I don't like the trade

gumbeauxx · 05-09-2014, 11:57 AM

I know this is not going to a popular position, but I don't like the trade up to Brandon Cooks. I have no doubt he is a great prospect and all the experts really like the pick, but in this wideout rich draft, was it really the best move for a team that is probably four players away from a Super Bowl.
As it broke yesterday we were in position to make a huge move down and get really good value for our pick, because Bridgewater fell and Minnesota and Houston both wanted him. We could have gotten the #33 and #65 picks for #27, because of Bridgewater. Then we could have gone down to #40 and gotten #98 from Minnesota for the #33 pick for them to take Carr at qb. Setting us up to get center, cb, olb, and wr.
With our cap situation, the draft is about the best way for us to fill a roster cheaply. I feel like the Saints became enamoured with a player and traded to get him. With Graham, Colston, Stills, Watson, Morgan and Toon, I don't see the immediate need, especially when you have a second year undrafted free agent protecting Drew. I just don't see it.

exile · 05-09-2014, 12:33 PM

You will get over it when you see this:

"Where did he go?! "

"Oh, he's almost in the endzone."

rezburna · 05-09-2014, 12:37 PM

Rookie starters at center, CB, wr, and OLB isn't going to win us a Super Bowl. Nor is it guaranteed the people we pick at those spots will even work out to be long term solutions. You go after the players who you believe in. Trying to fill a dire positional need with an unproven rookie is what teams in the bottom half of the draft do.

You will never be able to fill every hole on a team.

gumbeauxx · 05-09-2014, 12:57 PM

So you're saying that any rookie coming in is not going to be an impact player because he is inexperienced? Then by your reasoning Brandon Cooks is not going to do anything either.
I'm warning you if we don't do something about the offensive line, we are going nowhere. You cannot hope to go through a season without an injury on the o-line. So not only do have to have five good starters, but at least two if not three backups.

Mr.Riaton · 05-09-2014, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by gumbeauxx

So you're saying that any rookie coming in is not going to be an impact player because he is inexperienced? Then by your reasoning Brandon Cooks is not going to do anything either.
I'm warning you if we don't do something about the offensive line, we are going nowhere. You cannot hope to go through a season without an injury on the o-line. So not only do have to have five good starters, but at least two if not three backups.

Sean will address any need we have on O line-trust me. We have the oldest offense in the NFL. We need young playmakers. The only defensive players I would have traded up for or picked in our spot is Clowney,Gilbert,Mack,orMosley. An explosive wr was a good choice and I doubt he would have made it to 27.

Danno · 05-09-2014, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

Sean will address any need we have on O line-trust me. We have the oldest offense in the NFL. We need young playmakers. The only defensive players I would have traded up for or picked in our spot is Clowney,Gilbert,Mack,orMosley. An explosive wr was a good choice and I doubt he would have made it to 27.

Agreed, and it was rumored that Green Bay wanted him at 21, and Carolina could have easily jumped us for him if we just stayed put.

Way too many variables for any kind of accurate hindsight.

rezburna · 05-09-2014, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by gumbeaux

So you're saying that any rookie coming in is not going to be an impact player because he is inexperienced? Then by your reasoning Brandon Cooks is not going to do anything either.
I'm warning you if we don't do something about the offensive line, we are going nowhere. You cannot hope to go through a season without an injury on the o-line. So not only do have to have five good starters, but at least two if not three backups.

That's not what I said. You're assuming way too much. We could have stayed at 27 and took a center. But us taking position of need doesn't make it a good pick. The Vikings needed a linebacker, but I wouldn't have taken dude at 8 regardless. Not to mention receiver was a position of need anyway. We took a chance on a guy we believe in. Nothing wrong with that.

jeanpierre · 05-10-2014, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Rookie starters at center, CB, wr, and OLB isn't going to win us a Super Bowl. Nor is it guaranteed the people we pick at those spots will even work out to be long term solutions. You go after the players who you believe in. Trying to fill a dire positional need with an unproven rookie is what teams in the bottom half of the draft do.

You will never be able to fill every hole on a team.

Rez, you're right, in so much that you don't fix a team in one draft...

But consider...

One, this is the deepest draft, possibly in twenty-five years...

Two, the more picks you have, the better you're chances of hitting good players...

Three, if the players that could have been selected with those extra picks would be an improvement over existing talented - why would the fact that they are rookies handicap them from winning a championship?!?

rezburna · 05-10-2014, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Rez, you're right, in so much that you don't fix a team in one draft...

But consider...

One, this is the deepest draft, possibly in twenty-five years...

Two, the more picks you have, the better you're chances of hitting good players...

Three, if the players that could have been selected with those extra picks would be an improvement over existing talented - why would the fact that they are rookies handicap them from winning a championship?!?

I agree with the premise, it's just that we obviously aren't building for the future. We're building for now. Looking for immediate impact.

jeanpierre · 05-10-2014, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I agree with the premise, it's just that we obviously aren't building for the future. We're building for now. Looking for immediate impact.

You're right about the future is now; I just prefer reloading to rebuilding...

And we're set to a course to rebuild...

