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Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks

If New England can do this stuff every year and make it to 6 Superbowls then we need to be able to do it too. That being said, if we get another Robert Meachem, Malcolm Jenkins, Kenny Vaccarro or Sedrick Ellis instead of a real player it will go down as one of the dumbest moves we've ever done.

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From reading their posts, the 12's don't seem too pumped about getting Jimmy.

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They manned him up in Seattle, delayed his release and took him out of the game.
They are expecting the same from others, they pulled the covers off of JG.

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 644370)

Just think; if we get two pro-bowl players in the first! Or even 2 first year starters :bng:

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 644401)

From reading their posts, the 12's don't seem too pumped about getting Jimmy.

Yeah, was just reading some myself and it seems the majority are not happy about giving up Unger and this years 1st.

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 644219)

I'll point how this was a bad move or bad trade when the data reveal itself but for now I wish you all the best it was nice having a ear to vent to and hopefully I am wrong but I doubt it. I just hate to see the best coach the saints ever had be fired cause of idiotic trades and drafts

You don't really think that Sean Payton isn't in the middle of and completely onboard with every trade or draft pick that happens with this team?

SFIAH

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Originally Posted by darstep (Post 644404)

They manned him up in Seattle, delayed his release and took him out of the game.
They are expecting the same from others, they pulled the covers off of JG.

In Jimmy's defense there are only a few teams capable of doing that. Seattle was one of the very few.

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 644234)

To answer your question, no but they didn't fill a need with this trade.

Really? You and I must have been watching completely different games at the center position.

SFIAH

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I know some (not just this site)find it hard to accept this trade,but I think it was a very team first move. I'm gonna miss Graham,but I would rather give up 1 superstar to gain 2-4 good players that can contribute and keep us in the playoffs consistently than keep that one superstar who's basically declining in production because of injuries and his QB can't stay upright. Look around the league...alot of teams are releasing and trading top players. This happens every offseason,this off season seems to be more extreme than others. Doing this keeps teams competitive. It's gonna be nice next offseason to have that extra cushion with the cap,and just that alone makes the trade easier to swallow.

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Go away dude... Nothing you say ever makes sense and it's getting old.

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almost felt stupid clicking on the link already knowing the answer

salary cap figures will be $26.4 million and $27.4 million in 2015-16

ya think?

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Bree's didn't like graham as much as we thought. Well at least in terms of money I don't think he honestly cares about being a saint. Maybe he was targeting jimmy so much to get him paid also.(no doubt him and jimmy are friends) I believe if Bree's would have taken a paycut jimmy would still be in New Orleans.

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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 644574)

Immmm baaaack!!!! I said I was gonna stay away till the season starts but I couldn't resist coming on here to pay homage to you all.

Welcome back.

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Now jimmy graham cracker is gone. I must admit I love all of the optimism I'm reading on here but let me shed some light on a few things. First things first who in the f@#$ is drew gonna throw the ball to now?

Let's take a look at the receiving stat line from last year's Pittsburgh game:

Player Team Recpt Yards TD Long
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Kenny Stills NOR 5 162 1 69
Mark Ingram NOR 2 -1 0 0
Pierre Thomas NOR 2 16 0 13
Josh Hill NOR 1 17 0 17
Nick Toon NOR 2 17 1 11
Marques Colston NOR 3 16 1 8
Ben Watson NOR 1 15 1 15
Travaris Cadet NOR 2 11 0 6
Erik Lorig NOR 1 4 1 4

19 completions, 5 TDs, no interceptions, and most importantly no receptions by JG, who actually played in the game.

Questions?

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We thought oops I'm sorry I thought drew was horrible this past year, this year oh my goodness he's gonna be worst! We resign m Ingram, I like the guy but he's injury prone. I have one question just oooonnnee question, why in the hell we let sprolles go to keep jg just to get rid of his ass this year?

Apples and gorillas there. Sproles wasn't let go to keep Graham. Sproles was let go because his cap number was going up to over $3 million. That was a price the team wasn't willing to pay.

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Can anyone please tell me where the silver lining is in this bs?! Our top, let me repeat OUR TOP RECEIVER IS GONE!! ARE YOU FREAKIN KIDDING ME! Who dats I'm a die hard fan but if we continue down this road I'm gonna be a dead fan! No ol! No real receiving threat! No running game! No offense.

This is just a bit over the top, IMHO. The trade improved the OLine. Do you really believe that none of Colston, Cooks, Stills, Toon, or Hill are not a receiving threat? As I stated in another post, Brees has thrown for over 25000 yards, 194 TDs, and 2400+ completions in the last 5 years, which include 4 5000+ yard passing seasons. Do you really believe that JG caught 2400 balls for 194 TDs and 25000 yards during that period? Really?!

As for the run game, Ingram has come into his own. And as I just said, the trade improved the OLine. As for improving the running game, there will now actually be tight ends that block on running plays instead of hand waving as Graham often did. Also there is no more "Graham is in the game, it's a passing down."

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For all of your sakes let's hope and pray our defense becomes a top 5 defense cause offensively we're gonna be worst than last year. I won't be surprise and you mark my words if we won't be last in our division this year.

