2015 draft??

Sarik · 12-29-2014, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Here's my scenario

Round 1
Plan A-Shane Ray, OLB
Plan B-Vic Beasley, OLB
Plan C-La'el Collins, OT
Plan D-Bernardrick MicKinnley, ILB

Round 2
Plan A-Erreck Flowers, OT
Plan B-Dorial Green-Beckham(if Flowers is gone), WR
Plan C-OLB available(i forgot who I named from MSU)
Plan D-OLB available

Round 3
Plan A-Ragman or Frost, ILB
Plan B-Ragman or Frost, ILB
Plan C-Ragman or Frost, ILB
Plan D-Corey Robinson, OT

Round 4
Plan A-Devin Funchess, WR
Plan B-Corey Robinson, OT
Plan C-Devin Funchess, WR
Plan D-Devin Funchess, WR

If we have to draft a RB in case Ingram leaves, hopefully Mike Davis is available in the fourth. We need to start drafting some gamecocks.

Listen, heres the thing. Im all for Shane Ray & Vic Beasley as football players. But i cant see us finding a fit for Shane Ray on this team CURRENTLY. What will he play? OLB? junior has that role & we're paying him a hell of alot of money to rush the passer. Thats what shane ray does, he's not yet ready to take on much more than that as he still has to develop & learn to defend the run better, Forget about pass coverage. DE? Undersized for that position(6'3, 240)...not the type of guy the saints or teams usually look at for a 3-4 DE(Cam 6'4 287, Akiem 6'5,324) ..same issue ppl tried to label on michael sam last year but he had about 20 more pounds on him at around 261. Shane ray is a different monster & ALOT more talented though. Replace Haralson? Sure i can see that but then that leaves us with a bigger issue in pass coverage than this year, as haralson was our best passing down option imo. So its just hard to find a spot for him.

Vic Beasley has got to put on some weight!(6'2, 235 at best) But i do like him. As i did last year. His only option is an OLB, which still leaves us in the same predicament as shane ray. & i dont exactly believe in Joe Vitt to coach either of them up.

I would not be upset with either of these guys though

The Saints WILL NOT draft a guy like Dorial Green-Beckham. Even though he is a rare talent(6'6 & can run like a deer.) id personally love to see what he can do, but we wont see that with this organization. They dont usually draft these kind of problems. Too many off the field issues.

Last but not least, Devin Funchess will not fall past the 2nd round. Theres no way.

WillSaints81 · 12-30-2014, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Sarik

Listen, heres the thing. Im all for Shane Ray & Vic Beasley as football players. But i cant see us finding a fit for Shane Ray on this team CURRENTLY. What will he play? OLB? junior has that role & we're paying him a hell of alot of money to rush the passer. Thats what shane ray does, he's not yet ready to take on much more than that as he still has to develop & learn to defend the run better, Forget about pass coverage. DE? Undersized for that position(6'3, 240)...not the type of guy the saints or teams usually look at for a 3-4 DE(Cam 6'4 287, Akiem 6'5,324) ..same issue ppl tried to label on michael sam last year but he had about 20 more pounds on him at around 261. Shane ray is a different monster & ALOT more talented though. Replace Haralson? Sure i can see that but then that leaves us with a bigger issue in pass coverage than this year, as haralson was our best passing down option imo. So its just hard to find a spot for him.

Vic Beasley has got to put on some weight!(6'2, 235 at best) But i do like him. As i did last year. His only option is an OLB, which still leaves us in the same predicament as shane ray. & i dont exactly believe in Joe Vitt to coach either of them up.

I would not be upset with either of these guys though

The Saints WILL NOT draft a guy like Dorial Green-Beckham. Even though he is a rare talent(6'6 & can run like a deer.) id personally love to see what he can do, but we wont see that with this organization. They dont usually draft these kind of problems. Too many off the field issues.

Last but not least, Devin Funchess will not fall past the 2nd round. Theres no way.

Ray and Beasly play the same position as Shaq.

Sarik · 12-31-2014, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Ray and Beasly play the same position as Shaq.

