I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing

lee909 · 03-14-2015, 11:45 AM

I did read one reporter saying that the front office and coaches are quite high on Senio Kelemete,wether mean as a back up still learning or as a man that will fight for the job this year i dont know

Rugby Saint II · 03-14-2015, 12:12 PM

We'll shore up the o-line in the draft. We may get a TE or WR in the draft as well. Besides that we need to go defense for most of our picks.

WhoDatFan26 · 03-14-2015, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had.

I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball

Dannell Ellerbe is head and shoulders better than what we had Lofton included. He is the first true sideline to sideline LB we've had since Vilma was fully healthy. As far as Browner, his true value will come from his knowledge and the fact that he will help police the other DB's. As far as the D-Line I think they'll benefit from a healthy motivated Cameron Jordan, when he's right he is unblockable. I still would like to see us draft Perryman from The U with pick#31, then we would have 2 sideline to sideline LB's. Sheer talent can make up for schematic breakups. I trust what the coaching staff is doing because they're making changes for the better of the team going forward. And whatever problems Browner had off the field, he's never been a lockeroom distraction. This team will be lightyears better than last seasons.

Foot Stomper · 03-14-2015, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had.

I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball

I think the masterpiece is not finished yet. 5 or so days into FA and we still have a draft and TC to go along with final roster cuts across the league.

ps love that avatar pic...nothing better than a hot partying babe!

Rugby Saint II · 03-14-2015, 02:48 PM

Oh boy! We won't get beat deep again! We may get a penalty but that is the risk playing with Browner. I'm curious to see how we handle nickel and dime this year?

We've got a lot of tall corners on the roster so now we need that smooth back pedal and quick hips guy for the middle of the field.

And yes, defense is the PROBlem.

lee909 · 03-14-2015, 02:59 PM

Hopefully Browner can take SJB under his wing and shiw him how to use his size etc

VegasSaint9 · 03-14-2015, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Hopefully Browner can take SJB under his wing and shiw him how to use his size etc

I'm surprised most people haven't mentioned this. This could be huge for him to learn from Browner. Who knows maybe SP didn't want to throw him to the wolves just yet. Dixon and Frederick should be okay in the slot. I'd like one or two more CBs via draft and UDFAs just weed out the weakest link.

Edit: I completely forgot about the Breaux signing! I'm interested how he will turn out as well.

Tobias-Reiper · 03-14-2015, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had.

I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball

First, there's no "fire sale".
The Saints have traded 3 players, and in 2 of those trades, they got a player back. Of those 2 players, one is a LB, who played really well in Baltimore, but was palying in the wrong scheme in Miami. They have also signed a CB, and are waiting to hear from another. Yes, both are 30, but CBs and LBs are not RBs, and the NFL isn't Logan's Run. They are also bringing something sorely missing in the Saints defense: the nasty.

"... but the future..." The future in today's NFL is 2-3 years.

They have also released/not re-signed some defensive players who where under-performing in White, Walker, Lofton (and no, a bazillion tackles 10-15 yrds from the LoS does not mean you MLB is performing).

FA is not over.

Then there is the draft.

The Saints didn't "blow up" the offense.
* Graham and Stills are replaceable.
* PT (as much as I love him) was replaced by a younger, maybe better version of him (we'll have to wait and see what Spiller can do in Payton's system).
* The Saints sorely needed a center.
* Grubbs was under-performing and getting old, while behind him are what seem to be good, younger OL prospects in Kelemete and Lelito.

SloMotion · 03-15-2015, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had.

