Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks

03-11-2015, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Sometimes I wonder if we have people in this forum that work with the saints PR to always try to make something positive out of something that don't make sense. Of course I am always going to be pulling for my saints but dayum, I don't want to go back to the days of being the butt of all jokes or not having a decent come back to all the haters. This don't make sense, JG was injured and still suiting up to play often as decoy. If you going to trade him why trade him to a team we will most likely have to face in the playoffs and make them stronger,,surely 16 teams in the AFc would' ve love to make that trade and 15 of them would've given us a higher draft pick than 31 overall pick

I often find myself wondering why people always want to justify any move the Saints make, but this actually isn't one of them.

I don't see this as anyone hating on Jimmy, either. People are just realizing that we have bigger needs and something major had to happen. All this restructuring crap we do every year gets us nowhere. Now we free up Graham's cap space, plus the player and draft pick we got in return.

A proven commodity and a 1st rounder is better than two first rounders, neither of which are proven. That's what makes this a good deal. The only thing I don't like is that he's with the Seahawks, but as critical as I've been of our front office in recent years, I honestly don't think they would have traded him to THAT team without exploring all other options first. The most suitable return just ended up being the hags.

nola_swammi · 03-11-2015, 04:08 AM

4 til 5 years! Do you really think Drew have 4 til 5 years? I think they could've got a higher or more draft picks for Jimmy. I think Jimmy was injured that's why he wasn't that dominant as the years before. I don't see why they're looking for a center when it's obvious Evans or Grubbs need to be replaced.

If they wanted to send a message to the team with this trade, it was carried out and time will tell if it was negative or positive. More likely they going to want their guarantee up front due to fact they seeing how Sproles, now. Graham being traded out

burningmetal · 03-11-2015, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

4 til 5 years! Do you really think Drew have 4 til 5 years? I think they could've got a higher or more draft picks for Jimmy. I think Jimmy was injured that's why he wasn't that dominant as the years before. I don't see why they're looking for a center when it's obvious Evans or Grubbs need to be replaced.

If they wanted to send a message to the team with this trade, it was carried out and time will tell if it was negative or positive. More likely they going to want their guarantee up front due to fact they seeing how Sproles, now. Graham being traded out

You seem convinced that this is about Jimmy not being good enough. He definitely drew the ire of some fans, myself included, for disappearing at times but this move, in my opinion, is not a negative reflection on jimmy, but just an understanding by the Saints that they might have put too many eggs in one basket and they traded him for the opportunity to sign other players in positions of need. Something that has been needed a while now.

nola_swammi · 03-11-2015, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

A proven commodity and a 1st rounder is better than two first rounders, neither of which are proven. That's what makes this a good deal. The only thing I don't like is that he's with the Seahawks, but as critical as I've been of our front office in recent years, I honestly don't think they would have traded him to THAT team without exploring all other options first. The most suitable return just ended up being the hags.

Proven he was injured half of the season and we given up a 4th round pick for him. He now a saint and I hope he can produce but I am still skeptical. No way was this a even trade more like a message to the locker room

nola_swammi · 03-11-2015, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

You seem convinced that this is about Jimmy not being good enough. He definitely drew the ire of some fans, myself included, for disappearing at times but this move, in my opinion, is not a negative reflection on jimmy, but just an understanding by the Saints that they might have put two many eggs in one basket and they traded him for the opportunity to sign other players in positions of need. Something that has been needed a while now.

This wasnt a cap relief so they can sign more players cause Jimmy renewed his contract last year and the guarantees and bonuses must be accounted for. Maybe next year it might be some relief

lee909 · 03-11-2015, 04:24 AM

Teams dont generally want to give away 1st rounds picks these days,they are too valuable.Last years 31st pick(Robey Broncos) will get 7ml over 4 years and the Broncos also have a 5th year option

nola_swammi · 03-11-2015, 04:28 AM

Getting Jimmy Graham is not a giving away a 1st rd pick. If Jimmy Graham was in this year draft and teams know what they know now about him he would be a top 15th pick at the least

lee909 · 03-11-2015, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

This wasnt a cap relief so they can sign more players cause Jimmy renewed his contract last year and the guarantees and bonuses must be accounted for. Maybe next year it might be some relief

All the cap bonus comes next year which shows its just a cap move.