Yes, all 3 are labeled "OLB"

Shaq is a 4-3 OLB
Beasley & Ray are 3-4 OLB...big diffrence.

Different skill set & shaq could probably scoot over to a 3-4 ILB.

Sarik · 12-29-2014, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

If we have to draft a RB in case Ingram leaves, hopefully Mike Davis is available in the fourth. We need to start drafting some gamecocks.

Not a bad pick. Drafting an RB could definitely happen.

I like the idea of an RB in the middle rounds if Ingram isnt signed. Ameer Abdullah, Jay Ajayi, David Cobb to name a few. Draft is deep at RB so im sure we can find someone i'll like.

spkb25 · 12-29-2014, 09:35 PM

For anyone that watched us this year we were defeated upfront all year long. Please get Drew the help he needs. Oline, fix the oline. that will do a lot more than our defense, which until we find a way to get pressure IDC who you stick in the back is't going to matter

WillSaints81 · 12-30-2014, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

For anyone that watched us this year we were defeated upfront all year long. Please get Drew the help he needs. Oline, fix the oline. that will do a lot more than our defense, which until we find a way to get pressure IDC who you stick in the back is't going to matter

Yeah which is why I hope Collins is there when we pick. It's all about mentality more than talent. The teams from the SEC have serious coaches and competition that the players just have to be mentally sharp. I just don't know if we can get that from Scherff immediately. I thought we needed help at OLB. It always helps to have good backups.

jeanpierre · 12-30-2014, 08:27 PM

Gamecocks?!?

They are, what did Ralphie's Dad say...They're F-R-A-G-I-L-E'; that's it, they must be Italian...

WillSaints81 · 12-30-2014, 10:44 PM

I don't get why LSU fans hate SC? They don't play every year and now once every 6 now and are in two different divisions. Really usually what SC does has no bearing on LSU unless they beat a division rival, only until, if it happens, the two meet in the coveted SEC title game.

jjasso007 · 12-30-2014, 11:16 PM

Latest mock with us having the 13th pick

R1P13. VIC BEASLEY - OLB - CLEMSON
-Beast! And we need a solid 3-4 OLB who can get after the QB

R2P12 - T.J. CLEMMINGS - OT - PITTSBURGH
- Strief is getting old, though he still plays well. Clemmings would be a good replacement and give us two solid bookends

R3P11. RASHAD GREENE - WR - FLORIDA STATE
- solid all around WR who just makes plays. Cooks, Stills and Greene, with big guys Coleman and Jones with Colston as a vet on the team would be great

R4P13. ARIE KOUANDJIO - OG - ALABAMA
-we all know how our guard play was this year, and its safe to think one of our guards may be released this coming season. We need new blood and Kouandjio could step right in

R5P12. STEVEN NELSON - CB - OREGON STATE
- he won't have all the "measurables" at the combine, but he plays aggressively, challenges at the line of scrimmage and plays like he's the biggest and baddest mofo on the field. Also great in the run game. We need some toughness out there with Lewis

R6P11. DAVID JOHNSON - RB - NORTHERN IOWA
- all he did last season was rush for 1553 yards (and 17 TDs) and catch 38 passes for 536 yards and two more TDs. A power runner who is also great out of the backfield. Seeing that Ingram may find more money elsewhere, a new back may be needed

R7P13. A.J. JOHNSON - ILB - TENNESSEE
- guess his off field issue late in the season has him dropping to the 7th now, which I was more than happy top grab him. Great talent on the field, and only one off field incident I saw. High reward guy at an area we need youth and talent

|Mitch| · 12-30-2014, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by jjasso007

Latest mock with us having the 13th pick

R4P13. ARIE KOUANDJIO - OG - ALABAMA
-we all know how our guard play was this year, and its safe to think one of our guards may be released this coming season. We need new blood and Kouandjio could step right in

No way do I see Arie Kouandjio falling to the 4th round... He's likely to go somewhere in the second round...

