Argument against this?

SmashMouth · 04-13-2015, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Naeole missed only one game in his 11 years as a pro, started 150 of 154. till his career ending injury.

Stupidest thing we ever did at the guard position back then was letting him walk in 2002. LeCharles Bentley was drafted in round 2 to fill his spot. so we spent a 1st and a second by 2002 to fill one spot an in the end Bentley was at center. So we had to go find yet another player to fill the guard position. Montrae Holland in 2003 in the 4th. next up Jahri Evans in 2004. and so on

Bentley and Naeole would have solved so many issues for years on the OL.

typical Jim Haslett move.

I still like the pick today. some times longevity and solid play on the interior lines out weigh pro bowls

Good point on Naole... I had misremembered.

halloween 65 · 04-13-2015, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

How many times under SP have we moved up for a player in the first round?

How many times have we traded players under Payton ? Maybe he finally can see that the route they have taken and the outcome could have been avoided. Take Cooks for example(I like the guy but a 1st and 3rd) when we could have traded down and picked up Matthews and had another pick. Graham for Unger and the 31st were kind of out of character for Payton. 7-9 I feel lit a fire under Paytons butt what is better than that opened his eyes.

sfruge26 · 04-13-2015, 08:43 AM

If by some miracle we could move up for Williams without giving up a draft pick; say, by moving Cam Jordan; I'd be game for moving up. Cam is a good player, but he either isn't giving us the production he could, or he's not the best scheme fit imo.

RaginCajun83 · 04-13-2015, 10:04 AM

IIRC Brees and Cooks were the only two players that were NOT on the trading block when free agency started

RaginCajun83 · 04-13-2015, 10:06 AM

Looking back, Ditkas was insane or just cashing a paycheck or both. WTH trading up for Naole, the Williams deal I can at least rationalize in my head but this deal makes no sense what so ever

CheramieIII · 04-13-2015, 10:29 AM

I would rather have 2 first round picks and a second then only one first

spkb25 · 04-13-2015, 12:33 PM

looking overthis made me view last years draft, uh horrible

blackangold · 04-13-2015, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

looking overthis made me view last years draft, uh horrible

Last years draft may end up being the worst in the Payton tenure.

Cooks is the only good pick and we gave up too much to get him in a WR deep draft... I am just glad people got fired for it.

RaginCajun83 · 04-13-2015, 03:30 PM

Nothing can touch 2009 or 2010

hagan714 · 04-13-2015, 08:30 PM

Trade up to 6 if and only if Leonard Williams is there. so thats is out lol

if we do move up I would rather see a third and player that clears even more cap space.

falcons at 8 are not trading with us lol. so Chicago at 7 is the pick IMO. remember we have a chi-town connection in the front office. so if you want to stick it to clowns the bears might be happy to help out

pick 7 for 13, 3rd and Jr packing works for me.

Brandon Scherff
Trae Waynes
Vic Beasley

all three fill needs for us and the falclowns.

04-13-2015, 09:20 PM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,197 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by hagan714 Naeole missed only one game in his 11 years as a pro, started 150 of 154. till his career ending injury. Stupidest thing we ever did at the guard position back then was letting him walk in 2002. LeCharles Bentley was drafted in round 2 to fill his spot. so we spent a 1st and a second by 2002 to fill one spot an in the end Bentley was at center. So we had to go find yet another player to fill the guard position. Montrae Holland in 2003 in the 4th. next up Jahri Evans in 2004. and so on Bentley and Naeole would have solved so many issues for years on the OL. typical Jim Haslett move. I still like the pick today. some times longevity and solid play on the interior lines out weigh pro bowls Good point on Naole... I had misremembered.

04-13-2015, 09:47 AM	#2
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by spkb25 How many times under SP have we moved up for a player in the first round? How many times have we traded players under Payton ? Maybe he finally can see that the route they have taken and the outcome could have been avoided. Take Cooks for example(I like the guy but a 1st and 3rd) when we could have traded down and picked up Matthews and had another pick. Graham for Unger and the 31st were kind of out of character for Payton. 7-9 I feel lit a fire under Paytons butt what is better than that opened his eyes.

04-13-2015, 08:43 AM	#3
sfruge26 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 16	Re: Argument against this? If by some miracle we could move up for Williams without giving up a draft pick; say, by moving Cam Jordan; I'd be game for moving up. Cam is a good player, but he either isn't giving us the production he could, or he's not the best scheme fit imo.
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04-13-2015, 10:04 AM	#4
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Argument against this? IIRC Brees and Cooks were the only two players that were NOT on the trading block when free agency started

04-13-2015, 10:06 AM	#5
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Argument against this? Looking back, Ditkas was insane or just cashing a paycheck or both. WTH trading up for Naole, the Williams deal I can at least rationalize in my head but this deal makes no sense what so ever

04-13-2015, 10:29 AM	#6
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,497 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Argument against this? I would rather have 2 first round picks and a second then only one first RaginCajun83 and brees84 like this.

04-13-2015, 12:33 PM	#7
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Argument against this? looking overthis made me view last years draft, uh horrible

04-13-2015, 02:43 PM	#8
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by spkb25 looking overthis made me view last years draft, uh horrible Last years draft may end up being the worst in the Payton tenure. Cooks is the only good pick and we gave up too much to get him in a WR deep draft... I am just glad people got fired for it. spkb25 and MarchingOn like this.

04-13-2015, 03:30 PM	#9
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Argument against this? Nothing can touch 2009 or 2010 spkb25 likes this.

04-13-2015, 08:30 PM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Argument against this? Trade up to 6 if and only if Leonard Williams is there. so thats is out lol if we do move up I would rather see a third and player that clears even more cap space. falcons at 8 are not trading with us lol. so Chicago at 7 is the pick IMO. remember we have a chi-town connection in the front office. so if you want to stick it to clowns the bears might be happy to help out pick 7 for 13, 3rd and Jr packing works for me. Brandon Scherff Trae Waynes Vic Beasley all three fill needs for us and the falclowns. spkb25 likes this.
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