Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks

SaintsBro · 03-12-2015, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

if it was Graham that Wilson was targeting instead of Lockett, they may have very well scored on that last play.

^^^ This. Graham in the red zone is STILL something that almost nobody can stop. He has maybe dropped one or two, but other than that he has been absolutely formidable in the red zone and that is how I see Seattle using him. That goal line play where Jimmy runs like two paces into the end zone, turns around and Drew chucks it to him; I can see Seattle and Wilson doing a lot of that.

|Mitch| · 03-12-2015, 01:34 PM

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-11-2015, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

Obviously a long way to go with many players getting deals but look at the list scheduled to be FA next summer

WR
Dez Bryant
Demaryus Thomas
Julio Jones
AJ Green

The last two will be franchised. The first two will most likely sign long term deals between now and the start of training camp.

Just as we had to do last year with JG, their respective teams will do whatever it takes to keep their players.

They are not going to get into the free agent market.

Also as always I have to throw my two cents in about what I view as playing fantasy football. In the 5 years that JG was with the Saints, Brees has thrown for 25387 yards, 2450 completions, and 194 TDs in the regular season. Graham has caught 4700+ yards, 386 receptions and 51 TDs during that span. That means that over 20000 yards, 2100 receptions, and nearly 150 TDs have been thrown by Brees to someone other than Graham in the last 5 years. So why is there the instant thought process that without Graham that suddenly the offense is going to stop producing?

In the last 9 years the Saints have had a top offense virtually each and every year, with or without Graham. There's no reason to think this will not continue.

So instead of playing fantasy football, why not focus on the true problems. That would be defense, special teams, and O-line (mostly from the health perspective)?

SFIAH

nola_swammi · 03-11-2015, 03:08 AM

4 til 5 years! Do you really think Drew have 4 til 5 years? I think they could've got a higher or more draft picks for Jimmy. I think Jimmy was injured that's why he wasn't that dominant as the years before. I don't see why they're looking for a center when it's obvious Evans or Grubbs need to be replaced.

If they wanted to send a message to the team with this trade, it was carried out and time will tell if it was negative or positive. More likely they going to want their guarantee up front due to fact they seeing how Sproles, now. Graham being traded out

burningmetal · 03-11-2015, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

4 til 5 years! Do you really think Drew have 4 til 5 years? I think they could've got a higher or more draft picks for Jimmy. I think Jimmy was injured that's why he wasn't that dominant as the years before. I don't see why they're looking for a center when it's obvious Evans or Grubbs need to be replaced.

If they wanted to send a message to the team with this trade, it was carried out and time will tell if it was negative or positive. More likely they going to want their guarantee up front due to fact they seeing how Sproles, now. Graham being traded out

You seem convinced that this is about Jimmy not being good enough. He definitely drew the ire of some fans, myself included, for disappearing at times but this move, in my opinion, is not a negative reflection on jimmy, but just an understanding by the Saints that they might have put too many eggs in one basket and they traded him for the opportunity to sign other players in positions of need. Something that has been needed a while now.

nola_swammi · 03-11-2015, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

You seem convinced that this is about Jimmy not being good enough. He definitely drew the ire of some fans, myself included, for disappearing at times but this move, in my opinion, is not a negative reflection on jimmy, but just an understanding by the Saints that they might have put two many eggs in one basket and they traded him for the opportunity to sign other players in positions of need. Something that has been needed a while now.

This wasnt a cap relief so they can sign more players cause Jimmy renewed his contract last year and the guarantees and bonuses must be accounted for. Maybe next year it might be some relief

lee909 · 03-11-2015, 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

This wasnt a cap relief so they can sign more players cause Jimmy renewed his contract last year and the guarantees and bonuses must be accounted for. Maybe next year it might be some relief

All the cap bonus comes next year which shows its just a cap move.

As things are the Saints have 17ml in free cap space in 2017 after last night.
Thats before any changes on the deals Colston,Bunkley,Evans,Grubbs, Hawthorne have if they are still on the books and Drews 27.5ml cap number all should change next year. Though the team needs to re-sign/replace Cam,Hicks,K.Robison and Hill who are all FA.

