, the ball would\'ve ricochet\'d in front of Pathon, not behind him...

..so there...

'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill

RDOX

Sadly, Tobias has hit the nail on the head. This team\'s offense is in a daze. The 3 & outs kill the defense. The lackidazical attitude by the QB is what kills drives the quickest. Mr. Brooks had trouble getting the snap from center yesterday. I truly believe that what ails this team comes from three sources:

1. LoomBoom and the front office bean counter mentality.
2. Hazlett not wanting a QB \"controversy\" letting Brooks override Blake then Delhomme.
3. Aaron Brooks lack of drive, fire, passion, name it in order to inspire, lead, inflame, name it his team mates on the field.

I predict that Brooks will post good numbers wherever he goes, but will not be in contention for a playoff berth. He\'s damaged goods and the rest of the NFL knows it. That means that we wasted $36 mil on him, and God knows what of Buffet Sullivan. :casstet: