After further Review: Examining why the Saints defense stinks

09-20-2014, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

i'm sorry who dats maybe i'm a different fan. its not about how many points you score necessarily its about controlling the clock. when you control the clock you can score 17 points and win games if you're eating clock up. that's my argument. we had a chance to eat up clock and score to put the game out of reach. if we would have scored we wouldnt be having this debate today trust me. we were up 1 point i repeat one point all they had to do is get into field position to kick a fg to beat us vs scoring a t.d. to do so. there is a difference. do you all not see this? f.g vs t.d's hum which one would i take if i'm the opposing team? if it was us in that position to either score a fg or having to score a t.d. plus a two point conversion which one would you take?

If our defense wouldn't give up 500 yards per game we wouldn't be having this discussion because we'd be 2-0.
Your point makes no sense.

Barry from MS · 09-20-2014, 04:00 PM

Offense? Sorry...ain't and will not buy that. You look at execution on the D side, and you see out-of-position personnel, bad angles, very little D-line pressure, slow MLB'ers, and forcing turnovers being as rare as non-alcoholic moonshine.

Barry from MS · 09-20-2014, 04:43 PM

Courtesy of coldhardfootballfacts.com (I'm paraphrasing here): From 2008 to the 2013 halfway point, teams with +1 or higher turnover ratio were 882-237. I'm bettin' you could like go all the back to 1950 and it'd be about the same. It's still about 75% odds you win a football game if you force more than you give away in a game. With our offense, that makes the difference between close games lost or won in the last minutes and us delivering a resounding beat-down. This concludes my seminar on winning in the NFL...please exit the classroom without any obscene gestures.

NOLA54 · 09-20-2014, 05:10 PM

"Two weeks in, the numbers for Ryan's unit don't lie.
His defense, for now, stinks."

After reading this article I feel less confident then ever. It appears are defense is in total disarray. Something is just not right with Rob Ryan and his approach this year. What is going on?????

saintsfan403 · 09-20-2014, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by stilldat318

Thats cause we had Champ at CB that's wht happened

Champ barely played, he had nothing and I mean absolutely nothing to do with how the team looked. Wow

xan · 09-20-2014, 06:06 PM

Those numbers are the results. That explains nothing.

The reason why we suck is because the defensive unit is not organized or communicating.

ClintSaints · 09-20-2014, 08:28 PM

The defense played a bit better in Cleveland, giving up 19 points and far less yards than in Atlanta. (7 of the 26 points Cleveland scored stemmed from a bad Drew Brees throw).

Maybe our defense is a work in progress and maybe it's improving.

I predict when all is said and done, our defense will end up ranked #17th or so, and our offense will end up ranked #1 or #2.

We go 12-4 and lock up the number one seed.

No, I'm not delusional, I'm not drunk, I'm not insane, and I'm not using drugs.

|Mitch| · 09-20-2014, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by ClintSaints

We go 12-4 and lock up the number one seed.

Who do you see our 2 new losses coming from?

whybag · 09-22-2014, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

i'm sorry who dats maybe i'm a different fan. its not about how many points you score necessarily its about controlling the clock. when you control the clock you can score 17 points and win games if you're eating clock up. that's my argument. we had a chance to eat up clock and score to put the game out of reach.

Our offense is in the upper echelon of teams, in just about every statistical category (including rushing now). Again. Our defense is fighting for the lowest ring in the league, in just about every statistical category. Again. We had Atlanta dead to rights until we decided to play bumper cars, just like we did on Beast Mode. How in your head is that worthy of "equal blame"? Come on now.

Rugby Saint II · 09-22-2014, 03:01 PM

Our defense stinks because the defensive game plan makes players hold their nose.

