Argument against this?

spkb25 · 04-12-2015, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

Saints only have one second rounder. Saints have two third rounders.

31 is all but a second, and then we have two 3's. so moving to six with 13 and 44, IMHO, makes sense. We still end up with 3 picks after that...

So basically we give up 1 pick to move 7 spots, not bad and you still end up with 4 picks in first 3

I am not saying we will, I am just saying it is good value if we do

NonieT · 04-12-2015, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

31 is all but a second, and then we have two 3's. so moving to six with 13 and 44, IMHO, makes sense. We still end up with 3 picks after that...

So basically we give up 1 pick to move 7 spots, not bad and you still end up with 4 picks in first 3

I am not saying we will, I am just saying it is good value if we do

If you want to play with words knock yourself out, but 31st pick is a first round pick and comes with a 5th year option. A second round pick does not. As I said, the Saints have one 2nd round pick. As for moving up, they shouldn't. They should keep all of their picks and take BPA.

spkb25 · 04-12-2015, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

If you want to play with words knock yourself out, but 31st pick is a first round pick and comes with a 5th year option. A second round pick does not. As I said, the Saints have one 2nd round pick. As for moving up, they shouldn't. They should keep all of their picks and take BPA.

play with words, okay it is a first that is two picks ahead of a second, who cares, it is as good as a second, so we are not losing anything there. Again, I am not saying we will, but if the guy we want requires it I say we pull the trigger

saintsfan1976 · 04-12-2015, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

Saints only have one second rounder. Saints have two third rounders.

Thank you for correcting me.

I could see our draft play out like this:

Trade a 2nd to get a higher 1st. Then draft at 31

Trade a 4th to get back into the 2nd.

spkb25 · 04-12-2015, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Thank you for correcting me.

I could see our draft play out like this:

Trade a 2nd to get a higher 1st. Then draft at 31

Trade a 4th to get back into the 2nd.

our 4rth went for Unger

saintsfan1976 · 04-13-2015, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

our 4rth went for Unger

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TwistedTiger · 04-12-2015, 04:27 PM

The Saints have been trading up and losing picks, but it really hasn't worked. Now they find themselves in a position where they need immediate help at several positions. With three picks in the first 44 they have the chance to fill a few of those needs with quality starters. If the Saints were one star player away from the Superbowl it would be different, but they are not. With 9 picks they are set up to make significant improvement with young players. Brees time is limited, the Saints can't afford to blow another draft.

saintsfan1976 · 04-12-2015, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by TwistedTiger

The Saints have been trading up and losing picks, but it really hasn't worked. Now they find themselves in a position where they need immediate help at several positions. With three picks in the first 44 they have the chance to fill a few of those needs with quality starters. If the Saints were one star player away from the Superbowl it would be different, but they are not. With 9 picks they are set up to make significant improvement with young players. Brees time is limited, the Saints can't afford to blow another draft.

Sure, but a roster is only 51 guys. Are you saying all 9 draft picks will make the roster/PS?

Look if we lose one pick to grab a difference maker and still have 4 picks in the top 78, I'm feeling pretty good.

TwistedTiger · 04-12-2015, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Sure, but a roster is only 51 guys. Are you saying all 9 draft picks will make the roster/PS?

Look if we lose one pick to grab a difference maker and still have 4 picks in the top 78, I'm feeling pretty good.

No, the 3rd through 7th is a real crap shot. However the more picks you have there the more likely you are to hit on one or two. The first 3 picks are where the odds are high and the Saints need to hit on all three. Like I said, they aren't one great player away they are several quality starters away.

blackangold · 04-12-2015, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by TwistedTiger

No, the 3rd through 7th is a real crap shot. However the more picks you have there the more likely you are to hit on one or two. The first 3 picks are where the odds are high and the Saints need to hit on all three. Like I said, they aren't one great player away they are several quality starters away.

I dont think we NEED to hit on any picks to have a shot at the title this year.

We have a ton of talent with very minimal holes. You could argue this team has more talent than last years, we just need them to play to their potential.

I say trade up with #31 and target Beasley, keep 13 and see who falls.

