Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia

Barry from MS · 10-07-2014, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

So, Barry, who do you want?

Brees. Never said I wanted another QB. I want Brees to clean up the decision-making. That's all I've said all along. These picks do not help our chances to come back and win this division. He has to clean it up if we want to make it to the playoffs. Can't throw 18-22 picks with the inability of our defense to force turnovers.

WHODATINCA · 10-07-2014, 12:35 AM

Here is a chart comparing Bress to Rodgers.

Statistically, over time, very similar.

In fact, since 2003, the trend line for Bress shows consistent improvement -- minus this shi++y year.

Barry from MS · 10-07-2014, 01:12 AM

Like someone said earlier, I want the 2009 Brees with 34 TD/11 INT (13-2 record). Or the 2013 Brees with 39 TD/12 INT (11-5 record). Or the 2011 Brees with 46 TD/14 INT (13-3 record).

He's on pace to throw almost 700 times this year, more than any other year in his career. Play-calling has a lot to do with this conversation as well. 2014 Brees is on pace (roughly) for 29 TD/20 INT.

TDs trend up & INTs trend down, we win this division.

BTW, I don't want Rodgers...Brees is the heart & soul of this team and this area. Rodgers is not.

leilung · 10-07-2014, 02:52 AM

Seems like too many of us like to give #9 a mulligan on his play too often. If you get the stats and the glory, you should also be the goat when its deserved.
That being said, two things I've noticed this season:
1) His inability to hit a deep route in stride. Just about every deep shot, the receiver has had to pull up short when he had his defender beaten.
2) His inability to hit targets on short timing routes. In the past, he had the vision (and confidence in his receivers) to place that rock where he knew the receiver was going to be in the pattern. Now he's holding the ball longer and the window vs the defender closes faster.

Not sure if these are indicators of 'decline' per se, but his mechanics are definitely off.

burningmetal · 10-07-2014, 05:13 AM

What a bunch of jumbled noise. I hate when people try to write funny/snarky columns like this. You're not funny!

And who's to say Brees is not in decline? I don't know how is arm feels or where his head is, and I don't claim to. I just know he's not playing so well. And he's not the only one. Colston has surely BEEN in decline, and that is not up for debate. The line has been ok in the run game but not so great against the pass. Everybody sees those things. It's not like it's one guy problem. But is Drew just struggling because of what's going on around him? Absolutely not. He has made some terrible decisions.

This stupid article wants to paint a picture of a bunch of meat heads who don't remember the past and have no ability to put anything into perspective. Don't get me wrong, those people definitely exist, but they have nothing to do with this. I, for one, am not basing my opinion on how many pick sixes he's thrown this year as opposed to any other year (which seems to be 90% of the basis of that crap above). That would be the meat head's argument. I'm looking at all of the decisions he's making, all of the underthrows, overthrows... Everything. We haven't seen these kinds of prolonged slumps too much.

Drew is one of my favorite people of all time, not just athlete, and I know he wants to play far better. I'm not down on the guy's character, but man, sometimes I don't know what he's thinking out there. When you're paid to be the franchise player, you know what's expected of you and I doubt Drew feels as complacent as this article wants the rest of us to be. There were high expectations for everyone on this team, and those expectations have not come close to being met. That's the bottom line. Nobody knows if he's physically in decline. But his play, lately, has been. As has been the case for many players on this team, unfortunately. What's wrong with saying that? Nobody cares when we complain about the defense, but it's morally wrong to question the play of the team leader?

burningmetal · 10-07-2014, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Seems like too many of us like to give #9 a mulligan on his play too often. If you get the stats and the glory, you should also be the goat when its deserved.
That being said, two things I've noticed this season:
1) His inability to hit a deep route in stride. Just about every deep shot, the receiver has had to pull up short when he had his defender beaten.
2) His inability to hit targets on short timing routes. In the past, he had the vision (and confidence in his receivers) to place that rock where he knew the receiver was going to be in the pattern. Now he's holding the ball longer and the window vs the defender closes faster.

Not sure if these are indicators of 'decline' per se, but his mechanics are definitely off.

Exactly. It's not an indictment on his physical ability, necessarily, though some will disagree. But the timing is off. So many people are quick to just pass it off on the O-line, and while they deserve part of the blame, Drew definitely seems to be holding the ball way too long when he does have the time, as you pointed out. If people don't believe that then they aren't paying very close attention.

|Mitch| · 10-07-2014, 11:30 AM

40,000 yards
With a first quarter eight-yard completion to RB Travaris Cadet, Brees reached 40,000 career passing yards in his 132nd game as a Saint, the quickest an NFL player has reached 40,000 yards with a single team. Previously, Dan Marino (Miami Dolphins, 153 games) was the quickest to reach 40,000 passing yards with a team

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-07-2014, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

Yeah, well, let us know the next time you have an angry 350 pound Godzilla imitator about to stomp your body into a mud hole in the middle of the field. We'll offer some constructive criticism on your judgement too, bro.

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Whoaaa...hang on. No need for that.

I ain't paid millions to do the job of an NFL QB. He's been playing against 350 lb d-lineman who have been trying to rip his head off since 2001. He's handled much worse defenses than the 2014 TB defense.

Definitely True.

QB's make some dumb throws under pressure, even Saint Manning and Saint Brady.

Which I fervently hope that the Saints defense figures out during the bye week. In short any journeyman looks like a HOF QB if there is no pressure... and every HOF QB looks like a journeyman under pressure.

It's just that I haven't seen this kind of poor decision-making very often from Brees, but it seems to be happening way too frequently in the first 5 games this year. You simply can't overlook the fact he leads the NFL in INTs and has thrown two Pick 6's in 5 games. These things helps lose games,

I agree with all of this. It feels like he thinks he needs to carry the team because he doesn't trust the defense. But throwing picks is much worse than just punting the ball and hoping the defense will make a stop.

and Brees' starting record of 2-3 is what I'd call decline. That's the numbers.

Now here I have to disagree. The Saints sucky 2-3 record is a collective team effort. There isn't any single unit, or virtually any single player or coach (except maybe Cooks) that is without blame for where the Saints are right now.

But Brees has to do his job. And the #1 job requirement for him is not to turn the ball over. On this so far he gets a solid 'D-'. It would be an 'F' except for the Minnesota game.

And I feel that I have all the freedom in the world to criticize our team, even Brees. I have no clue what it feels like in his position, obviously, but I can watch an NFL game and give my opinion.

Right or wrong, it is my opinion.

And that's why you and I are fans, and the players get paid millions of dollars.

SFIAH

Barry from MS · 10-07-2014, 12:58 PM

Oh, so you're not 100% in agreement with me? You suck.

That 2-3 record thing is obviously not all Brees, but those costly INTs were contributing factors in those 3 losses. They certainly didn't help matters; no one can deny that.

I just have to watch my 6 on here if I criticize Drew. I love that he's our QB, and believe it or not I'd take him over Manning, Brady, and Rodgers.

Rugby Saint II · 10-07-2014, 01:23 PM

Brees doesn't play O-line.......he plays QB.

10-07-2014, 12:19 AM	#31
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia Originally Posted by WHODATINCA So, Barry, who do you want? Brees. Never said I wanted another QB. I want Brees to clean up the decision-making. That's all I've said all along. These picks do not help our chances to come back and win this division. He has to clean it up if we want to make it to the playoffs. Can't throw 18-22 picks with the inability of our defense to force turnovers.

10-07-2014, 12:35 AM	#32
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia Here is a chart comparing Bress to Rodgers. Statistically, over time, very similar. In fact, since 2003, the trend line for Bress shows consistent improvement -- minus this shi++y year. Attached Thumbnails

