The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints

WhoDat!656 · 12-08-2014, 05:50 PM

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burningmetal · 12-08-2014, 06:09 PM

Right, we suck because we let go of dead weight. This is the NFL... It's rare you keep a team together as long as the Saints did with virtually the same players, and it sure can't last forever. Good franchises find ways to transition. Those players we let go weren't producing, and three of them barely could stay healthy. Only Sproles was remotely effective. So they got let go.

Now, if other franchises can make the transition why can't we? It's not about the players who left, and losing "leadership". There are enough veterans to lead. No one has done so.

Danno · 12-08-2014, 06:16 PM

True, its not about the guys we let go nearly as much as it is about the guys that are currently on the roster that aren't living up to expectations on and off the field.

Mardigras9 · 12-12-2014, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

True, its not about the guys we let go nearly as much as it is about the guys that are currently on the roster that aren't living up to expectations on and off the field.

This ^.

But yet, still with a shot. Season is not over.

Rugby Saint II · 12-11-2014, 07:00 PM

The fall of the Payton empire will be his ego.

spkb25 · 12-11-2014, 07:02 PM

One bad year does not mean we will not be good again

Danno · 12-11-2014, 07:03 PM

Aren't decline and fall kinda the same thing?

School of Redundancy School?

jeanpierre · 12-11-2014, 08:38 PM

Actually, 'decline' suggests a gradual degrade in strength...

i.e. 'This thing is going down hill'

Whereas, 'fall' suggests a rapid, acute, punctuated degrade...

i.e. 'This thing just went off the cliff'

saintsfan1976 · 12-12-2014, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Actually, 'decline' suggests a gradual degrade in strength...

i.e. 'This thing is going down hill'

Whereas, 'fall' suggests a rapid, acute, punctuated degrade...

i.e. 'This thing just went off the cliff'

Rollercoaster.

That's how I'd characterize 2014.

Another "effort" like we saw vs Carolina and not only is the season over but....

UK_WhoDat · 12-13-2014, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Actually, 'decline' suggests a gradual degrade in strength...
i.e. 'This thing is going down hill'

Whereas, 'fall' suggests a rapid, acute, punctuated degrade...
i.e. 'This thing just went off the cliff'

Yep
Unless you are Buzz Lightyear

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints Right, we suck because we let go of dead weight. This is the NFL... It's rare you keep a team together as long as the Saints did with virtually the same players, and it sure can't last forever. Good franchises find ways to transition. Those players we let go weren't producing, and three of them barely could stay healthy. Only Sproles was remotely effective. So they got let go. Now, if other franchises can make the transition why can't we? It's not about the players who left, and losing "leadership". There are enough veterans to lead. No one has done so. UK_WhoDat, Danno, jlouhill and 1 others like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints True, its not about the guys we let go nearly as much as it is about the guys that are currently on the roster that aren't living up to expectations on and off the field. spkb25, SmashMouth and dam1953 like this.

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Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints Originally Posted by Danno True, its not about the guys we let go nearly as much as it is about the guys that are currently on the roster that aren't living up to expectations on and off the field. This ^. But yet, still with a shot. Season is not over. Danno likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,119	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints The fall of the Payton empire will be his ego.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints One bad year does not mean we will not be good again jnormand, hagan714, SaintFanQ and 3 others like this.

12-11-2014, 07:03 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints Aren't decline and fall kinda the same thing? School of Redundancy School? jnormand, Euphoria, RailBoss and 1 others like this.

12-11-2014, 08:38 PM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints Actually, 'decline' suggests a gradual degrade in strength... i.e. 'This thing is going down hill' Whereas, 'fall' suggests a rapid, acute, punctuated degrade... i.e. 'This thing just went off the cliff' UK_WhoDat, hagan714, SloMotion and 1 others like this.
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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,975 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Actually, 'decline' suggests a gradual degrade in strength... i.e. 'This thing is going down hill' Whereas, 'fall' suggests a rapid, acute, punctuated degrade... i.e. 'This thing just went off the cliff' Rollercoaster. That's how I'd characterize 2014. Another "effort" like we saw vs Carolina and not only is the season over but.... captainshawn likes this.

12-13-2014, 03:15 PM	#10
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,000	Re: The Decline and Fall of Payton’s Empire, or How the Culture of Gregg Williams Ruined the Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Actually, 'decline' suggests a gradual degrade in strength... i.e. 'This thing is going down hill' Whereas, 'fall' suggests a rapid, acute, punctuated degrade... i.e. 'This thing just went off the cliff' Yep Unless you are Buzz Lightyear

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