I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing

saintshrimp · 03-14-2015, 08:04 AM

I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had.

I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball

voodooido · 03-14-2015, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had.

I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball

Ball control does help the defense. If the Saints can get back to 50/50 ball the defense will not be on the field for 45 of the 60 minutes.

Danno · 03-14-2015, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had.

I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball

Good point. I think 2014 was just a year where a lot of players simply under-achieved. The talent is there in Jordan, Hicks, Galette, JJenkins, Lewis, Vaccaro, Byrd, Foster, Bunkley, Bush...

The glaring blinding gaping hole on defense was that #2 CB. I think we've addressed that partially with Browner and I expect more moves to come.

But you are correct, I expected more sooner. But its still very early in the off-season so there's still plenty of time.

First off, make Drew happy and keep him from running for his life. Improve the O-line and running game, which I think we did quite well so far.

spkb25 · 03-14-2015, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Good point. I think 2014 was just a year where a lot of players simply under-achieved. The talent is there in Jordan, Hicks, Galette, JJenkins, Lewis, Vaccaro, Byrd, Foster, Bunkley, Bush...

The glaring blinding gaping hole on defense was that #2 CB. I think we've addressed that partially with Browner and I expect more moves to come.

But you are correct, I expected more sooner. But its still very early in the off-season so there's still plenty of time.

First off, make Drew happy and keep him from running for his life. Improve the O-line and running game, which I think we did quite well so far.

cb2 was a gaping hole, no doubt. the retirement of greer and whiff on champ hurt all year long

spkb25 · 03-14-2015, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had.

I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball

I am sorry, we added a center and RB, right? On defense we added a LB and CB, seems like the same additions...

We also resigned humber on D as well. On d we have not (yet) resigned PROB, released lofton and c. white.

We are not even at the draft. There are holes on both sides, but the offense is one guard away from being really really good.

I think we have made moves all over the place

Mr.Riaton · 03-14-2015, 08:19 AM

Browner is an older CB,but he's a little more than just a band aid player. He's gonna bring toughness and leadership to this D and locker room. Remember,even though he's older,we should have plenty of money to work with in FA next year. We can possibly get our young stud CB( maybe even two) then.

hagan714 · 03-14-2015, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

Browner is an older CB,but he's a little more than just a band aid player. He's gonna bring toughness and leadership to this D and locker room. Remember,even though he's older,we should have plenty of money to work with in FA next year. We can possibly get our young stud CB( maybe even two) then.

i would not think of Browner as the #2 CB after watching him last year. put him on those big slower WR and TE. A true #2 WR? heck no. he will get burned all game long. sorry he will never let himself get burned he will take the flag and mug the guy before he gets burned.

A solid #2 CB in the draft is still needed IMO

as for the rest we need to wait for the draft to see what we got done, way to many players leaving from a position and way too many players added that do not fill those position.

so far i am holding my breath. it could be great or could go south real quick

blackangold · 03-14-2015, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

i would not think of Browner as the #2 CB after watching him last year. put him on those big slower WR and TE. A true #2 WR? heck no. he will get burned all game long. sorry he will never let himself get burned he will take the flag and mug the guy before he gets burned.

A solid #2 CB in the draft is still needed IMO

as for the rest we need to wait for the draft to see what we got done, way to many players leaving from a position and way too many players added that do not fill those position.

so far i am holding my breath. it could be great or could go south real quick

You're crazy...

Browner is just as good as Lewis, they both could be number 1s on many teams. This was a great move for the locker-room as well.

Dion Sanders said we now have the best CB tandem in the league, when taking about CBs ill take his word over yours.

You realize he had everything thrown at him last year because Revis was on the other side right? Before that he had Sherman on the other side so he was still targeted all day. Two superbowls in two years... and for all this over-the-top BS, I am sure Byrd will love that...

As for your last sentence "could go south real quick", you can say that about anything.

rezburna · 03-14-2015, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

You're crazy...

Browner is just as good as Lewis, they both could be number 1s on many teams. This was a great move for the locker-room as well.

Dion Sanders said we now have the best CB tandem in the league, when taking about CBs ill take his word over yours.