04-12-2015, 07:29 PM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,138	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by NonieT Saints only have one second rounder. Saints have two third rounders. 31 is all but a second, and then we have two 3's. so moving to six with 13 and 44, IMHO, makes sense. We still end up with 3 picks after that... So basically we give up 1 pick to move 7 spots, not bad and you still end up with 4 picks in first 3 I am not saying we will, I am just saying it is good value if we do

04-12-2015, 07:46 PM	#2
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by spkb25 31 is all but a second, and then we have two 3's. so moving to six with 13 and 44, IMHO, makes sense. We still end up with 3 picks after that... So basically we give up 1 pick to move 7 spots, not bad and you still end up with 4 picks in first 3 I am not saying we will, I am just saying it is good value if we do If you want to play with words knock yourself out, but 31st pick is a first round pick and comes with a 5th year option. A second round pick does not. As I said, the Saints have one 2nd round pick. As for moving up, they shouldn't. They should keep all of their picks and take BPA.
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04-12-2015, 07:31 PM	#4
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,017 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by NonieT Saints only have one second rounder. Saints have two third rounders. Thank you for correcting me. I could see our draft play out like this: Trade a 2nd to get a higher 1st. Then draft at 31 Trade a 4th to get back into the 2nd.
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04-12-2015, 08:06 PM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,138	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Thank you for correcting me. I could see our draft play out like this: Trade a 2nd to get a higher 1st. Then draft at 31 Trade a 4th to get back into the 2nd. our 4rth went for Unger

04-13-2015, 03:43 PM	#6
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,017 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by spkb25 our 4rth went for Unger . spkb25 and RaginCajun83 like this.

04-12-2015, 08:03 PM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,138	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by NonieT If you want to play with words knock yourself out, but 31st pick is a first round pick and comes with a 5th year option. A second round pick does not. As I said, the Saints have one 2nd round pick. As for moving up, they shouldn't. They should keep all of their picks and take BPA. play with words, okay it is a first that is two picks ahead of a second, who cares, it is as good as a second, so we are not losing anything there. Again, I am not saying we will, but if the guy we want requires it I say we pull the trigger

04-12-2015, 04:27 PM	#7
TwistedTiger 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 180	Re: Argument against this? The Saints have been trading up and losing picks, but it really hasn't worked. Now they find themselves in a position where they need immediate help at several positions. With three picks in the first 44 they have the chance to fill a few of those needs with quality starters. If the Saints were one star player away from the Superbowl it would be different, but they are not. With 9 picks they are set up to make significant improvement with young players. Brees time is limited, the Saints can't afford to blow another draft. jnormand, foreverfan, Beastmode and 1 others like this.
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04-12-2015, 04:32 PM	#8
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,017 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by TwistedTiger The Saints have been trading up and losing picks, but it really hasn't worked. Now they find themselves in a position where they need immediate help at several positions. With three picks in the first 44 they have the chance to fill a few of those needs with quality starters. If the Saints were one star player away from the Superbowl it would be different, but they are not. With 9 picks they are set up to make significant improvement with young players. Brees time is limited, the Saints can't afford to blow another draft. Sure, but a roster is only 51 guys. Are you saying all 9 draft picks will make the roster/PS? Look if we lose one pick to grab a difference maker and still have 4 picks in the top 78, I'm feeling pretty good. spkb25, foreverfan, jeanpierre and 1 others like this.

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TwistedTiger 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 180	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Sure, but a roster is only 51 guys. Are you saying all 9 draft picks will make the roster/PS? Look if we lose one pick to grab a difference maker and still have 4 picks in the top 78, I'm feeling pretty good. No, the 3rd through 7th is a real crap shot. However the more picks you have there the more likely you are to hit on one or two. The first 3 picks are where the odds are high and the Saints need to hit on all three. Like I said, they aren't one great player away they are several quality starters away.
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04-12-2015, 07:34 PM	#10
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by TwistedTiger No, the 3rd through 7th is a real crap shot. However the more picks you have there the more likely you are to hit on one or two. The first 3 picks are where the odds are high and the Saints need to hit on all three. Like I said, they aren't one great player away they are several quality starters away. I dont think we NEED to hit on any picks to have a shot at the title this year. We have a ton of talent with very minimal holes. You could argue this team has more talent than last years, we just need them to play to their potential. I say trade up with #31 and target Beasley, keep 13 and see who falls. saintsfan1976 likes this.

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