05-09-2014, 11:57 AM	#1
gumbeauxx Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7	I don't like the trade I know this is not going to a popular position, but I don't like the trade up to Brandon Cooks. I have no doubt he is a great prospect and all the experts really like the pick, but in this wideout rich draft, was it really the best move for a team that is probably four players away from a Super Bowl. As it broke yesterday we were in position to make a huge move down and get really good value for our pick, because Bridgewater fell and Minnesota and Houston both wanted him. We could have gotten the #33 and #65 picks for #27, because of Bridgewater. Then we could have gone down to #40 and gotten #98 from Minnesota for the #33 pick for them to take Carr at qb. Setting us up to get center, cb, olb, and wr. With our cap situation, the draft is about the best way for us to fill a roster cheaply. I feel like the Saints became enamoured with a player and traded to get him. With Graham, Colston, Stills, Watson, Morgan and Toon, I don't see the immediate need, especially when you have a second year undrafted free agent protecting Drew. I just don't see it. hagan714, Papa Voodoo, jeanpierre and 3 others like this.
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05-09-2014, 12:33 PM	#2
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: I don't like the trade You will get over it when you see this: "Where did he go?! " "Oh, he's almost in the endzone." jnormand, foreverfan, AsylumGuido and 3 others like this.
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05-09-2014, 12:57 PM	#4
gumbeauxx Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7	Re: I don't like the trade So you're saying that any rookie coming in is not going to be an impact player because he is inexperienced? Then by your reasoning Brandon Cooks is not going to do anything either. I'm warning you if we don't do something about the offensive line, we are going nowhere. You cannot hope to go through a season without an injury on the o-line. So not only do have to have five good starters, but at least two if not three backups.
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05-09-2014, 02:05 PM	#5
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,290	Re: I don't like the trade Originally Posted by gumbeauxx So you're saying that any rookie coming in is not going to be an impact player because he is inexperienced? Then by your reasoning Brandon Cooks is not going to do anything either. I'm warning you if we don't do something about the offensive line, we are going nowhere. You cannot hope to go through a season without an injury on the o-line. So not only do have to have five good starters, but at least two if not three backups. Sean will address any need we have on O line-trust me. We have the oldest offense in the NFL. We need young playmakers. The only defensive players I would have traded up for or picked in our spot is Clowney,Gilbert,Mack,orMosley. An explosive wr was a good choice and I doubt he would have made it to 27. Danno and SaintsBro like this.

05-09-2014, 02:48 PM	#7
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: I don't like the trade Originally Posted by gumbeaux So you're saying that any rookie coming in is not going to be an impact player because he is inexperienced? Then by your reasoning Brandon Cooks is not going to do anything either. I'm warning you if we don't do something about the offensive line, we are going nowhere. You cannot hope to go through a season without an injury on the o-line. So not only do have to have five good starters, but at least two if not three backups. That's not what I said. You're assuming way too much. We could have stayed at 27 and took a center. But us taking position of need doesn't make it a good pick. The Vikings needed a linebacker, but I wouldn't have taken dude at 8 regardless. Not to mention receiver was a position of need anyway. We took a chance on a guy we believe in. Nothing wrong with that. dizzle88 likes this.

05-09-2014, 12:37 PM	#3
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: I don't like the trade Rookie starters at center, CB, wr, and OLB isn't going to win us a Super Bowl. Nor is it guaranteed the people we pick at those spots will even work out to be long term solutions. You go after the players who you believe in. Trying to fill a dire positional need with an unproven rookie is what teams in the bottom half of the draft do. You will never be able to fill every hole on a team. foreverfan, QBREES9, AsylumGuido and 2 others like this.

05-09-2014, 02:27 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: I don't like the trade Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton Sean will address any need we have on O line-trust me. We have the oldest offense in the NFL. We need young playmakers. The only defensive players I would have traded up for or picked in our spot is Clowney,Gilbert,Mack,orMosley. An explosive wr was a good choice and I doubt he would have made it to 27. Agreed, and it was rumored that Green Bay wanted him at 21, and Carolina could have easily jumped us for him if we just stayed put. Way too many variables for any kind of accurate hindsight. pumpkindriver likes this.

05-10-2014, 09:23 AM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: I don't like the trade Originally Posted by rezburna Rookie starters at center, CB, wr, and OLB isn't going to win us a Super Bowl. Nor is it guaranteed the people we pick at those spots will even work out to be long term solutions. You go after the players who you believe in. Trying to fill a dire positional need with an unproven rookie is what teams in the bottom half of the draft do. You will never be able to fill every hole on a team. Rez, you're right, in so much that you don't fix a team in one draft... But consider... One, this is the deepest draft, possibly in twenty-five years... Two, the more picks you have, the better you're chances of hitting good players... Three, if the players that could have been selected with those extra picks would be an improvement over existing talented - why would the fact that they are rookies handicap them from winning a championship?!?

05-10-2014, 11:21 AM	#9
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: I don't like the trade Originally Posted by jeanpierre Rez, you're right, in so much that you don't fix a team in one draft... But consider... One, this is the deepest draft, possibly in twenty-five years... Two, the more picks you have, the better you're chances of hitting good players... Three, if the players that could have been selected with those extra picks would be an improvement over existing talented - why would the fact that they are rookies handicap them from winning a championship?!? I agree with the premise, it's just that we obviously aren't building for the future. We're building for now. Looking for immediate impact.

05-10-2014, 11:27 AM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: I don't like the trade Originally Posted by rezburna I agree with the premise, it's just that we obviously aren't building for the future. We're building for now. Looking for immediate impact. You're right about the future is now; I just prefer reloading to rebuilding... And we're set to a course to rebuild...

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