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baronm · 01-29-2005, 07:29 PM

i\"d do a brooks for carr straight up..carr is a better qb on a much worse team.

i\'d love to land brees..but that isn\'t happening..

I think our best bet would be to get say henson and a pick or bledsoe/griese type and develop their replacement.

saintswhodi · 01-29-2005, 08:02 PM

So almighty Gumbo, tell me what our record would have been had we played 8 games without Horn? And then throw in McKenizie for three more. Wanna venture a guess what our record woulda been? I will, 4-12. You do know Moss was hurt for the Vikes right? He went down in our game. He STILL wasn\'t healthy for the playoff game. You do know their best secondary player Winfield was out 2-3 games right? Ouch is right. Hard to argue when you don\'t know the facts. But i\'ll keep giving them to you. Also, Vikes in the playoffs, us not. Yeah, I am sure they were jealous of us.

xrotflmao:

saintswhodi · 01-29-2005, 08:03 PM

baron, I would trade AB for about half the league straight up, but definitely Carr.

ScottyRo · 01-29-2005, 08:07 PM

Well, we didn\'t have MM at the beginning of the year so it\'s kinda like we already missed our best secondary player for more than just 2-3 games.

Horn was injured for many games but didn\'t miss one.

I could only hope that Stallworth might have stepped up and made some more plays. Hope.

saintswhodi · 01-29-2005, 08:15 PM

We DO agree on that Scotty. Stallworth could have stepped up more, but with all the injuries he has had, this is honestly like his second year. I am glad he played the whole season, but he DEFINITELY needs to step up. Big time.

Saint_LB · 01-29-2005, 08:41 PM

Anyone who would not trade AB straaight up for Eli couldn\'t possibly be a true Saint fan, and, IMHO, doesn\'t know too much about football, really. Eli is from New Orleans, and just happens to be the son of a Wall of Famer. He is also the brother of Peyton Manning. If you are judging Eli by his record this year, then obviously you just read the scores in the paper and don\'t have a clue as to how he really looked. You also probably never saw him play once for Ole Miss. Some of the things I read in this forum are mind-boggling. But, if you are one of those who wouldn\'t want him here, you don\'t have to worry. There is no doubt in my mind that if NO would have had the first pick in the draft, that he would\'ve told them the same thing he told the Chargers...thanks, but no thanks.

saintswhodi · 01-29-2005, 09:28 PM

I agree with what you saod LB about trading AB for Eli straight up. If you don\'t wanna pull that deal, you obviously have not seen Eli play. He would put Brooks to shame. Give that kid a decent team, and he will surpass Brooks also, like Palmer and Carr and Leftwich and probably the rookies that are out there this year.

ScottyRo · 01-29-2005, 09:45 PM

Anyone who would not trade AB straaight up for Eli couldn\'t possibly be a true Saint fan, and, IMHO, doesn\'t know too much about football, really. Eli is from New Orleans, and just happens to be the son of a Wall of Famer. He is also the brother of Peyton Manning. If you are judging Eli by his record this year, then obviously you just read the scores in the paper and don\'t have a clue as to how he really looked. You also probably never saw him play once for Ole Miss. Some of the things I read in this forum are mind-boggling. But, if you are one of those who wouldn\'t want him here, you don\'t have to worry. There is no doubt in my mind that if NO would have had the first pick in the draft, that he would\'ve told them the same thing he told the Chargers...thanks, but no thanks.

Excuse me for having an opinion. It\'s just that I\'m not ready to annoint him a great NFL QB because of his lineage and his hometown. I don\'t now for sure, but you might be suffering from hero worship a little bit here. You did author that post that thanks Archie and Favre\'s dad, right?

Oh, the \"true saints fan\" argument. Really? You really want to be the one to define what a true fan is? I guess the next thing you\'re gonna tell me is that you\'ve been watching the Saints for 37 years and that gives you some kind of knowledge I can\'t possbly have since I\'ve only been watching since the 80s. That statement blows, LB.