12-29-2014, 09:25 PM	#1
Sarik 100th Post Join Date: May 2012 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 292	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Here's my scenario Round 1 Plan A-Shane Ray, OLB Plan B-Vic Beasley, OLB Plan C-La'el Collins, OT Plan D-Bernardrick MicKinnley, ILB Round 2 Plan A-Erreck Flowers, OT Plan B-Dorial Green-Beckham(if Flowers is gone), WR Plan C-OLB available(i forgot who I named from MSU) Plan D-OLB available Round 3 Plan A-Ragman or Frost, ILB Plan B-Ragman or Frost, ILB Plan C-Ragman or Frost, ILB Plan D-Corey Robinson, OT Round 4 Plan A-Devin Funchess, WR Plan B-Corey Robinson, OT Plan C-Devin Funchess, WR Plan D-Devin Funchess, WR If we have to draft a RB in case Ingram leaves, hopefully Mike Davis is available in the fourth. We need to start drafting some gamecocks. Listen, heres the thing. Im all for Shane Ray & Vic Beasley as football players. But i cant see us finding a fit for Shane Ray on this team CURRENTLY. What will he play? OLB? junior has that role & we're paying him a hell of alot of money to rush the passer. Thats what shane ray does, he's not yet ready to take on much more than that as he still has to develop & learn to defend the run better, Forget about pass coverage. DE? Undersized for that position(6'3, 240)...not the type of guy the saints or teams usually look at for a 3-4 DE(Cam 6'4 287, Akiem 6'5,324) ..same issue ppl tried to label on michael sam last year but he had about 20 more pounds on him at around 261. Shane ray is a different monster & ALOT more talented though. Replace Haralson? Sure i can see that but then that leaves us with a bigger issue in pass coverage than this year, as haralson was our best passing down option imo. So its just hard to find a spot for him. Vic Beasley has got to put on some weight!(6'2, 235 at best) But i do like him. As i did last year. His only option is an OLB, which still leaves us in the same predicament as shane ray. & i dont exactly believe in Joe Vitt to coach either of them up. I would not be upset with either of these guys though The Saints WILL NOT draft a guy like Dorial Green-Beckham. Even though he is a rare talent(6'6 & can run like a deer.) id personally love to see what he can do, but we wont see that with this organization. They dont usually draft these kind of problems. Too many off the field issues. Last but not least, Devin Funchess will not fall past the 2nd round. Theres no way. hagan714 likes this.

12-30-2014, 10:51 PM	#2
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by Sarik Listen, heres the thing. Im all for Shane Ray & Vic Beasley as football players. But i cant see us finding a fit for Shane Ray on this team CURRENTLY. What will he play? OLB? junior has that role & we're paying him a hell of alot of money to rush the passer. Thats what shane ray does, he's not yet ready to take on much more than that as he still has to develop & learn to defend the run better, Forget about pass coverage. DE? Undersized for that position(6'3, 240)...not the type of guy the saints or teams usually look at for a 3-4 DE(Cam 6'4 287, Akiem 6'5,324) ..same issue ppl tried to label on michael sam last year but he had about 20 more pounds on him at around 261. Shane ray is a different monster & ALOT more talented though. Replace Haralson? Sure i can see that but then that leaves us with a bigger issue in pass coverage than this year, as haralson was our best passing down option imo. So its just hard to find a spot for him. Vic Beasley has got to put on some weight!(6'2, 235 at best) But i do like him. As i did last year. His only option is an OLB, which still leaves us in the same predicament as shane ray. & i dont exactly believe in Joe Vitt to coach either of them up. I would not be upset with either of these guys though The Saints WILL NOT draft a guy like Dorial Green-Beckham. Even though he is a rare talent(6'6 & can run like a deer.) id personally love to see what he can do, but we wont see that with this organization. They dont usually draft these kind of problems. Too many off the field issues. Last but not least, Devin Funchess will not fall past the 2nd round. Theres no way. Ray and Beasly play the same position as Shaq.

