secondary

VegasSaint9 · 09-22-2014, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Vikings are in I formation, with 2 receivers to the left, play action fake
The full back comes through the line and heads to the sideline
NOW, Ramon Humber backs up but does not go for the full back, Keenan lewis and Humber end up covering the same zone where the full back has leaked out to.
Which Vacates a huge space on the deep left off the field where I believe Keenan Lewis should have dropped back into, Patterson runs a corner route and Byrd is covering jennings running a deep route.

Patterson was left completely unmarked and byrd has to come back to make the tackle, from the way Keenan lewis acted I believe he was at fault, he jumped the full back when he came through the line when humber already had that zone covered

I dont know the coverage on the play but if it was a cover 3/1 with byrd up top(probably 50 yards back for whatever reason), in most defenses the cover 3 corner is supposed to come down on rollouts and floods while the safety is supposed is supposed to occupy the zone previously occupied by the corner. The far side corner then should assume the safety role, the safety assumes the corners old role as deep third to that play. I think Byrd either was covering for a a bigger potential play/ just playing deepest threat. Humber then has responsibility for chasing the qb and lewis for the outside threat. I think the far side corner should've had responsibility of Jennings then.

The Dude · 09-22-2014, 08:12 AM

I think it's hard to judge our secondary when the two first sets of guys in front of them are non existent. No pass rush and our LBers are a joke. Plenty of blame to go around

Jamessr · 09-22-2014, 08:13 AM

Are they the second coming of the Eagles dream team?

Danno · 09-22-2014, 08:20 AM

Who would have thought after 3 games our top rated CB would be Corey White?

I'm starting to worry that SJB was a bad pick. We have an UDFA CB playing CB while SJB is riding the pine.

Hopefully its just a case of Dixon playing so much better than anyone thought, another diamond in the rough.

jeanpierre · 09-22-2014, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Who would have thought after 3 games our top rated CB would be Corey White?

I'm starting to worry that SJB was a bad pick. We have an UDFA CB playing CB while SJB is riding the pine.

Hopefully its just a case of Dixon playing so much better than anyone thought, another diamond in the rough.

This is not a new concept for the Saints; example, Pierre Thomas.

What does make you wonder is if the Saints front office/draft team could get just a couple more of the picks right...

Sacrilege warning: Payton, like Parcells, may just not be as good at identifying talent as he is in motivating talent and putting it in the best position to succeed...

His ego may not want to hear it, but there it is...

ScottF · 09-22-2014, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Who would have thought after 3 games our top rated CB would be Corey White?

I'm starting to worry that SJB was a bad pick. We have an UDFA CB playing CB while SJB is riding the pine.

Hopefully its just a case of Dixon playing so much better than anyone thought, another diamond in the rough.

Dixon is playing because he has been a terror on ST- a gunner with speed. Once he learns to actually stop and tackle he will be a force.

halloween 65 · 09-22-2014, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Who would have thought after 3 games our top rated CB would be Corey White?

I'm starting to worry that SJB was a bad pick. We have an UDFA CB playing CB while SJB is riding the pine.

Hopefully its just a case of Dixon playing so much better than anyone thought, another diamond in the rough.

White is ony going to get better.I got Dixon pushing Robinson if he goes down, maybe if he don't. Robinson needs some good games to change things around. How do you think Bush has been? With the tools in the secondary if they got there crap together as one, we might get by with the inside lb.ers sloth like movement, they should concentrate at least shoring up the run. I wish we would trade to get a stud ILB. we could afford it.

Danno · 09-22-2014, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

White is ony going to get better.I got Dixon pushing Robinson if he goes down, maybe if he don't. Robinson needs some good games to change things around. How do you think Bush has been? With the tools in the secondary if they got there crap together as one, we might get by with the inside lb.ers sloth like movement, they should concentrate at least shoring up the run. I wish we would trade to get a stud ILB. we could afford it.

I've never been impressed with Bush. He's an OK starter, but certainly nothing special. He's often way out of the picture when a WR catches the ball.

We could do worse, and have, but he's just average in my opinion.

VegasSaint9 · 09-22-2014, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I've never been impressed with Bush. He's an OK starter, but certainly nothing special. He's often way out of the picture when a WR catches the ball.

We could do worse, and have, but he's just average in my opinion.

I believe that's improper coaching or just plain bad instincts. None of our players ever appear to be a prime position helping each other out making plays on the ball. It always seems to be single coverage and none of our players seem to flow to the ball as quickly as Carolina or Seattle or any other team that creates any turnovers. That could be the reason for lack of turnovers/ plays on the ball, but it sure isn't fun to watch.

I think they're just playing too far off the ball or too spread out.

rezburna · 09-22-2014, 10:54 AM

Our linebackers are slow.

