Deuce is lazy?

saintfan · 02-02-2005, 04:41 PM

Without bringing AB into this thread whodi, wouldn\'t you agree that Deuce is likely to want a relative TON of money in the near future, and wouldn\'t you further agree that we could get that production from a \"lesser\" player...a rookie even? 1000 yard backs seem pretty common these days.

saintswhodi · 02-02-2005, 04:45 PM

But that is my EXACT argument for AB. Doesn\'t that seem hypocritical? If it works for Deuce, why not AB? He is already making comments about being under-appreciated. Deuc ehas DONE IT on a rookie contract for the past 3 years. He deserves to be paid. If we wanna examing turnovers per TD, I am sure AB\'s numbers would be appalling. But I won\'t bring that into this thread, so you guys keep thinking Deuce isn\'t worth it and AB is. Just seems flat out hypocritical to me. Where was all this talk when he was going to the pro bowl?

saintfan · 02-02-2005, 05:02 PM

If it\'s your argument against AB, what\'s wrong with it regarding Deuce? Relative to the \"top\" backs, he just doesn\'t score a lot...lots of yards, but not lots of TD\'s, and that\'s what matters right? Brooks, when he requested his \"raise\", had just been the QB on the first Saints team ever to win a playoff game...and he was being paid less than the 3rd string QB. I\'d say I might have asked for one too. Might you have done the same? But that\'s enough about Brooks.

Deuce has been to a pro bowl...keyword there is \"Has\". I\'m glad for that, but I\'m not ready to give him a pass for the rest of his career for it either.

saintswhodi · 02-02-2005, 05:05 PM

Okay, so let\'s trade both of them and start over? Fair? Other players from that playoff winning team have been shipped off, why not AB? SO let\'s just trade both of them this off-season. Okay?

RDOX · 02-02-2005, 05:07 PM

Without bringing AB into this thread whodi, wouldn\'t you agree that Deuce is likely to want a relative TON of money in the near future, and wouldn\'t you further agree that we could get that production from a \"lesser\" player...a rookie even? 1000 yard backs seem pretty common these days.

After reading all of this confusion, I\'ve decided what we need to do is to take Deuce out and shoot him. If we kill him then he won\'t gain weight or sprain his ankle or anything else bad for the Saints. Let\'s do the same thing to Charles Grant, Courtney Watson, Bockwoldt, Mitch Berger, Mike McKenzie, LeCharles Bently, Joe Horn, Michael Lewis, and Brian Young.

That way we can really revel in mediocrity with AB at the helm, and Talman Gardner catching, with Henderson trying to figure out which end of the field to run toward, and Stallworth on Injured Reserve for a damned hangnail. Also, Sullivan can tackle the caterer as he makes a dash to the grocery store.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeechhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! You guys have way, way too much time on your hands. Billy, you need to stop posting such drivel.

saintfan · 02-02-2005, 05:10 PM

I\'m not interested in trading either of \'em, \'cause don\'t think either of them are related to what the real problem with our team is. I think the real problem is now what it has been for a while now, and that\'s defense, but I do think it\'s interesting that with one some folks are ready to hang him from the highest tree based on his production and with the other we make excuse after excuse after excuse.

saintfan · 02-02-2005, 05:12 PM

Also, Sullivan can tackle the caterer as he makes a dash to the grocery store.

Now THAT\'S funny.

:rollinglaugh:

GumboBC · 02-02-2005, 05:12 PM

All stats and fumbles aside (seems like I can\'t get reliable stats these days..

)

Deuce has been the starter for 3-years. Put up good rushing yardage in 2 of those seasons.

He would have put up good rushing yardage if not for the O-line and injuries this year.

But, his fumbe/TD ratio is pretty bad. No matter what source you get the stats from.

And Decue was labled as being injury prone coming out of college. And he hasn\'t done much to prove them wrong. He\'s gotten injured for 2 years in a row now. Is next year going to be the 3rd?

I don\'t care how good you are, you\'ve got to be on the field and not play hurt to the point where it\'s affecting your game so much. As was the case this year....

Top 5? Nope. Top 10? Yeah, I can see that.

Now, I think that was fair. Maybe some of you don\'t.

But, as saintfan said, if you\'re going to apply the rules for Brooks, then you should apply them to Deuce.

I don\'t agree with the way Brooks is judged by some and I don\'t agree with the way Deuce is judged by some.