I\'ve watched a couple games of Eli at Ole\' Miss and I wasn\'t really impressed. In contrast, I watched a couple games with Peyton at Tenn and saw a great college QB. I\'m not saying Eli wont be a star, but it\'s too early to tell.

Now, I didn\'t see Eli play one game this year, but I\'m pretty sure that even Aikman while going 1-15 in his rookie season (i know he didn\'t start them all) was able to hit at least one of his top WRs for a TD that first year. Did Eli? OOOHHH, I\'m sorry. No bonus points awarded.

saintswhodi · 01-29-2005, 10:05 PM

Now I am not one to question anyone\'s level of fanship to this team, as I feel we are all TRUE fans or we wouldn\'t be on this site. What I wish is that people would pause just two seconds before they post an argument. Scotty, do you think that throwing to HALL OF FAME WR Michael Irvin helped Aikman to throw a TD to a WR? The majority of their line was in place too. They got Emmitt the next year and he led all rookies in the NFL in rushing and TDs. You forget also Warner was under center for 9 games and he couldn\'t get a TD out of those WRs either. Eli only had 7 games to work a miracle with that crap, again, BECAUSE THE TEAM DI DNOT WANT TO GET WARNER KILLED. And they STILL were a decent defense from beating the number one team in the NFL. Come on man. You have better stuff than that. That was easy.

ScottyRo · 01-29-2005, 10:13 PM

Nah, I think Emmitt and Troy made the Hall of Fame WR a Hall of Fame WR. Not to mention the refs completely ignored that he\'s the pushoff king of the NFL, but that\'s all for another thread on another forum. It might have been a bad example but it\'s the right sentiment.

BECAUSE THE TEAM DI DNOT WANT TO GET WARNER KILLED

Now, you\'ve realy got to explain this to me. If they were worried about Warner getting killed, why would they put in the future at QB to get killed? I would rather see Warner go down than Eli, if I\'m the Giants HC or GM.

01-29-2005, 07:29 PM	#41
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	QB only i\"d do a brooks for carr straight up..carr is a better qb on a much worse team. i\'d love to land brees..but that isn\'t happening.. I think our best bet would be to get say henson and a pick or bledsoe/griese type and develop their replacement.
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01-29-2005, 08:02 PM	#42
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	QB only So almighty Gumbo, tell me what our record would have been had we played 8 games without Horn? And then throw in McKenizie for three more. Wanna venture a guess what our record woulda been? I will, 4-12. You do know Moss was hurt for the Vikes right? He went down in our game. He STILL wasn\'t healthy for the playoff game. You do know their best secondary player Winfield was out 2-3 games right? Ouch is right. Hard to argue when you don\'t know the facts. But i\'ll keep giving them to you. Also, Vikes in the playoffs, us not. Yeah, I am sure they were jealous of us. xrotflmao:

01-29-2005, 08:03 PM	#43
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	QB only baron, I would trade AB for about half the league straight up, but definitely Carr.

01-29-2005, 08:07 PM	#44
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	QB only Well, we didn\'t have MM at the beginning of the year so it\'s kinda like we already missed our best secondary player for more than just 2-3 games. Horn was injured for many games but didn\'t miss one. I could only hope that Stallworth might have stepped up and made some more plays. Hope.

01-29-2005, 08:15 PM	#45
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	QB only We DO agree on that Scotty. Stallworth could have stepped up more, but with all the injuries he has had, this is honestly like his second year. I am glad he played the whole season, but he DEFINITELY needs to step up. Big time.

