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LKelley67 · 01-27-2005, 01:27 AM

i know this is a hot button around here but without any diatribe or long winded essays could i see a show of hands...

move brooks for whatever can be had in draft picks or defensive players. do not sign a big name FA ala hasslebeck but make due with stopgap variety like kitna and/or a top rookie (whatever flavor you like- smith, walter, etc).

YES move him or NO keep him?

YES here

xan · 01-27-2005, 02:49 AM

With McNuggets moving out as OC, Mr. Brooks will have to learn a new system and find a way to understand the communication style of the new OC. Being as how he\'s not demonstrated a competent grasp of the current system, I fear that there is a strong likelihood of a regression of the offense if he remains.

Let\'s find Leon a new home and get a draft pick or something for his unloved self.

YES

shadowdrinker · 01-27-2005, 03:47 AM

It might not be a bad idea to get rid of him now..while we still have a strong enough run game to compensate for a young qb\'..and the mistakes that would certainly ensue

I would only consider trading him for fair compensation..which is a totally different ordeal..and I fear many huge debates would follow to establish what exactly is fair compensation...

But..we don\'t have to get rid of him to replace him..it certainly would help with the cap though...

get rid of him now...get what you can...and move on..

baronm · 01-27-2005, 09:06 AM

yes-i think just about any rookie QB would be about the same as he is overall.

dberce1 · 01-27-2005, 09:25 AM

May as well develop a new young QB if a new system is to be installed. By the time Brooks grasps a new system, he\'ll be in the twilight of his career. Give a rookie/youngster the reins, let him learn, and by that time he\'ll be well developed.

saintswhodi · 01-27-2005, 10:09 AM

All in favor, say AYE!!! AYE AYE AYE AYE AYE AYE AYE AYE. I don\'t see how a rookie or a veteran free agent could do any worse. I said in another thread the exact same as xan. In 5 years he has not mastered this system, now he has to learn a new one? No thanks.

BrooksMustGo · 01-27-2005, 10:17 AM

Deal him.

No cutting, he should only go if we get compensation for him.

LongTimeFan · 01-27-2005, 11:41 AM

I was ready to see Brooks go but after I saw how bad the OL was I say let\'s try and build the line, Deuce didn\'t have a very good year or Brooks, the problem is up front, shouldn\'t be an arugement here, we were horrible, not sure that we will have the problem corrected by next season, I\'m thinking that it will take 2 years to get the line working like everybody wants,
Not that easy to just cut him, who will we have then?, Bledsoe who won\'t be a starter for the Bills reports say.

LongTimeFan

saintswhodi · 01-27-2005, 02:05 PM

Not that easy to just cut him, who will we have then?,

LongTime Fan, I think the point of everyone in this thread is WHO CARES who we have then. Has AB led us to the playoffs the last 4 years? No. Was he one of the league leaders in turnovers since he has been a starter? Yes. Has he ever been able to post better than a .500 record? No. Is he usually embarrasing the Saints on national tv with dumb plays? Yes. Is he arrogant with not one ounce of a reason to be? Yes. Is he an ego-maniac? Apparantly so. So tell me, who couldn\'t we have that would be an improvement? I am willing to struggle with a rookie cause at least you can say, well he\'s a rookie. Not a 5 year starter who appears to be gettign worse as the seasons go on but his ego gets bigger.

Saint78 · 01-27-2005, 08:33 PM

In my opinon I think the Saints should hire an OC that can run the spread offense maybe even Mike Martz top offensive asst. The Saints have built an offense almost idenical to the Rams \"Greatest Show on Turf\". ex.:
M. Faulk = Deuce
I. Bruce = Horn
T. Holt = Stallworth
E. Conwell = E. Conwell
A. Hakim = M. Lewis/ Devry
R. Prohel = J. Pathon/ T. Gardner(maybe)
The only thing missing is the qb, & while I think Brooks could thrive in this type offense maybe a change would be good and maybe we go get K. Warner ( God help me, I never thought I would say that!) and move up in the draft to get Aaron Rogers from Cal to groom for 1 or 2 years cause lets face it we have to win now and can not afford to waste a year on a rookie qb. After all for outside of Big Ben I can\'t remember a qb, even the great ones, that had a great rookie year that includes Peyton.