Just cut Bunk,Hawthrone and Grubbs and you have 38ml and we know hat Colston and evans are not seeing $10ml each

Ths whole thing to me reads that the coachs and front office are pissed iwth player attitudes and know the team has become predictable in big games and are planning a quick turnover of talent

burningmetal · 03-11-2015, 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

This wasnt a cap relief so they can sign more players cause Jimmy renewed his contract last year and the guarantees and bonuses must be accounted for. Maybe next year it might be some relief

It's not merely a cap relief move, but it's surely a big part of it. It's not all about this year it's about being able to afford players from year to year, and so getting that relief makes a big difference. I don't know why you would discount that.

spkb25 · 03-11-2015, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

4 til 5 years! Do you really think Drew have 4 til 5 years? I think they could've got a higher or more draft picks for Jimmy. I think Jimmy was injured that's why he wasn't that dominant as the years before. I don't see why they're looking for a center when it's obvious Evans or Grubbs need to be replaced.

If they wanted to send a message to the team with this trade, it was carried out and time will tell if it was negative or positive. More likely they going to want their guarantee up front due to fact they seeing how Sproles, now. Graham being traded out

Dude our main issues were on the interior of the line and center was by far the most needed position. Evans was hurt all year, apparently so let's do a wait and see on him, and Grubbs may end up gone, don't know. I really would love to see that big ol boy from Iowa come here, oh my I salivate at the idea.

Jimmy was injured, but maybe it was a situation where we needed a proven center, and it was a get what we can for him while we can. I am sad to see him go, love the dude, but we have more needs and as someone said, if Unger plays close to his 2013 level and is healthy (he is only 28) that will go a longer way to helping this team than keeping JG. I agree, but I could be wrong.

spkb25 · 03-11-2015, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

4 til 5 years! Do you really think Drew have 4 til 5 years? I think they could've got a higher or more draft picks for Jimmy. I think Jimmy was injured that's why he wasn't that dominant as the years before. I don't see why they're looking for a center when it's obvious Evans or Grubbs need to be replaced.

If they wanted to send a message to the team with this trade, it was carried out and time will tell if it was negative or positive. More likely they going to want their guarantee up front due to fact they seeing how Sproles, now. Graham being traded out

Drew 4-5 years, yes if we have a line for him.

03-12-2015, 09:34 AM	#1
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by SloMotion if it was Graham that Wilson was targeting instead of Lockett, they may have very well scored on that last play. ^^^ This. Graham in the red zone is STILL something that almost nobody can stop. He has maybe dropped one or two, but other than that he has been absolutely formidable in the red zone and that is how I see Seattle using him. That goal line play where Jimmy runs like two paces into the end zone, turns around and Drew chucks it to him; I can see Seattle and Wilson doing a lot of that.

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SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by lee909 Obviously a long way to go with many players getting deals but look at the list scheduled to be FA next summer WR Dez Bryant Demaryus Thomas Julio Jones AJ Green The last two will be franchised. The first two will most likely sign long term deals between now and the start of training camp. Just as we had to do last year with JG, their respective teams will do whatever it takes to keep their players. They are not going to get into the free agent market. Also as always I have to throw my two cents in about what I view as playing fantasy football. In the 5 years that JG was with the Saints, Brees has thrown for 25387 yards, 2450 completions, and 194 TDs in the regular season. Graham has caught 4700+ yards, 386 receptions and 51 TDs during that span. That means that over 20000 yards, 2100 receptions, and nearly 150 TDs have been thrown by Brees to someone other than Graham in the last 5 years. So why is there the instant thought process that without Graham that suddenly the offense is going to stop producing? In the last 9 years the Saints have had a top offense virtually each and every year, with or without Graham. There's no reason to think this will not continue. So instead of playing fantasy football, why not focus on the true problems. That would be defense, special teams, and O-line (mostly from the health perspective)? SFIAH
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03-11-2015, 03:08 AM	#4
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks 4 til 5 years! Do you really think Drew have 4 til 5 years? I think they could've got a higher or more draft picks for Jimmy. I think Jimmy was injured that's why he wasn't that dominant as the years before. I don't see why they're looking for a center when it's obvious Evans or Grubbs need to be replaced. If they wanted to send a message to the team with this trade, it was carried out and time will tell if it was negative or positive. More likely they going to want their guarantee up front due to fact they seeing how Sproles, now. Graham being traded out