You realize he had everything thrown at him last year because Revis was on the other side right? Before that he had Sherman on the other side so he was still targeted all day. Two superbowls in two years... and for all this over-the-top BS, I am sure Byrd will love that...

As for your last sentence "could go south real quick", you can say that about anything.

That was an excellent point. Revis one year, Sherman on the other. Constantly attacked.

hagan714 · 03-14-2015, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

You're crazy...

Browner is just as good as Lewis, they both could be number 1s on many teams. This was a great move for the locker-room as well.

Dion Sanders said we now have the best CB tandem in the league, when taking about CBs ill take his word over yours.

You realize he had everything thrown at him last year because Revis was on the other side right? Before that he had Sherman on the other side so he was still targeted all day. Two superbowls in two years... and for all this over-the-top BS, I am sure Byrd will love that...

As for your last sentence "could go south real quick", you can say that about anything.

i am stuck in Boston so crazy might be a bit strong. stupid works

The pats ran packages in coverage as they always do but Kyle Arrington played extremely well and was the one they picked on the most. but teams did not fear Browner. 18 penlites last year was an all time high since his rookie year. he is just a hand check DB to the extreme. you name the foul he committed it.

with that said i like the attitude he brings but in no way can he run with the speed a true #2 in the NFL. now to get past Browner jam at the line is almost impossible to do. he is smart and knows right of the bat when he gets beat and will mug the guy before he lets him run free. that is acceptable in my book.

Like Byrd he is coming from the AFC and that is not saying much. His time in Seattle was against some pretty sub par passing offenses also.

Put him on Mike Evans and Kelvin Benjamin all game long and the odds are very good he will shut them down. put him on Jimmy Graham and get the same results.

speed kills and quickness is his weakness.

Dion Sanders said? i will pass on that one

i will say it again i love the attitude he plays with despite the flags. flags are not always a bad thing and almost all of his are smart ones. but to keep the flags at a min keep him away from speed and keep him on the possession type of WR.

that is how the pats used him by season end

03-14-2015, 08:04 AM	#1
saintshrimp 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houma,LA. Posts: 695	I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had. I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball

03-14-2015, 08:06 AM	#2
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,819	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by saintshrimp I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had. I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball Ball control does help the defense. If the Saints can get back to 50/50 ball the defense will not be on the field for 45 of the 60 minutes. Jamessr likes this.
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03-14-2015, 08:13 AM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by saintshrimp I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had. I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball Good point. I think 2014 was just a year where a lot of players simply under-achieved. The talent is there in Jordan, Hicks, Galette, JJenkins, Lewis, Vaccaro, Byrd, Foster, Bunkley, Bush... The glaring blinding gaping hole on defense was that #2 CB. I think we've addressed that partially with Browner and I expect more moves to come. But you are correct, I expected more sooner. But its still very early in the off-season so there's still plenty of time. First off, make Drew happy and keep him from running for his life. Improve the O-line and running game, which I think we did quite well so far. jnormand, Boutte and captainshawn like this.

03-14-2015, 08:19 AM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by Danno Good point. I think 2014 was just a year where a lot of players simply under-achieved. The talent is there in Jordan, Hicks, Galette, JJenkins, Lewis, Vaccaro, Byrd, Foster, Bunkley, Bush... The glaring blinding gaping hole on defense was that #2 CB. I think we've addressed that partially with Browner and I expect more moves to come. But you are correct, I expected more sooner. But its still very early in the off-season so there's still plenty of time. First off, make Drew happy and keep him from running for his life. Improve the O-line and running game, which I think we did quite well so far. cb2 was a gaping hole, no doubt. the retirement of greer and whiff on champ hurt all year long

03-14-2015, 08:18 AM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by saintshrimp I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had. I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball I am sorry, we added a center and RB, right? On defense we added a LB and CB, seems like the same additions... We also resigned humber on D as well. On d we have not (yet) resigned PROB, released lofton and c. white. We are not even at the draft. There are holes on both sides, but the offense is one guard away from being really really good. I think we have made moves all over the place CharityMike likes this.

03-14-2015, 08:19 AM	#6
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,287	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Browner is an older CB,but he's a little more than just a band aid player. He's gonna bring toughness and leadership to this D and locker room. Remember,even though he's older,we should have plenty of money to work with in FA next year. We can possibly get our young stud CB( maybe even two) then. spkb25, hagan714 and mleg1972 like this.

