Argument against this?

spkb25 · 04-12-2015, 02:14 PM

If we package our second round pick with 13 we could move to 6, by still having 31 that effectively still gives us a second round selection with 2 third rounders to come. I don't think this is a bad scenario at all.

NonieT · 04-12-2015, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

If we package our second round pick with 13 we could move to 6, by still having 31 that effectively still gives us a second round selection with 2 third rounders to come. I don't think this is a bad scenario at all.

I do. Most of the talent is in rounds 2- the top of 5. We don't need to move it. Stay put and take BPA or move down and get more picks.

spkb25 · 04-12-2015, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

I do. Most of the talent is in rounds 2- the top of 5. We don't need to move it. Stay put and take BPA or move down and get more picks.

GOT YA, FROM WHAT I have read is there about 10 maybe 12 top guys and then a ton of guys with exactly the same talent level. So to me being outside that spot where the top talent is you trade up, and then you still have 2 3rds, and 31.

You end up with top 6 pick, and still have 3 more in first 3. No??

NonieT · 04-12-2015, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

GOT YA, FROM WHAT I have read is there about 10 maybe 12 top guys and then a ton of guys with exactly the same talent level. So to me being outside that spot where the top talent is you trade up, and then you still have 2 3rds, and 31.

You end up with top 6 pick, and still have 3 more in first 3. No??

NO, NO, & NO!!!!!!!! Stay put.

blackangold · 04-12-2015, 03:09 PM

I like the Idea.

There are two guys I really want, and I don't think either will be there at 13.

Beasley and Shelton.

If we move up and give up our 2nd rounder for one of those guys ill be happy about it.

Rugby Saint II · 04-12-2015, 04:17 PM

We have too much talent in the first two rounds to trade a pick away.......but if I did it would be for Shelton.

Mr.Riaton · 04-12-2015, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

If we package our second round pick with 13 we could move to 6, by still having 31 that effectively still gives us a second round selection with 2 third rounders to come. I don't think this is a bad scenario at all.

I can legitimately see Loomis doing just that. Weren't they in talks with Washington about trading up? I don't think that would be a bad idea,but I would really like to see them trade our 13 and a player so we can keep our second....that would be nice.

NonieT · 04-12-2015, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

We have too much talent in the first two rounds to trade a pick away.......but if I did it would be for Shelton.

I agree and not even for Shelton. We can find someone else. You said it. There's too much talent in the first two rounds to trade a pick away.

saintsfan1976 · 04-12-2015, 05:27 PM

I've gone back and forth on this.

But have to say; only losing one of our 2nd round picks to grab a game-changer is tempting.

TwistedTiger · 04-12-2015, 05:27 PM

The Saints have been trading up and losing picks, but it really hasn't worked. Now they find themselves in a position where they need immediate help at several positions. With three picks in the first 44 they have the chance to fill a few of those needs with quality starters. If the Saints were one star player away from the Superbowl it would be different, but they are not. With 9 picks they are set up to make significant improvement with young players. Brees time is limited, the Saints can't afford to blow another draft.

04-12-2015, 02:14 PM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Argument against this? If we package our second round pick with 13 we could move to 6, by still having 31 that effectively still gives us a second round selection with 2 third rounders to come. I don't think this is a bad scenario at all. hagan714 likes this.

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NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by spkb25 If we package our second round pick with 13 we could move to 6, by still having 31 that effectively still gives us a second round selection with 2 third rounders to come. I don't think this is a bad scenario at all. I do. Most of the talent is in rounds 2- the top of 5. We don't need to move it. Stay put and take BPA or move down and get more picks.
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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by NonieT I do. Most of the talent is in rounds 2- the top of 5. We don't need to move it. Stay put and take BPA or move down and get more picks. GOT YA, FROM WHAT I have read is there about 10 maybe 12 top guys and then a ton of guys with exactly the same talent level. So to me being outside that spot where the top talent is you trade up, and then you still have 2 3rds, and 31. You end up with top 6 pick, and still have 3 more in first 3. No?? jeanpierre likes this.

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NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by spkb25 GOT YA, FROM WHAT I have read is there about 10 maybe 12 top guys and then a ton of guys with exactly the same talent level. So to me being outside that spot where the top talent is you trade up, and then you still have 2 3rds, and 31. You end up with top 6 pick, and still have 3 more in first 3. No?? NO, NO, & NO!!!!!!!! Stay put.
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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Argument against this? I like the Idea. There are two guys I really want, and I don't think either will be there at 13. Beasley and Shelton. If we move up and give up our 2nd rounder for one of those guys ill be happy about it. spkb25 likes this.

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Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by spkb25 If we package our second round pick with 13 we could move to 6, by still having 31 that effectively still gives us a second round selection with 2 third rounders to come. I don't think this is a bad scenario at all. I can legitimately see Loomis doing just that. Weren't they in talks with Washington about trading up? I don't think that would be a bad idea,but I would really like to see them trade our 13 and a player so we can keep our second....that would be nice. jeanpierre likes this.

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NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Argument against this? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II We have too much talent in the first two rounds to trade a pick away.......but if I did it would be for Shelton. I agree and not even for Shelton. We can find someone else. You said it. There's too much talent in the first two rounds to trade a pick away.
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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Argument against this? I've gone back and forth on this. But have to say; only losing one of our 2nd round picks to grab a game-changer is tempting.

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TwistedTiger 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 180	Re: Argument against this? The Saints have been trading up and losing picks, but it really hasn't worked. Now they find themselves in a position where they need immediate help at several positions. With three picks in the first 44 they have the chance to fill a few of those needs with quality starters. If the Saints were one star player away from the Superbowl it would be different, but they are not. With 9 picks they are set up to make significant improvement with young players. Brees time is limited, the Saints can't afford to blow another draft. jnormand, foreverfan, Beastmode and 1 others like this.
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