Deuce is lazy?

FireVenturi · 02-01-2005, 03:07 PM

Deuce plays with a lot of heart. But he looks out of shape to me. A little on the chubby side. Of all the top backs, Deuce is the least muscular.

Did you ever see Barry Sanders? He was not ripped at all. Nearly as flabby as me...well maybe not nearly that bad but not in tiptop shape from a visual standpoint. Didn\'t seem to hurt him any.

I do agree with that, but Deuce does not belong in the Same sentence as Barry no matter what we are talking about!

saintswhodi · 02-01-2005, 03:11 PM

You missed the point Venturi, Deuce actually doesn\'t fumble that much compared to other \"great rbs\" in the NFL today. It is understandable how he would on those two considering soon as he got the ball, he was being hit.

FireVenturi · 02-01-2005, 03:15 PM

You missed the point Venturi, Deuce actually doesn\'t fumble that much compared to other \"great rbs\" in the NFL today. It is understandable how he would on those two considering soon as he got the ball, he was being hit.

As i am too lazy to find a link, i would bet he was up there in fumbles this year. Up until this year that was a great part of hi s game. I just think his head was elsewhere...I mean he has a contract to worry about.

ScottyRo · 02-01-2005, 03:27 PM

You don\'t need a link for fumbles (if you trust me). I posted several fumble totals above. I got the stats from the cnn/si site if you want to check on them.

BrooksMustGo · 02-01-2005, 03:44 PM

Just for the sake of argument, let\'s say that Deuce is a cancer and we need to get rid of him.

If we were lucky we\'d get a 2nd rounder for him. I\'m not sure that we\'d get our value back in a trade.

BlackandBlue · 02-01-2005, 03:50 PM

He had 5 fumbles this year, 4 he lost. Last year he had 6 fumbles, 4 he lost. But he played in two fewer games. Scotty covered the rest.
I wasn\'t going to touch this again until I got home, but I was suprised by the venom from Danno, although I do understand where it\'s coming from, given that I\'ve been here for all the endless, mindless AB debates. You can call them like you see them, much as I have and will always do, but you\'re bullet points were a bit off, as it relates to Deuce. Much like some of the past anti-AB sentiments, now, do you really want to be considered slanted like those from the past?

Danno · 02-01-2005, 04:49 PM

Nice work Scotty. I am with BNB, I really don\'t see why we are discussing Deuce. Could he stand a better conditioning program in the offseason? Hell yeah. I hope the new RB coach will help with that. But I don\'t think he is so far off the wagon as to not be able to get back to whatever form he is expected to be performing up to.

I don\'t get it. I\'m saying the exact same thing.
Should he be better? HECK YEAH!

Thats my ENTIRE point. He can do better. You\'re taking issue with me when you are saying the same exact thing.

I\'ll re-iterate.
HE IS OUR BEST PLAYER
HE HAD A DOWN YEAR
HE SHOULD DO BETTER

THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT. :casstet:

You guys are acting like I want to cut him outright. Sheez guys lighten up.

Actually you\'re proving my point. The least little criticism of Deuce and you guys come completely unglued.

saintswhodi · 02-01-2005, 04:55 PM

But, speaking for myself, I am with Scotty. Deuce is not a 2000 yard rusher, not many are or ever have been. That high ankle sprain takes like 6 weeks to get over. They rushed him back in three and he still averaged over 4 yards per and got 1000 yards. Had he played in those other 3 games and not been hurt in a few others from coming back early, conservatively we are talking about a 1300-1400 yard year. With more TDs than last year. That\'s nothing to sneeze at. When you put him into a category pretty much NOONE is in, it just magnifies everything. I am sorry if you felt I was saying the same thing you have been saying. Also, the fumbles aren\'t THAT big a problem, IMHO.

Danno · 02-01-2005, 05:26 PM

But, speaking for myself, I am with Scotty. Deuce is not a 2000 yard rusher, not many are or ever have been. That high ankle sprain takes like 6 weeks to get over. They rushed him back in three and he still averaged over 4 yards per and got 1000 yards.

Well, I\'m glad we have a gutsy RB with a big heart. But ya think had he been in better shape the injury may not have occurred? Maybe he plays all 16? Maybe we get an extra win or two?
And I think he is very capable of flirting with 2000 yards, (125 yards/game).

I give up.

Deuce is awesome. He is the best player ever.
He should get even fatter and slower, he\'d be even awesomer dude..
I\'ll bet if he broke both legs by ballooned to 370, he\'d still get his 60 yards/game.

saintswhodi · 02-01-2005, 05:47 PM

Whoa dude, no need to be condescending. 2000 yards is a lot to ask of ANY back, let alone Deuce. He prob did get hurt cause of his poor conditioning and lack of respect for the new offense, and we ALL have said that needs to be fixed and addressed. But if you are waiting for 2000 yards, you are in for a BIG letdown every year and will have to post the same disappointment every year.