As things are the Saints have 17ml in free cap space in 2017 after last night.
Thats before any changes on the deals Colston,Bunkley,Evans,Grubbs, Hawthorne have if they are still on the books and Drews 27.5ml cap number all should change next year. Though the team needs to re-sign/replace Cam,Hicks,K.Robison and Hill who are all FA.

Just cut Bunk,Hawthrone and Grubbs and you have 38ml and we know hat Colston and evans are not seeing $10ml each

Ths whole thing to me reads that the coachs and front office are pissed iwth player attitudes and know the team has become predictable in big games and are planning a quick turnover of talent

burningmetal · 03-11-2015, 04:34 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Proven he was injured half of the season and we given up a 4th round pick for him. He now a saint and I hope he can produce but I am still skeptical. No way was this a even trade more like a message to the locker room

You're defending Graham on one hand saying he was injured, and on the other hand you saying Unger is not an acceptable return because he was injured. He's not injured now. Will he be injured again? I could ask that question about any player. Injuries happen. It's not like he's Derrick Rose (I know, different sport) out there getting hurt every other week.

burningmetal · 03-11-2015, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

This wasnt a cap relief so they can sign more players cause Jimmy renewed his contract last year and the guarantees and bonuses must be accounted for. Maybe next year it might be some relief

It's not merely a cap relief move, but it's surely a big part of it. It's not all about this year it's about being able to afford players from year to year, and so getting that relief makes a big difference. I don't know why you would discount that.

03-11-2015, 04:06 AM	#251
Threaded by burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by nola_swammi Sometimes I wonder if we have people in this forum that work with the saints PR to always try to make something positive out of something that don't make sense. Of course I am always going to be pulling for my saints but dayum, I don't want to go back to the days of being the butt of all jokes or not having a decent come back to all the haters. This don't make sense, JG was injured and still suiting up to play often as decoy. If you going to trade him why trade him to a team we will most likely have to face in the playoffs and make them stronger,,surely 16 teams in the AFc would' ve love to make that trade and 15 of them would've given us a higher draft pick than 31 overall pick I often find myself wondering why people always want to justify any move the Saints make, but this actually isn't one of them. I don't see this as anyone hating on Jimmy, either. People are just realizing that we have bigger needs and something major had to happen. All this restructuring crap we do every year gets us nowhere. Now we free up Graham's cap space, plus the player and draft pick we got in return. A proven commodity and a 1st rounder is better than two first rounders, neither of which are proven. That's what makes this a good deal. The only thing I don't like is that he's with the Seahawks, but as critical as I've been of our front office in recent years, I honestly don't think they would have traded him to THAT team without exploring all other options first. The most suitable return just ended up being the hags. CharityMike likes this.
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03-11-2015, 04:08 AM	#252
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks 4 til 5 years! Do you really think Drew have 4 til 5 years? I think they could've got a higher or more draft picks for Jimmy. I think Jimmy was injured that's why he wasn't that dominant as the years before. I don't see why they're looking for a center when it's obvious Evans or Grubbs need to be replaced. If they wanted to send a message to the team with this trade, it was carried out and time will tell if it was negative or positive. More likely they going to want their guarantee up front due to fact they seeing how Sproles, now. Graham being traded out hagan714 likes this.

