The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints

blackangold · 12-13-2014, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Not so fast.

I seem to remember Williams's defense being sort of a one trick pony.

They couldn't stop Hasselbeck or Lynch in the playoffs - 41pts
They couldn't stop Alex Smith or Davis in the playoffs - 36pts

The blitz became predictable and ineffective after the 2010 Superbowl.

Not sure how they were ineffective when they were ranked 4th in the NFL...

Those were some of the least talented defenses the Saints have had in the last few decades, Williams deserves more credit then what you are giving him.

RailBoss · 12-12-2014, 04:35 PM

An Empire is what New England has year after year, and Green Bay is starting to look the same way.

AlaskaSaints · 12-12-2014, 06:21 PM

His defense pretty much shut down the Cards last night.
Arguably the best D.C. in the league and I wish we had him back.

lee909 · 12-12-2014, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints

His defense pretty much shut down the Cards last night.
Arguably the best D.C. in the league and I wish we had him back.

If you gave a chimp that D-Line they would play well. The GM deserves credit for getting such a strong line set up there with depth and Ogletree is immense

Mr.Riaton · 12-12-2014, 09:37 PM

GW had Dennis Allen coaching that secondary and I think that helped a lot,and it makes me wonder how much Ryan's D would improve having him back along with other new defensive coaches. Maybe Ryan's scheme isn't as bad as it seems to be...maybe it just needs some better coaching.

The Dude · 12-12-2014, 09:50 PM

I don't know if its a decline and fall. I think we are having a down year. With a QB like Brees coaches like Payton will find a way to right the ship.

vpheughan · 12-12-2014, 10:31 PM

Split those hairs!!! is it 5 wins and 8 losses or 8 losses and 5 wins?

Audiotom · 12-13-2014, 12:45 AM

Williams gambled too much

The last 49 drive in the 2011 playoffs
All he needed to do was go prevent zone

They go man single coverge and dial up a blitz
Williams wants the 49ers to go down with shock and awe
and Vernon Davis smokes us

That could have easily been another Super bowl Champion

blackangold · 12-13-2014, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Audiotom

Williams gambled too much

The last 49 drive in the 2011 playoffs
All he needed to do was go prevent zone

They go man single coverge and dial up a blitz
Williams wants the 49ers to go down with shock and awe
and Vernon Davis smokes us

That could have easily been another Super bowl Champion

Maybe the 49ers don't score so many points if our offense/special teams don't turn the ball over 5 times... lol

Exxcalibur · 12-14-2014, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Audiotom

Williams gambled too much

The last 49 drive in the 2011 playoffs
All he needed to do was go prevent zone

They go man single coverge and dial up a blitz
Williams wants the 49ers to go down with shock and awe
and Vernon Davis smokes us

That could have easily been another Super bowl Champion

Its funny when you think of how much we all hate prevent when it turns up in the 4th quarter.

In other news, I never had problems with bounty gate. I can't recall a game in any code played where we didnt want to go out and hurt the opposition.

12-13-2014, 02:57 PM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Not so fast. I seem to remember Williams's defense being sort of a one trick pony. They couldn't stop Hasselbeck or Lynch in the playoffs - 41pts They couldn't stop Alex Smith or Davis in the playoffs - 36pts The blitz became predictable and ineffective after the 2010 Superbowl. Not sure how they were ineffective when they were ranked 4th in the NFL... Those were some of the least talented defenses the Saints have had in the last few decades, Williams deserves more credit then what you are giving him.

12-12-2014, 04:35 PM	#2
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints An Empire is what New England has year after year, and Green Bay is starting to look the same way. hagan714 and MarchingOn like this.

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AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints His defense pretty much shut down the Cards last night. Arguably the best D.C. in the league and I wish we had him back.

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lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints His defense pretty much shut down the Cards last night. Arguably the best D.C. in the league and I wish we had him back. If you gave a chimp that D-Line they would play well. The GM deserves credit for getting such a strong line set up there with depth and Ogletree is immense brees84 likes this.

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Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints GW had Dennis Allen coaching that secondary and I think that helped a lot,and it makes me wonder how much Ryan's D would improve having him back along with other new defensive coaches. Maybe Ryan's scheme isn't as bad as it seems to be...maybe it just needs some better coaching.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints I don't know if its a decline and fall. I think we are having a down year. With a QB like Brees coaches like Payton will find a way to right the ship.
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vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,546	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints Split those hairs!!! is it 5 wins and 8 losses or 8 losses and 5 wins?
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Audiotom 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints Williams gambled too much The last 49 drive in the 2011 playoffs All he needed to do was go prevent zone They go man single coverge and dial up a blitz Williams wants the 49ers to go down with shock and awe and Vernon Davis smokes us That could have easily been another Super bowl Champion

12-13-2014, 02:59 PM	#9
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints Originally Posted by Audiotom Williams gambled too much The last 49 drive in the 2011 playoffs All he needed to do was go prevent zone They go man single coverge and dial up a blitz Williams wants the 49ers to go down with shock and awe and Vernon Davis smokes us That could have easily been another Super bowl Champion Maybe the 49ers don't score so many points if our offense/special teams don't turn the ball over 5 times... lol

12-14-2014, 12:35 PM	#10
Exxcalibur Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,389	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints Originally Posted by Audiotom Williams gambled too much The last 49 drive in the 2011 playoffs All he needed to do was go prevent zone They go man single coverge and dial up a blitz Williams wants the 49ers to go down with shock and awe and Vernon Davis smokes us That could have easily been another Super bowl Champion Its funny when you think of how much we all hate prevent when it turns up in the 4th quarter. In other news, I never had problems with bounty gate. I can't recall a game in any code played where we didnt want to go out and hurt the opposition.

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