09-22-2014, 10:40 AM	#1
VegasSaint9 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 360	Re: secondary Originally Posted by dizzle88 Vikings are in I formation, with 2 receivers to the left, play action fake The full back comes through the line and heads to the sideline NOW, Ramon Humber backs up but does not go for the full back, Keenan lewis and Humber end up covering the same zone where the full back has leaked out to. Which Vacates a huge space on the deep left off the field where I believe Keenan Lewis should have dropped back into, Patterson runs a corner route and Byrd is covering jennings running a deep route. Patterson was left completely unmarked and byrd has to come back to make the tackle, from the way Keenan lewis acted I believe he was at fault, he jumped the full back when he came through the line when humber already had that zone covered I dont know the coverage on the play but if it was a cover 3/1 with byrd up top(probably 50 yards back for whatever reason), in most defenses the cover 3 corner is supposed to come down on rollouts and floods while the safety is supposed is supposed to occupy the zone previously occupied by the corner. The far side corner then should assume the safety role, the safety assumes the corners old role as deep third to that play. I think Byrd either was covering for a a bigger potential play/ just playing deepest threat. Humber then has responsibility for chasing the qb and lewis for the outside threat. I think the far side corner should've had responsibility of Jennings then. hagan714 and dizzle88 like this.

09-22-2014, 08:12 AM	#2
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: secondary I think it's hard to judge our secondary when the two first sets of guys in front of them are non existent. No pass rush and our LBers are a joke. Plenty of blame to go around jeanpierre, halloween 65 and K Major like this.
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09-22-2014, 08:13 AM	#3
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: secondary Are they the second coming of the Eagles dream team?

09-22-2014, 08:20 AM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: secondary Who would have thought after 3 games our top rated CB would be Corey White? I'm starting to worry that SJB was a bad pick. We have an UDFA CB playing CB while SJB is riding the pine. Hopefully its just a case of Dixon playing so much better than anyone thought, another diamond in the rough. jnormand and MarchingOn like this.

09-22-2014, 08:52 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: secondary Originally Posted by Danno Who would have thought after 3 games our top rated CB would be Corey White? I'm starting to worry that SJB was a bad pick. We have an UDFA CB playing CB while SJB is riding the pine. Hopefully its just a case of Dixon playing so much better than anyone thought, another diamond in the rough. This is not a new concept for the Saints; example, Pierre Thomas. What does make you wonder is if the Saints front office/draft team could get just a couple more of the picks right... Sacrilege warning: Payton, like Parcells, may just not be as good at identifying talent as he is in motivating talent and putting it in the best position to succeed... His ego may not want to hear it, but there it is...

09-22-2014, 09:10 AM	#6
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: secondary Originally Posted by Danno Who would have thought after 3 games our top rated CB would be Corey White? I'm starting to worry that SJB was a bad pick. We have an UDFA CB playing CB while SJB is riding the pine. Hopefully its just a case of Dixon playing so much better than anyone thought, another diamond in the rough. Dixon is playing because he has been a terror on ST- a gunner with speed. Once he learns to actually stop and tackle he will be a force.

09-22-2014, 10:31 AM	#7
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: secondary Originally Posted by Danno Who would have thought after 3 games our top rated CB would be Corey White? I'm starting to worry that SJB was a bad pick. We have an UDFA CB playing CB while SJB is riding the pine. Hopefully its just a case of Dixon playing so much better than anyone thought, another diamond in the rough. White is ony going to get better.I got Dixon pushing Robinson if he goes down, maybe if he don't. Robinson needs some good games to change things around. How do you think Bush has been? With the tools in the secondary if they got there crap together as one, we might get by with the inside lb.ers sloth like movement, they should concentrate at least shoring up the run. I wish we would trade to get a stud ILB. we could afford it.

09-22-2014, 10:34 AM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: secondary Originally Posted by halloween 65 White is ony going to get better.I got Dixon pushing Robinson if he goes down, maybe if he don't. Robinson needs some good games to change things around. How do you think Bush has been? With the tools in the secondary if they got there crap together as one, we might get by with the inside lb.ers sloth like movement, they should concentrate at least shoring up the run. I wish we would trade to get a stud ILB. we could afford it. I've never been impressed with Bush. He's an OK starter, but certainly nothing special. He's often way out of the picture when a WR catches the ball. We could do worse, and have, but he's just average in my opinion.

09-22-2014, 10:45 AM	#9
VegasSaint9 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 360	Re: secondary Originally Posted by Danno I've never been impressed with Bush. He's an OK starter, but certainly nothing special. He's often way out of the picture when a WR catches the ball. We could do worse, and have, but he's just average in my opinion. I believe that's improper coaching or just plain bad instincts. None of our players ever appear to be a prime position helping each other out making plays on the ball. It always seems to be single coverage and none of our players seem to flow to the ball as quickly as Carolina or Seattle or any other team that creates any turnovers. That could be the reason for lack of turnovers/ plays on the ball, but it sure isn't fun to watch. I think they're just playing too far off the ball or too spread out.

09-22-2014, 10:54 AM	#10
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,020	Re: secondary Our linebackers are slow. hagan714, saintsfan1976, K Major and 1 others like this.

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