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01-29-2005, 08:41 PM	#46
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	QB only Anyone who would not trade AB straaight up for Eli couldn\'t possibly be a true Saint fan, and, IMHO, doesn\'t know too much about football, really. Eli is from New Orleans, and just happens to be the son of a Wall of Famer. He is also the brother of Peyton Manning. If you are judging Eli by his record this year, then obviously you just read the scores in the paper and don\'t have a clue as to how he really looked. You also probably never saw him play once for Ole Miss. Some of the things I read in this forum are mind-boggling. But, if you are one of those who wouldn\'t want him here, you don\'t have to worry. There is no doubt in my mind that if NO would have had the first pick in the draft, that he would\'ve told them the same thing he told the Chargers...thanks, but no thanks.
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01-29-2005, 09:28 PM	#47
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	QB only I agree with what you saod LB about trading AB for Eli straight up. If you don\'t wanna pull that deal, you obviously have not seen Eli play. He would put Brooks to shame. Give that kid a decent team, and he will surpass Brooks also, like Palmer and Carr and Leftwich and probably the rookies that are out there this year.

01-29-2005, 09:45 PM	#48
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	QB only Anyone who would not trade AB straaight up for Eli couldn\'t possibly be a true Saint fan, and, IMHO, doesn\'t know too much about football, really. Eli is from New Orleans, and just happens to be the son of a Wall of Famer. He is also the brother of Peyton Manning. If you are judging Eli by his record this year, then obviously you just read the scores in the paper and don\'t have a clue as to how he really looked. You also probably never saw him play once for Ole Miss. Some of the things I read in this forum are mind-boggling. But, if you are one of those who wouldn\'t want him here, you don\'t have to worry. There is no doubt in my mind that if NO would have had the first pick in the draft, that he would\'ve told them the same thing he told the Chargers...thanks, but no thanks. Excuse me for having an opinion. It\'s just that I\'m not ready to annoint him a great NFL QB because of his lineage and his hometown. I don\'t now for sure, but you might be suffering from hero worship a little bit here. You did author that post that thanks Archie and Favre\'s dad, right? Oh, the \"true saints fan\" argument. Really? You really want to be the one to define what a true fan is? I guess the next thing you\'re gonna tell me is that you\'ve been watching the Saints for 37 years and that gives you some kind of knowledge I can\'t possbly have since I\'ve only been watching since the 80s. That statement blows, LB. I\'ve watched a couple games of Eli at Ole\' Miss and I wasn\'t really impressed. In contrast, I watched a couple games with Peyton at Tenn and saw a great college QB. I\'m not saying Eli wont be a star, but it\'s too early to tell. Now, I didn\'t see Eli play one game this year, but I\'m pretty sure that even Aikman while going 1-15 in his rookie season (i know he didn\'t start them all) was able to hit at least one of his top WRs for a TD that first year. Did Eli? OOOHHH, I\'m sorry. No bonus points awarded.

01-29-2005, 10:05 PM	#49
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	QB only Now I am not one to question anyone\'s level of fanship to this team, as I feel we are all TRUE fans or we wouldn\'t be on this site. What I wish is that people would pause just two seconds before they post an argument. Scotty, do you think that throwing to HALL OF FAME WR Michael Irvin helped Aikman to throw a TD to a WR? The majority of their line was in place too. They got Emmitt the next year and he led all rookies in the NFL in rushing and TDs. You forget also Warner was under center for 9 games and he couldn\'t get a TD out of those WRs either. Eli only had 7 games to work a miracle with that crap, again, BECAUSE THE TEAM DI DNOT WANT TO GET WARNER KILLED. And they STILL were a decent defense from beating the number one team in the NFL. Come on man. You have better stuff than that. That was easy.

01-29-2005, 10:13 PM	#50
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	QB only Nah, I think Emmitt and Troy made the Hall of Fame WR a Hall of Fame WR. Not to mention the refs completely ignored that he\'s the pushoff king of the NFL, but that\'s all for another thread on another forum. It might have been a bad example but it\'s the right sentiment. BECAUSE THE TEAM DI DNOT WANT TO GET WARNER KILLED Now, you\'ve realy got to explain this to me. If they were worried about Warner getting killed, why would they put in the future at QB to get killed? I would rather see Warner go down than Eli, if I\'m the Giants HC or GM.