secondary

Jamessr · 09-22-2014, 09:13 AM

Are they the second coming of the Eagles dream team?

Danno · 09-22-2014, 09:20 AM

Who would have thought after 3 games our top rated CB would be Corey White?

I'm starting to worry that SJB was a bad pick. We have an UDFA CB playing CB while SJB is riding the pine.

Hopefully its just a case of Dixon playing so much better than anyone thought, another diamond in the rough.

hagan714 · 09-22-2014, 09:44 AM

lets be honest here. our secondary reminds me of the cowgirls secondary the years Rob was there. that worries me big time. so much has been made of his scheme being too difficult to master and it might be as simple as it suxs?

Mardigras9 · 09-22-2014, 09:48 AM

The defense did keep them out of the endzone, but I'm not sure they do if the Vikings had a more efficient red zone offense. Was it our defense doing it or the their offense not getting it done? I lean toward the latter.

jeanpierre · 09-22-2014, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Who would have thought after 3 games our top rated CB would be Corey White?

I'm starting to worry that SJB was a bad pick. We have an UDFA CB playing CB while SJB is riding the pine.

Hopefully its just a case of Dixon playing so much better than anyone thought, another diamond in the rough.

This is not a new concept for the Saints; example, Pierre Thomas.

What does make you wonder is if the Saints front office/draft team could get just a couple more of the picks right...

Sacrilege warning: Payton, like Parcells, may just not be as good at identifying talent as he is in motivating talent and putting it in the best position to succeed...

His ego may not want to hear it, but there it is...

ScottF · 09-22-2014, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Who would have thought after 3 games our top rated CB would be Corey White?

I'm starting to worry that SJB was a bad pick. We have an UDFA CB playing CB while SJB is riding the pine.

Hopefully its just a case of Dixon playing so much better than anyone thought, another diamond in the rough.

Dixon is playing because he has been a terror on ST- a gunner with speed. Once he learns to actually stop and tackle he will be a force.

ScottF · 09-22-2014, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

I hate to sound like a downer after a win, but #28 is not looking very much like the player he was last year. #32 is missing way too many tackles and dumb penalties. #31 doesn't look at all like the impact player he was on his old team. #24 and #25 are probably playing the best out of all the DB's at the moment.

I wonder if we haven't messed up the secondary by signing #31. I'm not saying he sucks or anything, but with #27 back there last year we had some man-to-man coverage ability in a safety. #31, it seems, can only play back in zone. I would obviously love to be proven wrong on this.

The main thing right now is #28. He really needs to get it together, because today he was reminded me of #21 and that's definitely not a good thing.

I thought Lewis looked better Sunday, and White stepped up. KV with too many whiffs again, and Byrd with a pedestrian performance.
I thought Bush played well at times; he is a consistent tackler, unlike KV and Prob

The Dude · 09-22-2014, 10:22 AM

We fix problems up front and these DBs will look amazing. I don't get how our line isn't getting pressure. They did it pretty well last season. We really have not lost anyone besides Harper.

ikecomp · 09-22-2014, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Agreed, it would be nice to see Powell play

Vikings are in I formation, with 2 receivers to the left, play action fake
The full back comes through the line and heads to the sideline
NOW, Ramon Humber backs up but does not go for the full back, Keenan lewis and Humber end up covering the same zone where the full back has leaked out to.
Which Vacates a huge space on the deep left off the field where I believe Keenan Lewis should have dropped back into, Patterson runs a corner route and Byrd is covering jennings running a deep route.

Patterson was left completely unmarked and byrd has to come back to make the tackle, from the way Keenan lewis acted I believe he was at fault, he jumped the full back when he came through the line when humber already had that zone covered

I think this illustrates one of the points I made in another thread. Our secondary is often asked to compensate for our very slow linebackers. In most situations Lewis would expect the linebacker to handle the zone responsibility against the full back but in our system we pretty much know the linebacker is not going to make that play. Case and point, when asiata caught the pass out in the flat curtis lofton didn't even try to run hard to make the tackle, he just assumed one of the db's would make the tackle. It wasn't till he saw the DB getting blocked that he actually tried to make a play. These type of plays happen far too often. We need to start playing the 3 safety look more with either Bush or Vaccaro in the box to make up for our lack of pursuit speed at the LB position.

The Dude · 09-22-2014, 11:04 AM

I miss Harper. Never hated him the way most people did.

09-22-2014, 09:13 AM	#11
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: secondary Are they the second coming of the Eagles dream team?