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi 4 til 5 years! Do you really think Drew have 4 til 5 years? I think they could've got a higher or more draft picks for Jimmy. I think Jimmy was injured that's why he wasn't that dominant as the years before. I don't see why they're looking for a center when it's obvious Evans or Grubbs need to be replaced. If they wanted to send a message to the team with this trade, it was carried out and time will tell if it was negative or positive. More likely they going to want their guarantee up front due to fact they seeing how Sproles, now. Graham being traded out You seem convinced that this is about Jimmy not being good enough. He definitely drew the ire of some fans, myself included, for disappearing at times but this move, in my opinion, is not a negative reflection on jimmy, but just an understanding by the Saints that they might have put too many eggs in one basket and they traded him for the opportunity to sign other players in positions of need. Something that has been needed a while now.

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nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by burningmetal You seem convinced that this is about Jimmy not being good enough. He definitely drew the ire of some fans, myself included, for disappearing at times but this move, in my opinion, is not a negative reflection on jimmy, but just an understanding by the Saints that they might have put two many eggs in one basket and they traded him for the opportunity to sign other players in positions of need. Something that has been needed a while now. This wasnt a cap relief so they can sign more players cause Jimmy renewed his contract last year and the guarantees and bonuses must be accounted for. Maybe next year it might be some relief

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lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi This wasnt a cap relief so they can sign more players cause Jimmy renewed his contract last year and the guarantees and bonuses must be accounted for. Maybe next year it might be some relief All the cap bonus comes next year which shows its just a cap move. As things are the Saints have 17ml in free cap space in 2017 after last night. Thats before any changes on the deals Colston,Bunkley,Evans,Grubbs, Hawthorne have if they are still on the books and Drews 27.5ml cap number all should change next year. Though the team needs to re-sign/replace Cam,Hicks,K.Robison and Hill who are all FA. Just cut Bunk,Hawthrone and Grubbs and you have 38ml and we know hat Colston and evans are not seeing $10ml each Ths whole thing to me reads that the coachs and front office are pissed iwth player attitudes and know the team has become predictable in big games and are planning a quick turnover of talent
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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi This wasnt a cap relief so they can sign more players cause Jimmy renewed his contract last year and the guarantees and bonuses must be accounted for. Maybe next year it might be some relief It's not merely a cap relief move, but it's surely a big part of it. It's not all about this year it's about being able to afford players from year to year, and so getting that relief makes a big difference. I don't know why you would discount that.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,119	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi 4 til 5 years! Do you really think Drew have 4 til 5 years? I think they could've got a higher or more draft picks for Jimmy. I think Jimmy was injured that's why he wasn't that dominant as the years before. I don't see why they're looking for a center when it's obvious Evans or Grubbs need to be replaced. If they wanted to send a message to the team with this trade, it was carried out and time will tell if it was negative or positive. More likely they going to want their guarantee up front due to fact they seeing how Sproles, now. Graham being traded out Dude our main issues were on the interior of the line and center was by far the most needed position. Evans was hurt all year, apparently so let's do a wait and see on him, and Grubbs may end up gone, don't know. I really would love to see that big ol boy from Iowa come here, oh my I salivate at the idea. Jimmy was injured, but maybe it was a situation where we needed a proven center, and it was a get what we can for him while we can. I am sad to see him go, love the dude, but we have more needs and as someone said, if Unger plays close to his 2013 level and is healthy (he is only 28) that will go a longer way to helping this team than keeping JG. I agree, but I could be wrong.
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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,119	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi 4 til 5 years! Do you really think Drew have 4 til 5 years? I think they could've got a higher or more draft picks for Jimmy. I think Jimmy was injured that's why he wasn't that dominant as the years before. I don't see why they're looking for a center when it's obvious Evans or Grubbs need to be replaced. If they wanted to send a message to the team with this trade, it was carried out and time will tell if it was negative or positive. More likely they going to want their guarantee up front due to fact they seeing how Sproles, now. Graham being traded out Drew 4-5 years, yes if we have a line for him.

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