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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Anger much? It seems like SOMEONE is always being called an idiot in your posts Danno. Its because idiots impersonating writers angers me enough to comment. I don\'t know if you haven\'t noticed, but we are the EXACT mediocre team ...
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02-10-2005, 02:02 PM | #11 |
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Minor changes? This was the 1st year we didn\'t make major changes. After Haz\'s 1st season, major changes. 2nd season, drastic changes, 3rd season, major overhaul 4th season, decided to try continuity.
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benson wasnt even a football fan in his 50\'s when he bought the team. he is notoriously tightwad among all nfl owners. those two facts i do not think anyone will dispute. i think he lacks basic football instincts. so he might latch onto a talented person like a finks or mueller but just as likely go with a ditka, mueller, or loomis, he doesnt know the diff. everyone wants to win but is self evident that the passion for that burns deeper in some owners than others. wacky personalities or not no one doubts this with a jerry jones, wayne huizenga, dan snyder, or al davis, etc. i dont get that from benson. why was there more salary money left on the table in new orleans last year than any other team by far? if it didnt come from the top then the top should have cleaned house. no owner has a sweeter deal with the state/city than benson and he wants more. it isnt the biggest market in the league but it is run tighter than any other. his 70mil investment is now worth 500+mil, he has given it a 20 year shot and is 76 yrs old. he wasn\'t even aware that saban was being courted by miami remember. i wonder if he knew who saban was?
there is no issue about parity and the cap philosophically. it is when an owner within the system who is more concerned with the bottom line than winning can milk a city and state financially and (in louisiana fo sho) emotionally. read the whole article. it is not an attack against the premise of salary caps and parity but rather the owners who take advantage of it. i am very patient but am tired of the same excuses. there is something terribly wrong for a venturi to still be employed. (a great line i read elsewhere said \"even j.d. roberts was better than him\" LOL). |
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youare definitely not an idiot Danno, it was just an observation. Point by point response.
1. The BS I am referring to is, we can win with Ruff. We can win with Dale Carter. We can win with Venturi as our coordinator. From Haslett. From Benson, I believe we can win with Haslett, yet we haven\'t. That\'s all BS. 2. You missed the point on that one. If bad coaching is a problem, why did we keep Haslett and Venturi? Cause parity and the promise of a better tomorrow will keep the Superdome seats full. You don\'t have to fire bad coaches when you can show your fans how horrible the NFC was this year, and get them to buy you being the next Cinderella. An owner doesn\'t have to take the financial hit of firing a head coach like Benson would have had to, cause the NFL makes fans believe we all have a shot no matter what. And if you are mediocre, as we are, then Oh boy you are right on the cusp. Yeah right. 3. I do not see where we have tried to get better year after year. You may have to explain that one to me. Where has this team tried to get better? I have heard where they SAID we were gonna be better cause of this no name guy or that no name guy, and I never believed it. You are gonna have to explain them trying to get better to me. Like I said above, parity allows us to believe the team when they say the Orlando Ruffs are the key. 4. Yes fans EXPRESS outrage, but do they still go to the games? Hell yeah they do. That\'s parity. The ANY GIVEN SUNDAY mantra. The your team can be the one that comes from nowhere ideal. The everyone is basically even ideal. THAT is BS. And it is being fed to fans by owners of mediocre and bad teams, like ours, to keep us tuning in and filling the dome. And like I said, it has worked. [Edited on 10/2/2005 by saintswhodi] |
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we should have brought in Eric Mangini
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02-10-2005, 02:44 PM | #15 |
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True football fans don\'t buy tickets because their team is winning. True football fans but tickets because they love their team. Whether that team is winning or losing.
How else does anyone explain still being a Saints fan? The superdome reagularly sold out when we had never won a playoff game. And it still sells out despite our record. No Saints\' fan likes losing. But we stick with them. We keep hope. I\'d love to have a Saints\' dynasty. But, I\'d settle for one of those magic runs made by teams such as the Panthers, Falcons, or Raiders. It still counts. If someone wants to not support the team. That\'s their business. I\'ll still be thinking playoffs come week 1. I\'m not in to giving up.... Oh, we complain like hell, but we\'re still here. And, the true fans aren\'t going anywhere. We\'ll still buy tickets. |
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In truth...We aren\'t a product of a failed design..at least not by the League\'s Free Agency design...
Free Agency works..it can turn pretenders..to contenders...and very quickly...with the right guys calling the shots... We just don\'t have the guys we need running the show...and..we will fail... The best thing that could ever happen to this team is...A middle aged guy with money, ego and an attitude..walks up and buys the team...a cocky..self rightoeus rich brat...who doesn\'t want to lose..and wants to be respected....and is willing to lay down the cash his family left him..in order to get it... Instead of a washed up old sack...who is pi**ed off cuz he\'s old...and his team sucks...and he just wants to leave a thorn in the side of the State before he goes...and set up his precious grand daughter with loads of stolen money..and that\'s what it is...we have been betrayed....and sold on a false premise that this team will compete..when deep down..we know better...because..we have learned...from years of the same old cr*p..at least..I have learned..i can\'t speak for all of you.. It\'s not the coaches..it\'s not the players..and it damn sure isn\'t us...Benson has sold this team down the river... I know I sound dumb...I am just mad as he**..It seems like ..we never get ahead..and then with this ****** LA thing breathing down our neck like a Bull in heat...it\'s just too much to bear sometimes... Honestly..I wouldn\'t care if we went 1-15...if we, at the very least, knew that there infact would be a next year to look forward to... Benson owes us more than that...dangling our loyalty above a pit of fire...we aren\'t mindless drones..It\'s just a total lack of respect for us...it\'s a slap in the face...I pray for the day Benson leaves... Sell...Stay...do it now...you sorry @** old terd... |
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shasow-i think most people think along the same lines...we want to win..and even if it means loosing in the short term-they are tired of the same old crap.
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..few quick comments... ... I believe the writer meant an 8-8 team reaching the playoffs and going to the SB that same year, not a team that was 8-8 this year going to the SB next year... ... the Pats are head and shoulders above everyone else... ... I think, in a country of 250,000,000+, you can find 1,500 good football players, so I don\'t believe in the \"diluted talent\" argument.... ... this past year there was indeed a high number of .500 teams looking at playoffs in the NFC, but if you look at the past playoff races, this past year was more the exception rather than the rule... ... the best thing that can happen to the Saints is Daniel Snyder?????? |
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On the parity and Benson point, it sounds to me like a conspiracy theory (where is 08 when you need him). The idea you guys seem to be pushing is that Benson doesn\'t want to win and he can hide behind parity. Well, I offered a different explanation: he does want to win and for a number of years. Free Agency requires one to make shrewd moves to get good players (pick up guys like Horn, Glover, or Knight) on the cheap who can produce for a long time. Of coruse, when you try to do that sometimes you get Ruffs. I challenge you to find the evidence that shows the difference between this theory I just made up (want to win + FA) and the current popular view (doesn\'t want to win + Parity). I bet those roughly cover the data the same. I understand that people blame Benson (and I can understand that), but I\'d be careful of saying he doesn\'t want to win. I just don\'t see how one can believe that with such vigor. Finally,
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