09-20-2014, 03:54 PM	#11
Threaded by Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by teddybarexxx i'm sorry who dats maybe i'm a different fan. its not about how many points you score necessarily its about controlling the clock. when you control the clock you can score 17 points and win games if you're eating clock up. that's my argument. we had a chance to eat up clock and score to put the game out of reach. if we would have scored we wouldnt be having this debate today trust me. we were up 1 point i repeat one point all they had to do is get into field position to kick a fg to beat us vs scoring a t.d. to do so. there is a difference. do you all not see this? f.g vs t.d's hum which one would i take if i'm the opposing team? if it was us in that position to either score a fg or having to score a t.d. plus a two point conversion which one would you take? If our defense wouldn't give up 500 yards per game we wouldn't be having this discussion because we'd be 2-0. Your point makes no sense.
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09-20-2014, 04:00 PM	#12
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: After further Review: Examining why the Saints defense stinks Offense? Sorry...ain't and will not buy that. You look at execution on the D side, and you see out-of-position personnel, bad angles, very little D-line pressure, slow MLB'ers, and forcing turnovers being as rare as non-alcoholic moonshine.

09-20-2014, 04:43 PM	#13
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: After further Review: Examining why the Saints defense stinks Courtesy of coldhardfootballfacts.com (I'm paraphrasing here): From 2008 to the 2013 halfway point, teams with +1 or higher turnover ratio were 882-237. I'm bettin' you could like go all the back to 1950 and it'd be about the same. It's still about 75% odds you win a football game if you force more than you give away in a game. With our offense, that makes the difference between close games lost or won in the last minutes and us delivering a resounding beat-down. This concludes my seminar on winning in the NFL...please exit the classroom without any obscene gestures.
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09-20-2014, 05:10 PM	#14
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,701 Blog Entries: 1	Re: After further Review: Examining why the Saints defense stinks "Two weeks in, the numbers for Ryan's unit don't lie. His defense, for now, stinks." After reading this article I feel less confident then ever. It appears are defense is in total disarray. Something is just not right with Rob Ryan and his approach this year. What is going on?????

09-20-2014, 05:47 PM	#15
saintsfan403 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: WHO DAT NATION Posts: 2,261	Re: After further Review: Examining why the Saints defense stinks Originally Posted by stilldat318 Thats cause we had Champ at CB that's wht happened Champ barely played, he had nothing and I mean absolutely nothing to do with how the team looked. Wow ScottF likes this.

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09-20-2014, 06:06 PM	#16
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,355 Blog Entries: 34	Re: After further Review: Examining why the Saints defense stinks Those numbers are the results. That explains nothing. The reason why we suck is because the defensive unit is not organized or communicating. saintfan and saintsfan403 like this.

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ClintSaints 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 603	Re: After further Review: Examining why the Saints defense stinks The defense played a bit better in Cleveland, giving up 19 points and far less yards than in Atlanta. (7 of the 26 points Cleveland scored stemmed from a bad Drew Brees throw). Maybe our defense is a work in progress and maybe it's improving. I predict when all is said and done, our defense will end up ranked #17th or so, and our offense will end up ranked #1 or #2. We go 12-4 and lock up the number one seed. No, I'm not delusional, I'm not drunk, I'm not insane, and I'm not using drugs.

09-20-2014, 08:30 PM	#18
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: After further Review: Examining why the Saints defense stinks Originally Posted by ClintSaints We go 12-4 and lock up the number one seed. Who do you see our 2 new losses coming from?

09-22-2014, 12:54 PM	#19
whybag 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: After further Review: Examining why the Saints defense stinks Originally Posted by teddybarexxx i'm sorry who dats maybe i'm a different fan. its not about how many points you score necessarily its about controlling the clock. when you control the clock you can score 17 points and win games if you're eating clock up. that's my argument. we had a chance to eat up clock and score to put the game out of reach. Our offense is in the upper echelon of teams, in just about every statistical category (including rushing now). Again. Our defense is fighting for the lowest ring in the league, in just about every statistical category. Again. We had Atlanta dead to rights until we decided to play bumper cars, just like we did on Beast Mode. How in your head is that worthy of "equal blame"? Come on now. Danno and dizzle88 like this.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,720	Re: After further Review: Examining why the Saints defense stinks Our defense stinks because the defensive game plan makes players hold their nose.

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