10-07-2014, 01:12 AM	#33
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia Like someone said earlier, I want the 2009 Brees with 34 TD/11 INT (13-2 record). Or the 2013 Brees with 39 TD/12 INT (11-5 record). Or the 2011 Brees with 46 TD/14 INT (13-3 record). He's on pace to throw almost 700 times this year, more than any other year in his career. Play-calling has a lot to do with this conversation as well. 2014 Brees is on pace (roughly) for 29 TD/20 INT. TDs trend up & INTs trend down, we win this division. BTW, I don't want Rodgers...Brees is the heart & soul of this team and this area. Rodgers is not.
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10-07-2014, 02:52 AM	#34
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,369	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia Seems like too many of us like to give #9 a mulligan on his play too often. If you get the stats and the glory, you should also be the goat when its deserved. That being said, two things I've noticed this season: 1) His inability to hit a deep route in stride. Just about every deep shot, the receiver has had to pull up short when he had his defender beaten. 2) His inability to hit targets on short timing routes. In the past, he had the vision (and confidence in his receivers) to place that rock where he knew the receiver was going to be in the pattern. Now he's holding the ball longer and the window vs the defender closes faster. Not sure if these are indicators of 'decline' per se, but his mechanics are definitely off. SaintFanInATLHELL, halloween 65 and burningmetal like this.
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10-07-2014, 05:13 AM	#35
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia What a bunch of jumbled noise. I hate when people try to write funny/snarky columns like this. You're not funny! And who's to say Brees is not in decline? I don't know how is arm feels or where his head is, and I don't claim to. I just know he's not playing so well. And he's not the only one. Colston has surely BEEN in decline, and that is not up for debate. The line has been ok in the run game but not so great against the pass. Everybody sees those things. It's not like it's one guy problem. But is Drew just struggling because of what's going on around him? Absolutely not. He has made some terrible decisions. This stupid article wants to paint a picture of a bunch of meat heads who don't remember the past and have no ability to put anything into perspective. Don't get me wrong, those people definitely exist, but they have nothing to do with this. I, for one, am not basing my opinion on how many pick sixes he's thrown this year as opposed to any other year (which seems to be 90% of the basis of that crap above). That would be the meat head's argument. I'm looking at all of the decisions he's making, all of the underthrows, overthrows... Everything. We haven't seen these kinds of prolonged slumps too much. Drew is one of my favorite people of all time, not just athlete, and I know he wants to play far better. I'm not down on the guy's character, but man, sometimes I don't know what he's thinking out there. When you're paid to be the franchise player, you know what's expected of you and I doubt Drew feels as complacent as this article wants the rest of us to be. There were high expectations for everyone on this team, and those expectations have not come close to being met. That's the bottom line. Nobody knows if he's physically in decline. But his play, lately, has been. As has been the case for many players on this team, unfortunately. What's wrong with saying that? Nobody cares when we complain about the defense, but it's morally wrong to question the play of the team leader?
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10-07-2014, 05:26 AM	#36
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia Originally Posted by leilung Seems like too many of us like to give #9 a mulligan on his play too often. If you get the stats and the glory, you should also be the goat when its deserved. That being said, two things I've noticed this season: 1) His inability to hit a deep route in stride. Just about every deep shot, the receiver has had to pull up short when he had his defender beaten. 2) His inability to hit targets on short timing routes. In the past, he had the vision (and confidence in his receivers) to place that rock where he knew the receiver was going to be in the pattern. Now he's holding the ball longer and the window vs the defender closes faster. Not sure if these are indicators of 'decline' per se, but his mechanics are definitely off. Exactly. It's not an indictment on his physical ability, necessarily, though some will disagree. But the timing is off. So many people are quick to just pass it off on the O-line, and while they deserve part of the blame, Drew definitely seems to be holding the ball way too long when he does have the time, as you pointed out. If people don't believe that then they aren't paying very close attention.

10-07-2014, 11:30 AM	#37
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia 40,000 yards With a first quarter eight-yard completion to RB Travaris Cadet, Brees reached 40,000 career passing yards in his 132nd game as a Saint, the quickest an NFL player has reached 40,000 yards with a single team. Previously, Dan Marino (Miami Dolphins, 153 games) was the quickest to reach 40,000 passing yards with a team Danno likes this.

10-07-2014, 12:42 PM	#38
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia Originally Posted by WHODATINCA Yeah, well, let us know the next time you have an angry 350 pound Godzilla imitator about to stomp your body into a mud hole in the middle of the field. We'll offer some constructive criticism on your judgement too, bro. Originally Posted by Barry from MS Whoaaa...hang on. No need for that. I ain't paid millions to do the job of an NFL QB. He's been playing against 350 lb d-lineman who have been trying to rip his head off since 2001. He's handled much worse defenses than the 2014 TB defense. Definitely True. QB's make some dumb throws under pressure, even Saint Manning and Saint Brady. Which I fervently hope that the Saints defense figures out during the bye week. In short any journeyman looks like a HOF QB if there is no pressure... and every HOF QB looks like a journeyman under pressure. It's just that I haven't seen this kind of poor decision-making very often from Brees, but it seems to be happening way too frequently in the first 5 games this year. You simply can't overlook the fact he leads the NFL in INTs and has thrown two Pick 6's in 5 games. These things helps lose games, I agree with all of this. It feels like he thinks he needs to carry the team because he doesn't trust the defense. But throwing picks is much worse than just punting the ball and hoping the defense will make a stop. and Brees' starting record of 2-3 is what I'd call decline. That's the numbers. Now here I have to disagree. The Saints sucky 2-3 record is a collective team effort. There isn't any single unit, or virtually any single player or coach (except maybe Cooks) that is without blame for where the Saints are right now. But Brees has to do his job. And the #1 job requirement for him is not to turn the ball over. On this so far he gets a solid 'D-'. It would be an 'F' except for the Minnesota game. And I feel that I have all the freedom in the world to criticize our team, even Brees. I have no clue what it feels like in his position, obviously, but I can watch an NFL game and give my opinion. Right or wrong, it is my opinion. And that's why you and I are fans, and the players get paid millions of dollars. SFIAH
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10-07-2014, 12:58 PM	#39
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia Oh, so you're not 100% in agreement with me? You suck. That 2-3 record thing is obviously not all Brees, but those costly INTs were contributing factors in those 3 losses. They certainly didn't help matters; no one can deny that. I just have to watch my 6 on here if I criticize Drew. I love that he's our QB, and believe it or not I'd take him over Manning, Brady, and Rodgers.

10-07-2014, 01:23 PM	#40
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