I can compare Deuce\'s TD/fumble ratio and its not good at all.

I can say Deuce isn\'t a great leader. And, IMO, he\'s not.

I can say lots of things. But, all I\'m worried about is if I think they can do the job next year. All this other stuff is in the past and it\'s nothing that can be done about it. Not that some of it shouldn\'t be considered...

yasoon · 02-02-2005, 05:13 PM

You want links, eh?

Here ya go Scotty:

Deuce stats here

Edgerrin James stats here

Curtis Martin stats here

Shawn Alexander stats here

Now, sport, how \'bout posting your stats and links to go with \'em?

OK....I know for a fact that stephen alexander fumbled a couple of times on the goal line this year...I saw your links but you can\'t tell me that Alexander has never lost a fumble in his career.
I know that\'s what nfl.com posted, but the fact that you bought that shows where you\'re coming from.

What\'s your point? Deuce is the reason this team can\'t get over the hump? That\'s absurd. There were no holes this year. A couple of his fumbles, he got smeared right when the ball got put in his gut.

Alexander has 16 career fumbles/13 lost.
Deuce? 15/11 lost

He had a bad year. He played hurt and he was a horse at the end of the year. If you\'re focusing your negativity on Deuce, then you have no idea what you\'re watching, that\'s all I\'m saying. The OC changed the scheme on him, he got hurt on a play where the OLine just moved out of the way for the defenders.

I\'ve been reading your posts and I\'m startnig to think you just want to get a rise out of people. Should we lose Deuce so AB can flourish? Will Deuce make our Defense better if he\'s not here?

Your stats were wrong dude......

ScottyRo · 02-02-2005, 05:14 PM

I, for one, have not said anything about him deserving a pass. I have simply argued that Danno was asking too much of him by complaining that he only got 1000 yards instead of 2000 and that his fumbles aren\'t as bad as people were trying to say.

When I made my little remark about crap, I was joking because I thought we were arguing on the same side about Deuce and that stat doesn\'t exactly scream how good he is. Sorry you took it the wrong way. Now I\'m trying to figure out if you\'re just messing with me or pulling a moderator power trip.

02-02-2005, 04:41 PM	#91
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Deuce is lazy? Without bringing AB into this thread whodi, wouldn\'t you agree that Deuce is likely to want a relative TON of money in the near future, and wouldn\'t you further agree that we could get that production from a \"lesser\" player...a rookie even? 1000 yard backs seem pretty common these days.

02-02-2005, 04:45 PM	#92
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Deuce is lazy? But that is my EXACT argument for AB. Doesn\'t that seem hypocritical? If it works for Deuce, why not AB? He is already making comments about being under-appreciated. Deuc ehas DONE IT on a rookie contract for the past 3 years. He deserves to be paid. If we wanna examing turnovers per TD, I am sure AB\'s numbers would be appalling. But I won\'t bring that into this thread, so you guys keep thinking Deuce isn\'t worth it and AB is. Just seems flat out hypocritical to me. Where was all this talk when he was going to the pro bowl?

02-02-2005, 05:02 PM	#93
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Deuce is lazy? If it\'s your argument against AB, what\'s wrong with it regarding Deuce? Relative to the \"top\" backs, he just doesn\'t score a lot...lots of yards, but not lots of TD\'s, and that\'s what matters right? Brooks, when he requested his \"raise\", had just been the QB on the first Saints team ever to win a playoff game...and he was being paid less than the 3rd string QB. I\'d say I might have asked for one too. Might you have done the same? But that\'s enough about Brooks. Deuce has been to a pro bowl...keyword there is \"Has\". I\'m glad for that, but I\'m not ready to give him a pass for the rest of his career for it either.
	C'mon Man...

02-02-2005, 05:05 PM	#94
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Deuce is lazy? Okay, so let\'s trade both of them and start over? Fair? Other players from that playoff winning team have been shipped off, why not AB? SO let\'s just trade both of them this off-season. Okay?