I'm with you on the defense. That would be great. But you can forget the offense having a significant dropoff. 9 straight years of top 5 offense in yards, and top 10 in scoring, isn't going to derail because #80 has moved on. As long as #9 has the protection of a interior OLine and a more than passable running game, the offense will produce.

SFIAH

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 644620)

Welcome back.

Let's take a look at the receiving stat line from last year's Pittsburgh game:

Player Team Recpt Yards TD Long
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Kenny Stills NOR 5 162 1 69
Mark Ingram NOR 2 -1 0 0
Pierre Thomas NOR 2 16 0 13
Josh Hill NOR 1 17 0 17
Nick Toon NOR 2 17 1 11
Marques Colston NOR 3 16 1 8
Ben Watson NOR 1 15 1 15
Travaris Cadet NOR 2 11 0 6
Erik Lorig NOR 1 4 1 4

19 completions, 5 TDs, no interceptions, and most importantly no receptions by JG, who actually played in the game.

Questions?

Apples and gorillas there. Sproles wasn't let go to keep Graham. Sproles was let go because his cap number was going up to over $3 million. That was a price the team wasn't willing to pay.

This is just a bit over the top, IMHO. The trade improved the OLine. Do you really believe that none of Colston, Cooks, Stills, Toon, or Hill are not a receiving threat? As I stated in another post, Brees has thrown for over 25000 yards, 194 TDs, and 2400+ completions in the last 5 years, which include 4 5000+ yard passing seasons. Do you really believe that JG caught 2400 balls for 194 TDs and 25000 yards during that period? Really?!

As for the run game, Ingram has come into his own. And as I just said, the trade improved the OLine. As for improving the running game, there will now actually be tight ends that block on running plays instead of hand waving as Graham often did. Also there is no more "Graham is in the game, it's a passing down."

I'm with you on the defense. That would be great. But you can forget the offense having a significant dropoff. 9 straight years of top 5 offense in yards, and top 10 in scoring, isn't going to derail because #80 has moved on. As long as #9 has the protection of a interior OLine and a more than passable running game, the offense will produce.

SFIAH

That's was a great,well thought out post but your wasting your time. Do yourself a favor and block him...it worked wonders for me.

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Our odds to win the super bowl has dropped while Seattle's has risen as reported by NFL.com

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 644577)

Go away dude... Nothing you say ever makes sense and it's getting old.

Chris, wishing this isn't going to make it so. It's challenging to be quiet when one thinks that the sky is falling.

So it's best to either let it go, or simply respond with facts. For example...

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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 644576)

Aww here we go defense defense defense!! What about all the 3 and outs on offense?What about the predictable play calling?

Yes, let's talk about the three and outs where Brees attempted a home run throw to Graham in double coverage.

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What about the int's drew had?

Again often trying to fit the ball into double coverage, and again often to Graham.

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What about the no pass protection or no run blocking we had?

So I guess that no run blocking resulted in Ingram finishing with nearly 1000 yards on 225 or so carries with a 4.3 YPC average. I wonder what could happen if the O-Line actually blocked.

The one area of agreement was pass blocking. Way too much pressure up the middle. Way too many breakdowns when Harris was playing. So don't you think getting a former All-Pro center will help that line to some degree?

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Hey I can go and on. Last year defense sucked but offensively we didn't have it going on either. Imjs

Sorry. Have to disagree here. Tally up the games where the offense delivered a lead in the last 5 minutes or less of the game, only to have the defense give it away? Atlanta, Cleveland, San Francisco? admittedly the offense gave away the Lions game.

SFIAH

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Max Unger Flying Under Radar as Real Star of Blockbuster Trade | Bleacher Report

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His impact in Seattle became obvious last season when he missed 10 games. As noted by Brian Nemhauser of Hawk Blogger, the Seahawks averaged 28.0 points in games with Unger on the field and just 21.7 without him. Seattle converted less in the red zone, averaged fewer yards per game and per play, and saw a significant dip in rushing outputs without its starting center.

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What games did Max play last year? Was he injured at the start of the year or at the end?

The reason I ask is that if he was injured at the end of the season he could still be limited and may take a while to get back up and running.

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Originally Posted by Saint in Aus (Post 644637)

Not sure, but he did play in their play-off games... So I would think he is healthy now

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Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 644254)

if it was Graham that Wilson was targeting instead of Lockett, they may have very well scored on that last play.

^^^ This. Graham in the red zone is STILL something that almost nobody can stop. He has maybe dropped one or two, but other than that he has been absolutely formidable in the red zone and that is how I see Seattle using him. That goal line play where Jimmy runs like two paces into the end zone, turns around and Drew chucks it to him; I can see Seattle and Wilson doing a lot of that.

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Sounds like Pete Carroll thinks he can use JG better.

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Originally Posted by arsaint (Post 645058)

Sounds like Pete Carroll thinks he can use JG better.

Wait until Jimmy gives a half hearted attempt on a Russell Wilson pass and it gets picked, then they'll understand why none of us are worried about the trade.