A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees

Jack Vegas · 12-31-2014, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

The eternal salary cap question is 'If you pay a star a ton of money, how can you have enough to pay your support players'? (see Bushrod, Jermon)

My question has always been 'How much is enough'? Brees has earned $125 million in salary alone. He earned $40m in 2012 (as some of us look at the final paycheck of the year, just know that DB was making $109,000 per day)

we will soon learn if Brees wants to win in his final years, or if he wants to fatten the nest egg

A. Bushrod has stunk it up in Chicago, and we replaced him with Armstead
B. Brees is like the 4th or 5th highest paid QB in the league now. That contract is a relative bargain.
C. You really think Brees doesn't care about winning and would rather just make more money? GTFO. Some of you people need your heads examined.

SaintFanQ · 12-31-2014, 12:15 PM

Yes Brees had a bad season this year, especially by his standards, you could see the disappointment on his face in the post game interviews after the games we lost.

He does everything he can to help this team win and I hope he is here for a few more seasons yet. . . . . . How can anyone expect any QB to perform well, behind an O line like ours, its awful, absolutely awful!!!!

Brees was thrown to the turf on many occasions this season and always seemed to be scrambling for his life to avoid another big hit or being sacked . . again!

No QB can have a stella season under those conditions!!!!

I think we should consider ourselves lucky to have won the games that we did!!!

GEAUX SAINTS!

ScottF · 12-31-2014, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

A. Bushrod has stunk it up in Chicago, and we replaced him with Armstead
B. Brees is like the 4th or 5th highest paid QB in the league now. That contract is a relative bargain.
C. You really think Brees doesn't care about winning and would rather just make more money? GTFO. Some of you people need your heads examined.

A. Bushrod was solid for us and was in the Pro Bowl. He was actually replaced by Brown while Armstead was inactive for 13 games

B. Brees is also the 4th or 5th best QB, so how exactly is that a bargain?

C. How do you know what his priorities are? Again, he has made $125 million in his career, and ended up getting every penny he asked for when he held out in 2012. This is a man who is going to get his money

hagan714 · 12-31-2014, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

B. Brees is like the 4th or 5th highest paid QB in the league now. That contract is a relative bargain.

But those 3 or 4 ahead of him do not have the security he does with that contract. he has a 99% chance of collecting every penny the others do not.

just ask kapa=puck in san fran. niners have a huge bail out every year built in.

i bet he will have a 10% chance he will get 75% of that contract

that is the difference

Danno · 12-31-2014, 05:07 PM

Restructure and extend Brees just 1 more year (2017), and his cap drops to 18 million per season, which puts him about 7th among QB's. And with other QB's coming up for renewal it'll likely be about the 10th highest QB contract.

I'll take Brees at 18mill per season and LMMFAO at the Brees haters.

vtiger72 · 12-31-2014, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Drew will be a FA in 2017. I see them taking care of him this year. 4 year 50 million. Roughly 13 million a year. Frees up cap space and gives him 2 extra years of security. His cap hit this year is 26.4 million. That would free up 13.4 million this year and 14.4 million in 2016. That's a lot to secure our future.

That deal would be great for the Saints, but I'm not sure Drew agrees to it. For him to agree with that deal, he would have to think that after 2016, the best he could get is 2/12. If he plays out the next two years he will get 18.75 in 2015 and 19.75 in 2016.

What is likely to have to happen is they fully guarantee the 38.5 and extend 3 more years.

The deal could look something like this- (numbers approx)

15 and of 2015 turned to signing bonus which would create a 14 million cap hit in 2015.
Reduce 2016 salary to 10 million( fully guaranteed) creating 20 million cap hit in 2016
2017- Fully guaranteed 20 million salary creating a 23 million cap hit in 2017.
2018- 20 million salary (10 guaranteed) creating a 23 million cap hit in 2018
2019- 20 million salary (0 guaranteed) creating a 23 million cap hit in 2019.

This contract would pretty much guarantee Brees retires a Saint. It takes no money away from him and actually adds 20 million in guarantees. It gives the Saints some flexibility in 2015 and a little more in 2016. Brees could be cut after 2017 with only 16 million in dead money and after 2018 with only 3.

hagan714 · 12-31-2014, 05:35 PM

take a look at the Brady deal

Under the new deal, Brady changed the $24 million in "skill" guarantee to only "injury" guarantee, meaning that Brady now would get the guaranteed money only if he was injured.

Brady also now can be released by the Patriots without any liability, but he then would become an unrestricted free agent, free to command the type of guaranteed money he has agreed to surrender.

Brady will receive a $1 million bump in each of the three remaining years of the deal. His base salaries will now be $8 million in 2016, $9 million in 2016 and $10 million in 2018.

Tom Brady restructures contract to give New England Patriots $24 million more in cash - ESPN Boston

Does Drew have the same faith in the saints as Tom has in the pats?

Or and I hate to say this, but does Drew care as much as Tom does?

halloween 65 · 12-31-2014, 09:23 PM

I would keep him at what the deal is now, no extention. Two seasons is not that long. If he still has it, go from there. If we have another bad season like this one was, Payton might be in the fire. If that would happen with another coach with a new system Brees would more than likely not want to stay.

44Champs · 01-01-2015, 05:34 AM

Anyone notice that there are no more discussions of Brees being in the same league as Brady and Manning? Brady and Manning continue to make the people around them better. Until Brees does the same I wont ever believe that he was worth the money we paid him.

dizzle88 · 01-01-2015, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

I fully expect a deal to get done. if not either Drew of the Saints front office is not what i believed them to be,

I would not be surprised if Drew puts two demands on the table

1 stop screwing with the OL
2 Get it fixed NOW

It was Brees' contract that led to us losing Carl Nicks

If anyone is to blame for the O line being lackluster its Brees because of the huge contract.