02-01-2005, 03:07 PM	#51
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Deuce is lazy? Deuce plays with a lot of heart. But he looks out of shape to me. A little on the chubby side. Of all the top backs, Deuce is the least muscular. Did you ever see Barry Sanders? He was not ripped at all. Nearly as flabby as me...well maybe not nearly that bad but not in tiptop shape from a visual standpoint. Didn\'t seem to hurt him any. I do agree with that, but Deuce does not belong in the Same sentence as Barry no matter what we are talking about!

02-01-2005, 03:11 PM	#52
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Deuce is lazy? You missed the point Venturi, Deuce actually doesn\'t fumble that much compared to other \"great rbs\" in the NFL today. It is understandable how he would on those two considering soon as he got the ball, he was being hit.

02-01-2005, 03:15 PM	#53
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Deuce is lazy? You missed the point Venturi, Deuce actually doesn\'t fumble that much compared to other \"great rbs\" in the NFL today. It is understandable how he would on those two considering soon as he got the ball, he was being hit. As i am too lazy to find a link, i would bet he was up there in fumbles this year. Up until this year that was a great part of hi s game. I just think his head was elsewhere...I mean he has a contract to worry about.

02-01-2005, 03:27 PM	#54
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Deuce is lazy? You don\'t need a link for fumbles (if you trust me). I posted several fumble totals above. I got the stats from the cnn/si site if you want to check on them.

02-01-2005, 03:44 PM	#55
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Deuce is lazy? Just for the sake of argument, let\'s say that Deuce is a cancer and we need to get rid of him. If we were lucky we\'d get a 2nd rounder for him. I\'m not sure that we\'d get our value back in a trade.

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02-01-2005, 03:50 PM	#56
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Deuce is lazy? He had 5 fumbles this year, 4 he lost. Last year he had 6 fumbles, 4 he lost. But he played in two fewer games. Scotty covered the rest. I wasn\'t going to touch this again until I got home, but I was suprised by the venom from Danno, although I do understand where it\'s coming from, given that I\'ve been here for all the endless, mindless AB debates. You can call them like you see them, much as I have and will always do, but you\'re bullet points were a bit off, as it relates to Deuce. Much like some of the past anti-AB sentiments, now, do you really want to be considered slanted like those from the past?
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02-01-2005, 04:49 PM	#57
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Deuce is lazy? Nice work Scotty. I am with BNB, I really don\'t see why we are discussing Deuce. Could he stand a better conditioning program in the offseason? Hell yeah. I hope the new RB coach will help with that. But I don\'t think he is so far off the wagon as to not be able to get back to whatever form he is expected to be performing up to. I don\'t get it. I\'m saying the exact same thing. Should he be better? HECK YEAH! Thats my ENTIRE point. He can do better. You\'re taking issue with me when you are saying the same exact thing. I\'ll re-iterate. HE IS OUR BEST PLAYER HE HAD A DOWN YEAR HE SHOULD DO BETTER THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT. :casstet: You guys are acting like I want to cut him outright. Sheez guys lighten up. Actually you\'re proving my point. The least little criticism of Deuce and you guys come completely unglued.

02-01-2005, 04:55 PM	#58
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Deuce is lazy? But, speaking for myself, I am with Scotty. Deuce is not a 2000 yard rusher, not many are or ever have been. That high ankle sprain takes like 6 weeks to get over. They rushed him back in three and he still averaged over 4 yards per and got 1000 yards. Had he played in those other 3 games and not been hurt in a few others from coming back early, conservatively we are talking about a 1300-1400 yard year. With more TDs than last year. That\'s nothing to sneeze at. When you put him into a category pretty much NOONE is in, it just magnifies everything. I am sorry if you felt I was saying the same thing you have been saying. Also, the fumbles aren\'t THAT big a problem, IMHO.

02-01-2005, 05:26 PM	#59
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Deuce is lazy? But, speaking for myself, I am with Scotty. Deuce is not a 2000 yard rusher, not many are or ever have been. That high ankle sprain takes like 6 weeks to get over. They rushed him back in three and he still averaged over 4 yards per and got 1000 yards. Well, I\'m glad we have a gutsy RB with a big heart. But ya think had he been in better shape the injury may not have occurred? Maybe he plays all 16? Maybe we get an extra win or two? And I think he is very capable of flirting with 2000 yards, (125 yards/game). I give up. Deuce is awesome. He is the best player ever. He should get even fatter and slower, he\'d be even awesomer dude.. I\'ll bet if he broke both legs by ballooned to 370, he\'d still get his 60 yards/game.

02-01-2005, 05:47 PM	#60
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Deuce is lazy? Whoa dude, no need to be condescending. 2000 yards is a lot to ask of ANY back, let alone Deuce. He prob did get hurt cause of his poor conditioning and lack of respect for the new offense, and we ALL have said that needs to be fixed and addressed. But if you are waiting for 2000 yards, you are in for a BIG letdown every year and will have to post the same disappointment every year.