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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; rumor is that mat lienert fomr USC may come out early.....unless of course the saints show intrest......and maybe aaron rogers out of CAL... OR we could go after randall out of LSU, i hear he is sweet! [Edited on 30/11/2004 ...
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11-29-2004, 09:26 PM | #131 |
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rumor is that mat lienert fomr USC may come out early.....unless of course the saints show intrest......and maybe aaron rogers out of CAL...
OR we could go after randall out of LSU, i hear he is sweet! [Edited on 30/11/2004 by TheJudge] |
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11-30-2004, 09:01 AM | #132 |
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The Saints are as predictable as water flowing downhill. In the first quarter McCarthy tries to establish the run. It rarely works. The defense gives up between 10 and 14 points in the 1st quarter while the offense has 3 three and outs because of predictable play calling mixed in with the inevitable false starts and holding penalties. All of a sudden the team is down 14-0. Then the offense opens up. AB starts slinging the ball all over the field. The team gets back into the game somewhat. But in the end the defense has already leaked the requisite 20 points to the opposition. 11 games, at least 20 points a game. It\'s a sad predictable situation that opposing teams can count on. Personally I think McCarthy and Haslett are insane: They keep doing the same thing but expecting a different result. And AB gets the blame for all of this. Somehow everyone is convinced that if you get another QB in there, it\'ll all be different somehow. Everyone seems to be asking why AB cannot consistently convert a 3rd and 12. I\'m asking why is the team in a 3rd in 12 to begin with? We\'re sitting here talking about AB. But why is no one asking about Stallworth essentially losing the game by not converting that last 3rd down before the 2 minute warning in the Falcons game? Or why the more prolific playmaker on Falcons is running around uncovered at the end of the game? Plus going over the numbers again Brooks numbers seem to be cap friendly as compared to other QBs in the top 5-15 in the league. Brooks isn\'t a top 5 QB. However in the right situation and the right guidance he certainly could be a capable top 10 QB coupled with a top 3 RB and a top 5 receiver for the conceivable future. Snippage on the rest. SFIAH |
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11-30-2004, 12:18 PM | #133 |
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11-30-2004, 02:10 PM | #134 |
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Anybody think we can get this to 6 pages? LOL
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11-30-2004, 08:46 PM | #135 |
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SFIAH, we\'re still on the same page. Keep up the good work.
WhoDat, you\'ve caused me to change my mind completely. If Brooks sucks means what you suggest, then he must be totally awesome! Man, I can\'t believe anyone would suggest trading a guy who is so good at everything! Don\'t make me beat you with my eyes again... :hallucine: [Edited on 1/12/2004 by JKool] |
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Most of us seem to think that, while he regularly embarrasses and confuses us, Brooks is a serviceable enough QB. We certainly don\'t have anyone better on the roster, and we\'re paying him too much to have much hope of getting a fair deal out of him (and we\'d still need a QB if we did). AB has shown much ineptitude sprinkled with flashes of greatness, and while that\'s not necessarily encouraging, it\'s better than alot of teams can boast. Look at Arizona, Chicago, or Dallas and ask yourself if they would be having this argument. He\'s not a stud, but he\'ll have to do for now. And hey, who\'s to say that he wouldn\'t improve under adequate leadership, or behind a more solid OL, or with a bit more talent at TE and WR (not talking about you, Joe). I don\'t really know what would fix his attitude, other than maybe some improvements around him. It\'d probably help if the defense gave him a little more support, as anyone knows it\'s terribly difficult to play from behind all the time. A steady, disciplined QB coach might help as well. Fix the defense, fix the OL, fix the WR & TE corps, fix the coaching staff, fix the front office, then let\'s see what AB can do. But ... is he really worth all the trouble...? |
12-01-2004, 09:11 AM | #137 |
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For example, can we re-sign Deuce for the long term deal, re-sign Horn, Pathon or a free agent WR, sign a free agent LB, sign a run stopping DT, sign a safety, sign between 1-3 players for the o-line AND let Brooks keep earning his big cap killing number? It really looks like the money is about to run out at this point. And given his comments over the past 2 years, I don\'t see AB agreeing to restructure to give us cap relief. My gut feeling is that this is a stat padding year for him so that he can force us to release him. |
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12-01-2004, 12:24 PM | #138 |
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I also find this, fix everything else and then see AB can do argument unconvincing. I mean, take Pittsburgh for example - would AB be delivering up there like Roethlisberger has? I don\'t think AB would be playing substantially better, and Roeth is a rookie. Or take Philly. Would AB be outperforming McNabb? Doubt it. Then look at other teams similarly situated. Indy is loaded with offensive talent and terrible on defense - AB and Peyton aren\'t even in the same ballpark. I guess closer comparisons might be Bulger in St Louis or Green in KC. So AB is the equivalent of Bulger or Trent Green? That\'s not exactly exciting. There\'s no question that the O-line is hurting AB this year, but what about last year when it was one of the tops in the league? The year before that? Bottom line is that AB has had a Pro Bowl WR (hopefully) 4 of 5 years in NO. He\'s had a top 5 RB every year he\'s been here. He\'s twice had 2 1000 yard WRs in one season, and the team added talent at WR and TE over and over. He had two great T for 3 years. The o-line is off this year but has traditionally been at very least average. How much longer can you continue to make excuses for this guy? It\'s just like the people who want to blame the players, injuries, a bad training facility, heat, luck, and anything else they can think of for the Saints woes rather than blame Haslett. Look guys, the Saints aren\'t winners with AB. You can compare his boneheaded plays to Favre\'s all you want, but there\'s one key difference. Favre\'s team just keeps winning. They keep overachieving. Are the Saints problems all AB\'s fault? Of course not, but he\'s part of it, and if you want to clean house, clean it. |
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First, everyone needs and \"eye owning\", so
Second, this idea of cleaing house may sound all well and good, but I don\'t think that is what we need. We need a better defense and a better o-line. BMG is right that Brooks\' value should be considered relative to his pay. Brooks is a middle of the pack QB. If we can get someone better, or someone as good who is cheaper, or someone who is almost as good but not as annoying, then I say ok. Other than Brees (and I\'m skeptical on this one), I haven\'t heard all that many suggestions that should even tempt a sane GM. Thus, as of now, I\'m still in favor of keeping AB, even if he never gets any better (and he has in some areas - e.g. fewer fumbles). PS - All those people who\'ve said that AB will find a NEW way to screw up no matter what problem he fixes, what is the new thing this year? He\'s fixed the fumbling problem, he\'s not exactly out of control in the interception category, etc. What is it that he\'s found? |
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12-01-2004, 12:54 PM | #140 |
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Oh yeah, before anyone gets all snippy. We need a new coaching staff and front office staff (almost to the last one).
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