12-31-2014, 11:47 AM	#11
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees Originally Posted by ScottF The eternal salary cap question is 'If you pay a star a ton of money, how can you have enough to pay your support players'? (see Bushrod, Jermon) My question has always been 'How much is enough'? Brees has earned $125 million in salary alone. He earned $40m in 2012 (as some of us look at the final paycheck of the year, just know that DB was making $109,000 per day) we will soon learn if Brees wants to win in his final years, or if he wants to fatten the nest egg A. Bushrod has stunk it up in Chicago, and we replaced him with Armstead B. Brees is like the 4th or 5th highest paid QB in the league now. That contract is a relative bargain. C. You really think Brees doesn't care about winning and would rather just make more money? GTFO. Some of you people need your heads examined. Jamessr and captainshawn like this.
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12-31-2014, 12:15 PM	#12
SaintFanQ Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Leicester, England Posts: 792	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees Yes Brees had a bad season this year, especially by his standards, you could see the disappointment on his face in the post game interviews after the games we lost. He does everything he can to help this team win and I hope he is here for a few more seasons yet. . . . . . How can anyone expect any QB to perform well, behind an O line like ours, its awful, absolutely awful!!!! Brees was thrown to the turf on many occasions this season and always seemed to be scrambling for his life to avoid another big hit or being sacked . . again! No QB can have a stella season under those conditions!!!! I think we should consider ourselves lucky to have won the games that we did!!! GEAUX SAINTS! Rugby Saint II and captainshawn like this.

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees Originally Posted by Jack Vegas A. Bushrod has stunk it up in Chicago, and we replaced him with Armstead B. Brees is like the 4th or 5th highest paid QB in the league now. That contract is a relative bargain. C. You really think Brees doesn't care about winning and would rather just make more money? GTFO. Some of you people need your heads examined. A. Bushrod was solid for us and was in the Pro Bowl. He was actually replaced by Brown while Armstead was inactive for 13 games B. Brees is also the 4th or 5th best QB, so how exactly is that a bargain? C. How do you know what his priorities are? Again, he has made $125 million in his career, and ended up getting every penny he asked for when he held out in 2012. This is a man who is going to get his money blackangold likes this.

12-31-2014, 05:02 PM	#14
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees Originally Posted by Jack Vegas B. Brees is like the 4th or 5th highest paid QB in the league now. That contract is a relative bargain. But those 3 or 4 ahead of him do not have the security he does with that contract. he has a 99% chance of collecting every penny the others do not. just ask kapa=puck in san fran. niners have a huge bail out every year built in. i bet he will have a 10% chance he will get 75% of that contract that is the difference

12-31-2014, 05:07 PM	#15
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees Restructure and extend Brees just 1 more year (2017), and his cap drops to 18 million per season, which puts him about 7th among QB's. And with other QB's coming up for renewal it'll likely be about the 10th highest QB contract. I'll take Brees at 18mill per season and LMMFAO at the Brees haters.

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vtiger72 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 185	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees Originally Posted by voodooido Drew will be a FA in 2017. I see them taking care of him this year. 4 year 50 million. Roughly 13 million a year. Frees up cap space and gives him 2 extra years of security. His cap hit this year is 26.4 million. That would free up 13.4 million this year and 14.4 million in 2016. That's a lot to secure our future. That deal would be great for the Saints, but I'm not sure Drew agrees to it. For him to agree with that deal, he would have to think that after 2016, the best he could get is 2/12. If he plays out the next two years he will get 18.75 in 2015 and 19.75 in 2016. What is likely to have to happen is they fully guarantee the 38.5 and extend 3 more years. The deal could look something like this- (numbers approx) 15 and of 2015 turned to signing bonus which would create a 14 million cap hit in 2015. Reduce 2016 salary to 10 million( fully guaranteed) creating 20 million cap hit in 2016 2017- Fully guaranteed 20 million salary creating a 23 million cap hit in 2017. 2018- 20 million salary (10 guaranteed) creating a 23 million cap hit in 2018 2019- 20 million salary (0 guaranteed) creating a 23 million cap hit in 2019. This contract would pretty much guarantee Brees retires a Saint. It takes no money away from him and actually adds 20 million in guarantees. It gives the Saints some flexibility in 2015 and a little more in 2016. Brees could be cut after 2017 with only 16 million in dead money and after 2018 with only 3. captainshawn likes this.
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12-31-2014, 05:35 PM	#17
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees take a look at the Brady deal Under the new deal, Brady changed the $24 million in "skill" guarantee to only "injury" guarantee, meaning that Brady now would get the guaranteed money only if he was injured. Brady also now can be released by the Patriots without any liability, but he then would become an unrestricted free agent, free to command the type of guaranteed money he has agreed to surrender. Brady will receive a $1 million bump in each of the three remaining years of the deal. His base salaries will now be $8 million in 2016, $9 million in 2016 and $10 million in 2018. Tom Brady restructures contract to give New England Patriots $24 million more in cash - ESPN Boston Does Drew have the same faith in the saints as Tom has in the pats? Or and I hate to say this, but does Drew care as much as Tom does?
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees I would keep him at what the deal is now, no extention. Two seasons is not that long. If he still has it, go from there. If we have another bad season like this one was, Payton might be in the fire. If that would happen with another coach with a new system Brees would more than likely not want to stay.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,118	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees Originally Posted by hagan714 I fully expect a deal to get done. if not either Drew of the Saints front office is not what i believed them to be, I would not be surprised if Drew puts two demands on the table 1 stop screwing with the OL 2 Get it fixed NOW It was Brees' contract that led to us losing Carl Nicks If anyone is to blame for the O line being lackluster its Brees because of the huge contract. ScottF and jeanpierre like this.

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