Argument against this?

saintsfan1976 · 04-12-2015, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by TwistedTiger

The Saints have been trading up and losing picks, but it really hasn't worked. Now they find themselves in a position where they need immediate help at several positions. With three picks in the first 44 they have the chance to fill a few of those needs with quality starters. If the Saints were one star player away from the Superbowl it would be different, but they are not. With 9 picks they are set up to make significant improvement with young players. Brees time is limited, the Saints can't afford to blow another draft.

Sure, but a roster is only 51 guys. Are you saying all 9 draft picks will make the roster/PS?

Look if we lose one pick to grab a difference maker and still have 4 picks in the top 78, I'm feeling pretty good.

saintshrimp · 04-12-2015, 05:35 PM

I say stay put at 13 and if you wanna trade up I say ok do it with the 31st pick trade a 3rd and 5th to move up to the low 20's but besides that stay where we are for the first 3 rounds

But I also wanna use the first 3 picks on defense we still have enough offense that we will be alright but defense we need all the help we can get not impressed with the guys they have added too that side of the ball at all

Ideally i'd take a pass rusher and a corner in the first round

TwistedTiger · 04-12-2015, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Sure, but a roster is only 51 guys. Are you saying all 9 draft picks will make the roster/PS?

Look if we lose one pick to grab a difference maker and still have 4 picks in the top 78, I'm feeling pretty good.

No, the 3rd through 7th is a real crap shot. However the more picks you have there the more likely you are to hit on one or two. The first 3 picks are where the odds are high and the Saints need to hit on all three. Like I said, they aren't one great player away they are several quality starters away.

NonieT · 04-12-2015, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I've gone back and forth on this.

But have to say; only losing one of our 2nd round picks to grab a game-changer is tempting.

Saints only have one second rounder. Saints have two third rounders.

Euphoria · 04-12-2015, 07:15 PM

Trading up for what???

I can see maybe moving up to 10 and getting the best CB in the draft but stay put and take our chances. We have to let the draft play out.

spkb25 · 04-12-2015, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

Saints only have one second rounder. Saints have two third rounders.

31 is all but a second, and then we have two 3's. so moving to six with 13 and 44, IMHO, makes sense. We still end up with 3 picks after that...

So basically we give up 1 pick to move 7 spots, not bad and you still end up with 4 picks in first 3

I am not saying we will, I am just saying it is good value if we do

saintsfan1976 · 04-12-2015, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

Saints only have one second rounder. Saints have two third rounders.

Thank you for correcting me.

I could see our draft play out like this:

Trade a 2nd to get a higher 1st. Then draft at 31

Trade a 4th to get back into the 2nd.

blackangold · 04-12-2015, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by TwistedTiger

No, the 3rd through 7th is a real crap shot. However the more picks you have there the more likely you are to hit on one or two. The first 3 picks are where the odds are high and the Saints need to hit on all three. Like I said, they aren't one great player away they are several quality starters away.

I dont think we NEED to hit on any picks to have a shot at the title this year.

We have a ton of talent with very minimal holes. You could argue this team has more talent than last years, we just need them to play to their potential.

I say trade up with #31 and target Beasley, keep 13 and see who falls.

saintsfan1976 · 04-12-2015, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by TwistedTiger

No, the 3rd through 7th is a real crap shot. However the more picks you have there the more likely you are to hit on one or two. The first 3 picks are where the odds are high and the Saints need to hit on all three. Like I said, they aren't one great player away they are several quality starters away.

Still doesn't make sense to me. Rounds 1 & 2 can be a crap shoot too.

Quantity of picks doesn't equate to good drafting.

And maybe the coaches and players do feel like they're 2-3 impact players away from making a difference.

NonieT · 04-12-2015, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

31 is all but a second, and then we have two 3's. so moving to six with 13 and 44, IMHO, makes sense. We still end up with 3 picks after that...

So basically we give up 1 pick to move 7 spots, not bad and you still end up with 4 picks in first 3

I am not saying we will, I am just saying it is good value if we do

If you want to play with words knock yourself out, but 31st pick is a first round pick and comes with a 5th year option. A second round pick does not. As I said, the Saints have one 2nd round pick. As for moving up, they shouldn't. They should keep all of their picks and take BPA.