02-02-2005, 05:07 PM	#95
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	Deuce is lazy? Without bringing AB into this thread whodi, wouldn\'t you agree that Deuce is likely to want a relative TON of money in the near future, and wouldn\'t you further agree that we could get that production from a \"lesser\" player...a rookie even? 1000 yard backs seem pretty common these days. After reading all of this confusion, I\'ve decided what we need to do is to take Deuce out and shoot him. If we kill him then he won\'t gain weight or sprain his ankle or anything else bad for the Saints. Let\'s do the same thing to Charles Grant, Courtney Watson, Bockwoldt, Mitch Berger, Mike McKenzie, LeCharles Bently, Joe Horn, Michael Lewis, and Brian Young. That way we can really revel in mediocrity with AB at the helm, and Talman Gardner catching, with Henderson trying to figure out which end of the field to run toward, and Stallworth on Injured Reserve for a damned hangnail. Also, Sullivan can tackle the caterer as he makes a dash to the grocery store. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeechhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! You guys have way, way too much time on your hands. Billy, you need to stop posting such drivel.
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02-02-2005, 05:10 PM	#96
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Deuce is lazy? I\'m not interested in trading either of \'em, \'cause don\'t think either of them are related to what the real problem with our team is. I think the real problem is now what it has been for a while now, and that\'s defense, but I do think it\'s interesting that with one some folks are ready to hang him from the highest tree based on his production and with the other we make excuse after excuse after excuse.

02-02-2005, 05:12 PM	#97
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Deuce is lazy? Also, Sullivan can tackle the caterer as he makes a dash to the grocery store. Now THAT\'S funny. :rollinglaugh:

02-02-2005, 05:12 PM	#98
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Deuce is lazy? All stats and fumbles aside (seems like I can\'t get reliable stats these days.. ) Deuce has been the starter for 3-years. Put up good rushing yardage in 2 of those seasons. He would have put up good rushing yardage if not for the O-line and injuries this year. But, his fumbe/TD ratio is pretty bad. No matter what source you get the stats from. And Decue was labled as being injury prone coming out of college. And he hasn\'t done much to prove them wrong. He\'s gotten injured for 2 years in a row now. Is next year going to be the 3rd? I don\'t care how good you are, you\'ve got to be on the field and not play hurt to the point where it\'s affecting your game so much. As was the case this year.... Top 5? Nope. Top 10? Yeah, I can see that. Now, I think that was fair. Maybe some of you don\'t. But, as saintfan said, if you\'re going to apply the rules for Brooks, then you should apply them to Deuce. I don\'t agree with the way Brooks is judged by some and I don\'t agree with the way Deuce is judged by some. I can compare Deuce\'s TD/fumble ratio and its not good at all. I can say Deuce isn\'t a great leader. And, IMO, he\'s not. I can say lots of things. But, all I\'m worried about is if I think they can do the job next year. All this other stuff is in the past and it\'s nothing that can be done about it. Not that some of it shouldn\'t be considered...
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02-02-2005, 05:13 PM	#99
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	Deuce is lazy? You want links, eh? Here ya go Scotty: Deuce stats here Edgerrin James stats here Curtis Martin stats here Shawn Alexander stats here Now, sport, how \'bout posting your stats and links to go with \'em? OK....I know for a fact that stephen alexander fumbled a couple of times on the goal line this year...I saw your links but you can\'t tell me that Alexander has never lost a fumble in his career. I know that\'s what nfl.com posted, but the fact that you bought that shows where you\'re coming from. What\'s your point? Deuce is the reason this team can\'t get over the hump? That\'s absurd. There were no holes this year. A couple of his fumbles, he got smeared right when the ball got put in his gut. Alexander has 16 career fumbles/13 lost. Deuce? 15/11 lost He had a bad year. He played hurt and he was a horse at the end of the year. If you\'re focusing your negativity on Deuce, then you have no idea what you\'re watching, that\'s all I\'m saying. The OC changed the scheme on him, he got hurt on a play where the OLine just moved out of the way for the defenders. I\'ve been reading your posts and I\'m startnig to think you just want to get a rise out of people. Should we lose Deuce so AB can flourish? Will Deuce make our Defense better if he\'s not here? Your stats were wrong dude......
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02-02-2005, 05:14 PM	#100
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Deuce is lazy? I, for one, have not said anything about him deserving a pass. I have simply argued that Danno was asking too much of him by complaining that he only got 1000 yards instead of 2000 and that his fumbles aren\'t as bad as people were trying to say. When I made my little remark about crap, I was joking because I thought we were arguing on the same side about Deuce and that stat doesn\'t exactly scream how good he is. Sorry you took it the wrong way. Now I\'m trying to figure out if you\'re just messing with me or pulling a moderator power trip.