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Old 01-01-2015, 09:54 AM   #1
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Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees

Drew deserved the contract he got. He played in New Orleans for below market value for the entire first contract. At any time, the Saints could have torn up that deal and given him more money in those years to keep low the money they had to pay him in the future. They chose to milk the value of the depressed deal he had to sign when he left SD and then hope for goodwill when Drew signed his next contract. When looking at the big cap hits for 2015-16, one must remember that the deal only averaged out at 20/year which is the going rate for top QBs. Drew helped the Saints cap in the first three years of the deal by structuring it in a way to allow them to be able to sign a player like Grubbs or give Graham his money.
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Drew deserved the contract he got. He played in New Orleans for below market value for the entire first contract. .
Brees got $10 million a year in that contract, coming off an injury and with very few other teams interested.
Miami Dolphins: Nick Saban Says Team Offered Drew Brees Contract in 2006 | Bleacher Report

He was underpaid by year 4, but a 25% raise in 2006 over 2005 for a QB with an injured shoulder isn't a bad deal
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Drew deserved the contract he got. He played in New Orleans for below market value for the entire first contract.
How do you play for under market value? Brees agreed to the terms of the deal and no one was looking at him at that point. If anything we overpaid for a QB coming off of a injury that some thought would end his career....lol

Market Value= what teams are willing to pay for said player, not what other players have been paid.
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How do you play for under market value? Brees agreed to the terms of the deal and no one was looking at him at that point. If anything we overpaid for a QB coming off of a injury that some thought would end his career....lol

Market Value= what teams are willing to pay for said player, not what other players have been paid.
Under that logic, then Brees is not overpaid now. The Saints agreed to the contract he received and structured it in the way they did. Had the Saints not signed him to that, he could have easily eclipsed it on the open market. Granted, another team likely would have structured it differently so that the cap hits were not so dramatic in the last two years. But, the Saints needed space those first three years and structured it so they could receive it. So, if the Saints willingly signed that contract it proved he was worth it. Why should they come to him now asking him to reduce what he is being paid?
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Under that logic, then Brees is not overpaid now. The Saints agreed to the contract he received and structured it in the way they did. Had the Saints not signed him to that, he could have easily eclipsed it on the open market. Granted, another team likely would have structured it differently so that the cap hits were not so dramatic in the last two years. But, the Saints needed space those first three years and structured it so they could receive it. So, if the Saints willingly signed that contract it proved he was worth it. Why should they come to him now asking him to reduce what he is being paid?
I never said brees should take less money due to his market value. Brees should take less uf he wants to win just like Brady did.
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Under that logic, then Brees is not overpaid now. The Saints agreed to the contract he received and structured it in the way they did. Had the Saints not signed him to that, he could have easily eclipsed it on the open market. Granted, another team likely would have structured it differently so that the cap hits were not so dramatic in the last two years. But, the Saints needed space those first three years and structured it so they could receive it. So, if the Saints willingly signed that contract it proved he was worth it. Why should they come to him now asking him to reduce what he is being paid?
Because that formula hasn't worked. Paying one superstar 20% of the cap bastardized our line: downgrades at three positions.
Brees is a smart man, but he has lost a Pro Bowl left tackle, an All-Pro guard, and a serviceable center. He can choose to get sacked and land on a fat wallet , or give up a little dough and get that extra half second in the pocket. Everyone knows that with time Brees can make any receiver look like Calvin Johnson
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Because that formula hasn't worked. Paying one superstar 20% of the cap bastardized our line: downgrades at three positions.
Brees is a smart man, but he has lost a Pro Bowl left tackle, an All-Pro guard, and a serviceable center. He can choose to get sacked and land on a fat wallet , or give up a little dough and get that extra half second in the pocket. Everyone knows that with time Brees can make any receiver look like Calvin Johnson
Or the both the player can get paid and Saints could get room now, by extending Brees at market value where the dead money and hit to the cap will come in years that Brees will no longer be with the Saints. This would be a good deal for Brees and cause the Saints issues when he is no longer for the team. That may not be something the team is willing to do.
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Drew deserved the contract he got. He played in New Orleans for below market value for the entire first contract. At any time, the Saints could have torn up that deal and given him more money in those years to keep low the money they had to pay him in the future. They chose to milk the value of the depressed deal he had to sign when he left SD and then hope for goodwill when Drew signed his next contract. When looking at the big cap hits for 2015-16, one must remember that the deal only averaged out at 20/year which is the going rate for top QBs. Drew helped the Saints cap in the first three years of the deal by structuring it in a way to allow them to be able to sign a player like Grubbs or give Graham his money.
Wait, What Market?!? Herb, we got a fact check on Aisle Nine...

It was Miami, San Diego and New Orleans - that was it. And New Orleans offered the most money, guaranteed money...