03-14-2015, 08:40 AM	#7
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton Browner is an older CB,but he's a little more than just a band aid player. He's gonna bring toughness and leadership to this D and locker room. Remember,even though he's older,we should have plenty of money to work with in FA next year. We can possibly get our young stud CB( maybe even two) then. i would not think of Browner as the #2 CB after watching him last year. put him on those big slower WR and TE. A true #2 WR? heck no. he will get burned all game long. sorry he will never let himself get burned he will take the flag and mug the guy before he gets burned. A solid #2 CB in the draft is still needed IMO as for the rest we need to wait for the draft to see what we got done, way to many players leaving from a position and way too many players added that do not fill those position. so far i am holding my breath. it could be great or could go south real quick spkb25, Rsanders24, Mr.Riaton and 1 others like this.
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03-14-2015, 12:41 PM	#8
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by hagan714 i would not think of Browner as the #2 CB after watching him last year. put him on those big slower WR and TE. A true #2 WR? heck no. he will get burned all game long. sorry he will never let himself get burned he will take the flag and mug the guy before he gets burned. A solid #2 CB in the draft is still needed IMO as for the rest we need to wait for the draft to see what we got done, way to many players leaving from a position and way too many players added that do not fill those position. so far i am holding my breath. it could be great or could go south real quick You're crazy... Browner is just as good as Lewis, they both could be number 1s on many teams. This was a great move for the locker-room as well. Dion Sanders said we now have the best CB tandem in the league, when taking about CBs ill take his word over yours. You realize he had everything thrown at him last year because Revis was on the other side right? Before that he had Sherman on the other side so he was still targeted all day. Two superbowls in two years... and for all this over-the-top BS, I am sure Byrd will love that... As for your last sentence "could go south real quick", you can say that about anything. hagan714 likes this.

03-14-2015, 12:45 PM	#9
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by blackangold You're crazy... Browner is just as good as Lewis, they both could be number 1s on many teams. This was a great move for the locker-room as well. Dion Sanders said we now have the best CB tandem in the league, when taking about CBs ill take his word over yours. You realize he had everything thrown at him last year because Revis was on the other side right? Before that he had Sherman on the other side so he was still targeted all day. Two superbowls in two years... and for all this over-the-top BS, I am sure Byrd will love that... As for your last sentence "could go south real quick", you can say that about anything. That was an excellent point. Revis one year, Sherman on the other. Constantly attacked.

03-14-2015, 05:56 PM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by blackangold You're crazy... Browner is just as good as Lewis, they both could be number 1s on many teams. This was a great move for the locker-room as well. Dion Sanders said we now have the best CB tandem in the league, when taking about CBs ill take his word over yours. You realize he had everything thrown at him last year because Revis was on the other side right? Before that he had Sherman on the other side so he was still targeted all day. Two superbowls in two years... and for all this over-the-top BS, I am sure Byrd will love that... As for your last sentence "could go south real quick", you can say that about anything. i am stuck in Boston so crazy might be a bit strong. stupid works The pats ran packages in coverage as they always do but Kyle Arrington played extremely well and was the one they picked on the most. but teams did not fear Browner. 18 penlites last year was an all time high since his rookie year. he is just a hand check DB to the extreme. you name the foul he committed it. with that said i like the attitude he brings but in no way can he run with the speed a true #2 in the NFL. now to get past Browner jam at the line is almost impossible to do. he is smart and knows right of the bat when he gets beat and will mug the guy before he lets him run free. that is acceptable in my book. Like Byrd he is coming from the AFC and that is not saying much. His time in Seattle was against some pretty sub par passing offenses also. Put him on Mike Evans and Kelvin Benjamin all game long and the odds are very good he will shut them down. put him on Jimmy Graham and get the same results. speed kills and quickness is his weakness. Dion Sanders said? i will pass on that one i will say it again i love the attitude he plays with despite the flags. flags are not always a bad thing and almost all of his are smart ones. but to keep the flags at a min keep him away from speed and keep him on the possession type of WR. that is how the pats used him by season end blackangold, K Major and brees84 like this.
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