12-31-2014, 03:16 PM	#3
Sarik 100th Post Join Date: May 2012 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 292	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Ray and Beasly play the same position as Shaq. Yes, all 3 are labeled "OLB" Shaq is a 4-3 OLB Beasley & Ray are 3-4 OLB...big diffrence. Different skill set & shaq could probably scoot over to a 3-4 ILB. lsutigerfan likes this.

12-29-2014, 09:39 PM	#4
Sarik 100th Post Join Date: May 2012 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 292	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by WillSaints81 If we have to draft a RB in case Ingram leaves, hopefully Mike Davis is available in the fourth. We need to start drafting some gamecocks. Not a bad pick. Drafting an RB could definitely happen. I like the idea of an RB in the middle rounds if Ingram isnt signed. Ameer Abdullah, Jay Ajayi, David Cobb to name a few. Draft is deep at RB so im sure we can find someone i'll like.

12-29-2014, 09:35 PM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: 2015 draft?? For anyone that watched us this year we were defeated upfront all year long. Please get Drew the help he needs. Oline, fix the oline. that will do a lot more than our defense, which until we find a way to get pressure IDC who you stick in the back is't going to matter hagan714 likes this.

12-30-2014, 10:55 PM	#6
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by spkb25 For anyone that watched us this year we were defeated upfront all year long. Please get Drew the help he needs. Oline, fix the oline. that will do a lot more than our defense, which until we find a way to get pressure IDC who you stick in the back is't going to matter Yeah which is why I hope Collins is there when we pick. It's all about mentality more than talent. The teams from the SEC have serious coaches and competition that the players just have to be mentally sharp. I just don't know if we can get that from Scherff immediately. I thought we needed help at OLB. It always helps to have good backups.

12-30-2014, 08:27 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2015 draft?? Gamecocks?!? They are, what did Ralphie's Dad say...They're F-R-A-G-I-L-E'; that's it, they must be Italian...

12-30-2014, 10:44 PM	#8
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: 2015 draft?? I don't get why LSU fans hate SC? They don't play every year and now once every 6 now and are in two different divisions. Really usually what SC does has no bearing on LSU unless they beat a division rival, only until, if it happens, the two meet in the coveted SEC title game.

12-30-2014, 11:16 PM	#9
jjasso007 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 187	Re: 2015 draft?? Latest mock with us having the 13th pick R1P13. VIC BEASLEY - OLB - CLEMSON -Beast! And we need a solid 3-4 OLB who can get after the QB R2P12 - T.J. CLEMMINGS - OT - PITTSBURGH - Strief is getting old, though he still plays well. Clemmings would be a good replacement and give us two solid bookends R3P11. RASHAD GREENE - WR - FLORIDA STATE - solid all around WR who just makes plays. Cooks, Stills and Greene, with big guys Coleman and Jones with Colston as a vet on the team would be great R4P13. ARIE KOUANDJIO - OG - ALABAMA -we all know how our guard play was this year, and its safe to think one of our guards may be released this coming season. We need new blood and Kouandjio could step right in R5P12. STEVEN NELSON - CB - OREGON STATE - he won't have all the "measurables" at the combine, but he plays aggressively, challenges at the line of scrimmage and plays like he's the biggest and baddest mofo on the field. Also great in the run game. We need some toughness out there with Lewis R6P11. DAVID JOHNSON - RB - NORTHERN IOWA - all he did last season was rush for 1553 yards (and 17 TDs) and catch 38 passes for 536 yards and two more TDs. A power runner who is also great out of the backfield. Seeing that Ingram may find more money elsewhere, a new back may be needed R7P13. A.J. JOHNSON - ILB - TENNESSEE - guess his off field issue late in the season has him dropping to the 7th now, which I was more than happy top grab him. Great talent on the field, and only one off field incident I saw. High reward guy at an area we need youth and talent

12-30-2014, 11:25 PM	#10
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by jjasso007 Latest mock with us having the 13th pick R4P13. ARIE KOUANDJIO - OG - ALABAMA -we all know how our guard play was this year, and its safe to think one of our guards may be released this coming season. We need new blood and Kouandjio could step right in No way do I see Arie Kouandjio falling to the 4th round... He's likely to go somewhere in the second round...

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