Fact, it was a three team market and San Diego had Rivers, the Great Nick Sanboni and Dolphins lowballed and Loomis got rick-rolled by Condon...

Source: The full story on why Brees isn't a Dolphin | Miami Dolphins In Depth

Difference in ignorance vs stupid is choosing to believe some bio written by Brees' pressers that he wanted to help save New Orleans after Katrina out of some noblesse oblige...

So if anything, Brees could have returned the faith, as well as some salary cap, roster awareness, and signed for a little less to get Nicks et al done...

Choosing not to drink the Kool-aid, or not taking the blue pill or sucking off some tail-pipe fumes make you no less a fan...

Brees is here because we offered the most guaranteed money...
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Wait, What Market?!? Herb, we got a fact check on Aisle Nine...

It was Miami, San Diego and New Orleans - that was it. And New Orleans offered the most money, guaranteed money...

Fact, it was a three team market and San Diego had Rivers, the Great Nick Sanboni and Dolphins lowballed and Loomis got rick-rolled by Condon...

Source: The full story on why Brees isn't a Dolphin | Miami Dolphins In Depth

Difference in ignorance vs stupid is choosing to believe some bio written by Brees' pressers that he wanted to help save New Orleans after Katrina out of some noblesse oblige...

So if anything, Brees could have returned the faith, as well as some salary cap, roster awareness, and signed for a little less to get Nicks et al done...

Choosing not to drink the Kool-aid, or not taking the blue pill or sucking off some tail-pipe fumes make you no less a fan...

Brees is here because we offered the most guaranteed money...
Agreed that Brees came to NO because the Saints offered the most guaranteed money, but it was clear by the second year of that deal that Brees was outplaying it. At that time, the Saints had the choice of either enjoying the benefits of having a QB playing very well on a deal that was less than what other QBs at that level were being paid, or giving him a new deal which would up his current level of pay, yet buy some future years at a cost lower than they might pay. The Saints and Brees chose to ride out the former deal, so when Brees negotiated he asked for and received the going rate for elite QBs, which has since been surpassed by non-elite QBs. He even did so in a way that gave the Saints greater flexibility in the first three years.

This dilemma isn't unique. The Seahawks are going to face it with Wilson. He's been cheap on his rookie deal. They have let him play that out, but will have to pay market value to keep him if they choose. They benefited from the low cost rookie deal, but it won't be Russell's fault if he asks for and receives the going rate.

Everyone wants to put this on the players while the owners rake in money. The salary cap is there because the owners want it there. They want protection from themselves. They want to be able to look at us fans and say, "sorry, but we want to keep our teams together or sign better players, but the cap prohibits how much we can." Well. who put the cap in place? Surely not the players. The cap exists because owners put it there. And the owners surely don't pay players who play better than their contracts unless they have to.

So, to fault Brees over the contract he signed and expect him to fix the mess is ludicrous. Why not ask Galette to give back some money? OR tell Byrd that he was hurt all last season so he should give it back? Or tell Grubbs to? Because they won't do it and shouldn't have to.
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Agreed that Brees came to NO because the Saints offered the most guaranteed money, but it was clear by the second year of that deal that Brees was outplaying it. At that time, the Saints had the choice of either enjoying the benefits of having a QB playing very well on a deal that was less than what other QBs at that level were being paid, or giving him a new deal which would up his current level of pay, yet buy some future years at a cost lower than they might pay. The Saints and Brees chose to ride out the former deal, so when Brees negotiated he asked for and received the going rate for elite QBs, which has since been surpassed by non-elite QBs. He even did so in a way that gave the Saints greater flexibility in the first three years.

This dilemma isn't unique. The Seahawks are going to face it with Wilson. He's been cheap on his rookie deal. They have let him play that out, but will have to pay market value to keep him if they choose. They benefited from the low cost rookie deal, but it won't be Russell's fault if he asks for and receives the going rate.

Everyone wants to put this on the players while the owners rake in money. The salary cap is there because the owners want it there. They want protection from themselves. They want to be able to look at us fans and say, "sorry, but we want to keep our teams together or sign better players, but the cap prohibits how much we can." Well. who put the cap in place? Surely not the players. The cap exists because owners put it there. And the owners surely don't pay players who play better than their contracts unless they have to.

So, to fault Brees over the contract he signed and expect him to fix the mess is ludicrous. Why not ask Galette to give back some money? OR tell Byrd that he was hurt all last season so he should give it back? Or tell Grubbs to? Because they won't do it and shouldn't have to.
First, your missing the point. No one expwcrs brees to take less money, it would be nice if he did but its not expected. If brees wants another title then making a cap friendly extension is something he should do.

Secondly, while the owners put the cap in place it isn't there to "protect them from themselves". The cap is around to protect the league from the union and more importantly to even the playing field. Some owners couldn't afford to be competitive without a cap, and without a cap we would have a few teams buying every player and creating dynasties.
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