03-11-2015, 04:16 AM	#253
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi 4 til 5 years! Do you really think Drew have 4 til 5 years? I think they could've got a higher or more draft picks for Jimmy. I think Jimmy was injured that's why he wasn't that dominant as the years before. I don't see why they're looking for a center when it's obvious Evans or Grubbs need to be replaced. If they wanted to send a message to the team with this trade, it was carried out and time will tell if it was negative or positive. More likely they going to want their guarantee up front due to fact they seeing how Sproles, now. Graham being traded out You seem convinced that this is about Jimmy not being good enough. He definitely drew the ire of some fans, myself included, for disappearing at times but this move, in my opinion, is not a negative reflection on jimmy, but just an understanding by the Saints that they might have put too many eggs in one basket and they traded him for the opportunity to sign other players in positions of need. Something that has been needed a while now. spkb25 and Saint in Aus like this.

03-11-2015, 04:18 AM	#254
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by burningmetal A proven commodity and a 1st rounder is better than two first rounders, neither of which are proven. That's what makes this a good deal. The only thing I don't like is that he's with the Seahawks, but as critical as I've been of our front office in recent years, I honestly don't think they would have traded him to THAT team without exploring all other options first. The most suitable return just ended up being the hags. Proven he was injured half of the season and we given up a 4th round pick for him. He now a saint and I hope he can produce but I am still skeptical. No way was this a even trade more like a message to the locker room

03-11-2015, 04:23 AM	#255
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by burningmetal You seem convinced that this is about Jimmy not being good enough. He definitely drew the ire of some fans, myself included, for disappearing at times but this move, in my opinion, is not a negative reflection on jimmy, but just an understanding by the Saints that they might have put two many eggs in one basket and they traded him for the opportunity to sign other players in positions of need. Something that has been needed a while now. This wasnt a cap relief so they can sign more players cause Jimmy renewed his contract last year and the guarantees and bonuses must be accounted for. Maybe next year it might be some relief

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03-11-2015, 04:24 AM	#256
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Teams dont generally want to give away 1st rounds picks these days,they are too valuable.Last years 31st pick(Robey Broncos) will get 7ml over 4 years and the Broncos also have a 5th year option hagan714 likes this.

03-11-2015, 04:28 AM	#257
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Getting Jimmy Graham is not a giving away a 1st rd pick. If Jimmy Graham was in this year draft and teams know what they know now about him he would be a top 15th pick at the least

03-11-2015, 04:29 AM	#258
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi This wasnt a cap relief so they can sign more players cause Jimmy renewed his contract last year and the guarantees and bonuses must be accounted for. Maybe next year it might be some relief All the cap bonus comes next year which shows its just a cap move. As things are the Saints have 17ml in free cap space in 2017 after last night. Thats before any changes on the deals Colston,Bunkley,Evans,Grubbs, Hawthorne have if they are still on the books and Drews 27.5ml cap number all should change next year. Though the team needs to re-sign/replace Cam,Hicks,K.Robison and Hill who are all FA. Just cut Bunk,Hawthrone and Grubbs and you have 38ml and we know hat Colston and evans are not seeing $10ml each Ths whole thing to me reads that the coachs and front office are pissed iwth player attitudes and know the team has become predictable in big games and are planning a quick turnover of talent
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03-11-2015, 04:34 AM	#259
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi Proven he was injured half of the season and we given up a 4th round pick for him. He now a saint and I hope he can produce but I am still skeptical. No way was this a even trade more like a message to the locker room You're defending Graham on one hand saying he was injured, and on the other hand you saying Unger is not an acceptable return because he was injured. He's not injured now. Will he be injured again? I could ask that question about any player. Injuries happen. It's not like he's Derrick Rose (I know, different sport) out there getting hurt every other week. spkb25 likes this.

03-11-2015, 04:36 AM	#260
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi This wasnt a cap relief so they can sign more players cause Jimmy renewed his contract last year and the guarantees and bonuses must be accounted for. Maybe next year it might be some relief It's not merely a cap relief move, but it's surely a big part of it. It's not all about this year it's about being able to afford players from year to year, and so getting that relief makes a big difference. I don't know why you would discount that.

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