I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball

You couldn't have made the deals you did shopping around/blowing up/fire sale-ing the defensive talent you had, so something has to give ... you're still a top five offense, added some veteran presence to the defense (plus a damn good veteran center, the most important position on the team other than QB, IMO) and now you got all these draft picks to play with, not too mention CJ Spiller, et ... IDK, all's I can say is "look at the bright side" ... Saints are gonna' be a much better team in 2015,

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lee909 · 03-15-2015, 06:15 AM

Wouldnt mind him if he was there in the 5th.
He cant play outside in division games as imo he cant be put up against Jones,Evans etc. But he would be great covering the slot

03-14-2015, 11:45 AM	#1
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WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by saintshrimp I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had. I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball Dannell Ellerbe is head and shoulders better than what we had Lofton included. He is the first true sideline to sideline LB we've had since Vilma was fully healthy. As far as Browner, his true value will come from his knowledge and the fact that he will help police the other DB's. As far as the D-Line I think they'll benefit from a healthy motivated Cameron Jordan, when he's right he is unblockable. I still would like to see us draft Perryman from The U with pick#31, then we would have 2 sideline to sideline LB's. Sheer talent can make up for schematic breakups. I trust what the coaching staff is doing because they're making changes for the better of the team going forward. And whatever problems Browner had off the field, he's never been a lockeroom distraction. This team will be lightyears better than last seasons. Danno likes this.
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Foot Stomper Carolina Sucks Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 379	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by saintshrimp I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had. I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball I think the masterpiece is not finished yet. 5 or so days into FA and we still have a draft and TC to go along with final roster cuts across the league. ps love that avatar pic...nothing better than a hot partying babe!

03-14-2015, 02:48 PM	#5
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Oh boy! We won't get beat deep again! We may get a penalty but that is the risk playing with Browner. I'm curious to see how we handle nickel and dime this year? We've got a lot of tall corners on the roster so now we need that smooth back pedal and quick hips guy for the middle of the field. And yes, defense is the PROBlem.

03-14-2015, 02:59 PM	#6
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Hopefully Browner can take SJB under his wing and shiw him how to use his size etc Crusader, ChrisXVI and VegasSaint9 like this.

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VegasSaint9 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 360	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by lee909 Hopefully Browner can take SJB under his wing and shiw him how to use his size etc I'm surprised most people haven't mentioned this. This could be huge for him to learn from Browner. Who knows maybe SP didn't want to throw him to the wolves just yet. Dixon and Frederick should be okay in the slot. I'd like one or two more CBs via draft and UDFAs just weed out the weakest link. Edit: I completely forgot about the Breaux signing! I'm interested how he will turn out as well.

03-14-2015, 06:38 PM	#8
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by saintshrimp I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had. I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball First, there's no "fire sale". The Saints have traded 3 players, and in 2 of those trades, they got a player back. Of those 2 players, one is a LB, who played really well in Baltimore, but was palying in the wrong scheme in Miami. They have also signed a CB, and are waiting to hear from another. Yes, both are 30, but CBs and LBs are not RBs, and the NFL isn't Logan's Run. They are also bringing something sorely missing in the Saints defense: the nasty. "... but the future..." The future in today's NFL is 2-3 years. They have also released/not re-signed some defensive players who where under-performing in White, Walker, Lofton (and no, a bazillion tackles 10-15 yrds from the LoS does not mean you MLB is performing). FA is not over. Then there is the draft. The Saints didn't "blow up" the offense. * Graham and Stills are replaceable. * PT (as much as I love him) was replaced by a younger, maybe better version of him (we'll have to wait and see what Spiller can do in Payton's system). * The Saints sorely needed a center. * Grubbs was under-performing and getting old, while behind him are what seem to be good, younger OL prospects in Kelemete and Lelito. dizzle88 and WhoDatFan26 like this.
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SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by saintshrimp I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had. I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball You couldn't have made the deals you did shopping around/blowing up/fire sale-ing the defensive talent you had, so something has to give ... you're still a top five offense, added some veteran presence to the defense (plus a damn good veteran center, the most important position on the team other than QB, IMO) and now you got all these draft picks to play with, not too mention CJ Spiller, et ... IDK, all's I can say is "look at the bright side" ... Saints are gonna' be a much better team in 2015, .

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lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Wouldnt mind him if he was there in the 5th. He cant play outside in division games as imo he cant be put up against Jones,Evans etc. But he would be great covering the slot

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