09-22-2014, 09:20 AM	#12
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: secondary Who would have thought after 3 games our top rated CB would be Corey White? I'm starting to worry that SJB was a bad pick. We have an UDFA CB playing CB while SJB is riding the pine. Hopefully its just a case of Dixon playing so much better than anyone thought, another diamond in the rough. jnormand and MarchingOn like this.

09-22-2014, 09:44 AM	#13
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: secondary lets be honest here. our secondary reminds me of the cowgirls secondary the years Rob was there. that worries me big time. so much has been made of his scheme being too difficult to master and it might be as simple as it suxs?

09-22-2014, 09:48 AM	#14
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: secondary The defense did keep them out of the endzone, but I'm not sure they do if the Vikings had a more efficient red zone offense. Was it our defense doing it or the their offense not getting it done? I lean toward the latter.

09-22-2014, 09:52 AM	#15
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: secondary Originally Posted by Danno Who would have thought after 3 games our top rated CB would be Corey White? I'm starting to worry that SJB was a bad pick. We have an UDFA CB playing CB while SJB is riding the pine. Hopefully its just a case of Dixon playing so much better than anyone thought, another diamond in the rough. This is not a new concept for the Saints; example, Pierre Thomas. What does make you wonder is if the Saints front office/draft team could get just a couple more of the picks right... Sacrilege warning: Payton, like Parcells, may just not be as good at identifying talent as he is in motivating talent and putting it in the best position to succeed... His ego may not want to hear it, but there it is...

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09-22-2014, 10:10 AM	#16
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: secondary Originally Posted by Danno Who would have thought after 3 games our top rated CB would be Corey White? I'm starting to worry that SJB was a bad pick. We have an UDFA CB playing CB while SJB is riding the pine. Hopefully its just a case of Dixon playing so much better than anyone thought, another diamond in the rough. Dixon is playing because he has been a terror on ST- a gunner with speed. Once he learns to actually stop and tackle he will be a force.

09-22-2014, 10:13 AM	#17
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: secondary Originally Posted by Jack Vegas I hate to sound like a downer after a win, but #28 is not looking very much like the player he was last year. #32 is missing way too many tackles and dumb penalties. #31 doesn't look at all like the impact player he was on his old team. #24 and #25 are probably playing the best out of all the DB's at the moment. I wonder if we haven't messed up the secondary by signing #31. I'm not saying he sucks or anything, but with #27 back there last year we had some man-to-man coverage ability in a safety. #31, it seems, can only play back in zone. I would obviously love to be proven wrong on this. The main thing right now is #28. He really needs to get it together, because today he was reminded me of #21 and that's definitely not a good thing. I thought Lewis looked better Sunday, and White stepped up. KV with too many whiffs again, and Byrd with a pedestrian performance. I thought Bush played well at times; he is a consistent tackler, unlike KV and Prob

09-22-2014, 10:22 AM	#18
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: secondary We fix problems up front and these DBs will look amazing. I don't get how our line isn't getting pressure. They did it pretty well last season. We really have not lost anyone besides Harper.
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09-22-2014, 10:40 AM	#19
ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: secondary Originally Posted by dizzle88 Agreed, it would be nice to see Powell play Vikings are in I formation, with 2 receivers to the left, play action fake The full back comes through the line and heads to the sideline NOW, Ramon Humber backs up but does not go for the full back, Keenan lewis and Humber end up covering the same zone where the full back has leaked out to. Which Vacates a huge space on the deep left off the field where I believe Keenan Lewis should have dropped back into, Patterson runs a corner route and Byrd is covering jennings running a deep route. Patterson was left completely unmarked and byrd has to come back to make the tackle, from the way Keenan lewis acted I believe he was at fault, he jumped the full back when he came through the line when humber already had that zone covered I think this illustrates one of the points I made in another thread. Our secondary is often asked to compensate for our very slow linebackers. In most situations Lewis would expect the linebacker to handle the zone responsibility against the full back but in our system we pretty much know the linebacker is not going to make that play. Case and point, when asiata caught the pass out in the flat curtis lofton didn't even try to run hard to make the tackle, he just assumed one of the db's would make the tackle. It wasn't till he saw the DB getting blocked that he actually tried to make a play. These type of plays happen far too often. We need to start playing the 3 safety look more with either Bush or Vaccaro in the box to make up for our lack of pursuit speed at the LB position.
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09-22-2014, 11:04 AM	#20
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: secondary I miss Harper. Never hated him the way most people did.
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