04-12-2015, 05:32 PM	#11
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by TwistedTiger The Saints have been trading up and losing picks, but it really hasn't worked. Now they find themselves in a position where they need immediate help at several positions. With three picks in the first 44 they have the chance to fill a few of those needs with quality starters. If the Saints were one star player away from the Superbowl it would be different, but they are not. With 9 picks they are set up to make significant improvement with young players. Brees time is limited, the Saints can't afford to blow another draft. Sure, but a roster is only 51 guys. Are you saying all 9 draft picks will make the roster/PS? Look if we lose one pick to grab a difference maker and still have 4 picks in the top 78, I'm feeling pretty good. spkb25, foreverfan, jeanpierre and 1 others like this.

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saintshrimp 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houma,LA. Posts: 695	Re: Argument against this? I say stay put at 13 and if you wanna trade up I say ok do it with the 31st pick trade a 3rd and 5th to move up to the low 20's but besides that stay where we are for the first 3 rounds But I also wanna use the first 3 picks on defense we still have enough offense that we will be alright but defense we need all the help we can get not impressed with the guys they have added too that side of the ball at all Ideally i'd take a pass rusher and a corner in the first round

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TwistedTiger 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 180	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Sure, but a roster is only 51 guys. Are you saying all 9 draft picks will make the roster/PS? Look if we lose one pick to grab a difference maker and still have 4 picks in the top 78, I'm feeling pretty good. No, the 3rd through 7th is a real crap shot. However the more picks you have there the more likely you are to hit on one or two. The first 3 picks are where the odds are high and the Saints need to hit on all three. Like I said, they aren't one great player away they are several quality starters away.
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NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I've gone back and forth on this. But have to say; only losing one of our 2nd round picks to grab a game-changer is tempting. Saints only have one second rounder. Saints have two third rounders.
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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Argument against this? Trading up for what??? I can see maybe moving up to 10 and getting the best CB in the draft but stay put and take our chances. We have to let the draft play out.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by NonieT Saints only have one second rounder. Saints have two third rounders. 31 is all but a second, and then we have two 3's. so moving to six with 13 and 44, IMHO, makes sense. We still end up with 3 picks after that... So basically we give up 1 pick to move 7 spots, not bad and you still end up with 4 picks in first 3 I am not saying we will, I am just saying it is good value if we do

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by NonieT Saints only have one second rounder. Saints have two third rounders. Thank you for correcting me. I could see our draft play out like this: Trade a 2nd to get a higher 1st. Then draft at 31 Trade a 4th to get back into the 2nd.
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04-12-2015, 08:34 PM	#18
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by TwistedTiger No, the 3rd through 7th is a real crap shot. However the more picks you have there the more likely you are to hit on one or two. The first 3 picks are where the odds are high and the Saints need to hit on all three. Like I said, they aren't one great player away they are several quality starters away. I dont think we NEED to hit on any picks to have a shot at the title this year. We have a ton of talent with very minimal holes. You could argue this team has more talent than last years, we just need them to play to their potential. I say trade up with #31 and target Beasley, keep 13 and see who falls. saintsfan1976 likes this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by TwistedTiger No, the 3rd through 7th is a real crap shot. However the more picks you have there the more likely you are to hit on one or two. The first 3 picks are where the odds are high and the Saints need to hit on all three. Like I said, they aren't one great player away they are several quality starters away. Still doesn't make sense to me. Rounds 1 & 2 can be a crap shoot too. Quantity of picks doesn't equate to good drafting. And maybe the coaches and players do feel like they're 2-3 impact players away from making a difference. spkb25 likes this.

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NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by spkb25 31 is all but a second, and then we have two 3's. so moving to six with 13 and 44, IMHO, makes sense. We still end up with 3 picks after that... So basically we give up 1 pick to move 7 spots, not bad and you still end up with 4 picks in first 3 I am not saying we will, I am just saying it is good value if we do If you want to play with words knock yourself out, but 31st pick is a first round pick and comes with a 5th year option. A second round pick does not. As I said, the Saints have one 2nd round pick. As for moving up, they shouldn't. They should keep all of their picks and take BPA.
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