01-27-2005, 01:27 AM	#1
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	QB only i know this is a hot button around here but without any diatribe or long winded essays could i see a show of hands... move brooks for whatever can be had in draft picks or defensive players. do not sign a big name FA ala hasslebeck but make due with stopgap variety like kitna and/or a top rookie (whatever flavor you like- smith, walter, etc). YES move him or NO keep him? YES here

01-27-2005, 02:49 AM	#2
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	QB only With McNuggets moving out as OC, Mr. Brooks will have to learn a new system and find a way to understand the communication style of the new OC. Being as how he\'s not demonstrated a competent grasp of the current system, I fear that there is a strong likelihood of a regression of the offense if he remains. Let\'s find Leon a new home and get a draft pick or something for his unloved self. YES

01-27-2005, 03:47 AM	#3
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	QB only It might not be a bad idea to get rid of him now..while we still have a strong enough run game to compensate for a young qb\'..and the mistakes that would certainly ensue I would only consider trading him for fair compensation..which is a totally different ordeal..and I fear many huge debates would follow to establish what exactly is fair compensation... But..we don\'t have to get rid of him to replace him..it certainly would help with the cap though... get rid of him now...get what you can...and move on..
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01-27-2005, 09:06 AM	#4
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	QB only yes-i think just about any rookie QB would be about the same as he is overall.
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01-27-2005, 09:25 AM	#5
dberce1 Chuck Liddells Right Hand Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Prairieville, Louisiana Posts: 1,227	QB only May as well develop a new young QB if a new system is to be installed. By the time Brooks grasps a new system, he\'ll be in the twilight of his career. Give a rookie/youngster the reins, let him learn, and by that time he\'ll be well developed.

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01-27-2005, 10:09 AM	#6
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	QB only All in favor, say AYE!!! AYE AYE AYE AYE AYE AYE AYE AYE. I don\'t see how a rookie or a veteran free agent could do any worse. I said in another thread the exact same as xan. In 5 years he has not mastered this system, now he has to learn a new one? No thanks.

01-27-2005, 10:17 AM	#7
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	QB only Deal him. No cutting, he should only go if we get compensation for him.

01-27-2005, 11:41 AM	#8
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	QB only I was ready to see Brooks go but after I saw how bad the OL was I say let\'s try and build the line, Deuce didn\'t have a very good year or Brooks, the problem is up front, shouldn\'t be an arugement here, we were horrible, not sure that we will have the problem corrected by next season, I\'m thinking that it will take 2 years to get the line working like everybody wants, Not that easy to just cut him, who will we have then?, Bledsoe who won\'t be a starter for the Bills reports say. LongTimeFan
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01-27-2005, 02:05 PM	#9
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	QB only Not that easy to just cut him, who will we have then?, LongTime Fan, I think the point of everyone in this thread is WHO CARES who we have then. Has AB led us to the playoffs the last 4 years? No. Was he one of the league leaders in turnovers since he has been a starter? Yes. Has he ever been able to post better than a .500 record? No. Is he usually embarrasing the Saints on national tv with dumb plays? Yes. Is he arrogant with not one ounce of a reason to be? Yes. Is he an ego-maniac? Apparantly so. So tell me, who couldn\'t we have that would be an improvement? I am willing to struggle with a rookie cause at least you can say, well he\'s a rookie. Not a 5 year starter who appears to be gettign worse as the seasons go on but his ego gets bigger.

01-27-2005, 08:33 PM	#10
Saint78 Registered Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 62	QB only In my opinon I think the Saints should hire an OC that can run the spread offense maybe even Mike Martz top offensive asst. The Saints have built an offense almost idenical to the Rams \"Greatest Show on Turf\". ex.: M. Faulk = Deuce I. Bruce = Horn T. Holt = Stallworth E. Conwell = E. Conwell A. Hakim = M. Lewis/ Devry R. Prohel = J. Pathon/ T. Gardner(maybe) The only thing missing is the qb, & while I think Brooks could thrive in this type offense maybe a change would be good and maybe we go get K. Warner ( God help me, I never thought I would say that!) and move up in the draft to get Aaron Rogers from Cal to groom for 1 or 2 years cause lets face it we have to win now and can not afford to waste a year on a rookie qb. After all for outside of Big Ben I can\'t remember a qb, even the great ones, that had a great rookie year that includes Peyton.
Saint78 Registered Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 62