another i cant hepp it thread

[saintfan]

I think they hear what is being hollered the loudest, to be honest. I\'m not now nor have I ever said Brooks was Montana, but I do think he has everything it takes to win the big game -- he just needs a better o-line, and running game better than ours (27th), more than ONE WR that can run routes and catch, and a defense. And yes, he should be more careful with the ball -- which happens to be something I could say about Vic, Delhomme, Farve, and more.

[JKool]

Before I read everything that transpired after my post, which I\'m sure follows the usual stuff, I want to say this:

Being free of blame usually means having NO blame. The fact that there are factors that that influence how well Brooks plays (the same way in which Brooks influences the play of otherss) does NOT make him free of blame.

In fact, having an excuse does not make one free of blame. Blame and mitigating circumstances are compatible NOT mutually exclusive. It is still my fault I dropped the priceless vase, even if you scared the sh-t out of me making me lose my grip.

No one, and I really don\'t care if you disagree (just find me a case) says that Brooks is blameless. Some people think that the amount of blame he takes is mitigated by other factors - but no one that I have ever read here has said that Brooks is to blame for nothing (that view is just stupid, and there is no one here stupid enough to hold it).

Now I\'ll read the other stuff and respond if necessary.

[saintswhodi]

But those QBs all have better winning percentages than AB, better QB ratings, Vick has no receivers except a tight end, and AB DID NOT have a worse team last year than this year. See what I am saying, it\'s always an excuse. What is the excuse for last year? The line was better, not great but better, and we were one of the top rushing teams in the league. What was the excuse for \'02? \'01? I don\'t know about you, I would rather have Favre making mistakes IN THE PLAYOFFS than not getting to the playoffs, same with Vick, same with Delhomme. Delhomme\'s team was good as ours without half the talent this year. He had one receiver too, Muhammed. Also, I don\'t see \"you know these QBs make mistakes\" as being similar to what AB has done. Ab throws into coverage liek Favre, but he adds that extra bone-headed play for kicks. Vick may not be a great passer, but he makes up for it by being a playmaker. I saw one horrible play by Delhomme last year, on a depleted by injury 1-7 team before they turned it around, what\'s AB\'s excuse again?

[JKool]

if his faults can\'t be discussed WITHOUT bringing all these other things into it, he is being absolved from blame.

No.

I\'m sure Danno can provide a helpful dictionary link to resolve this.

Furthermore, if someone said the OLine was terrible. And someone else said, the OLine was bad because Brooks backs into the rush. Would that make the OLine BLAMELESS for their sh-ty play? I don\'t think so.

Just because there are factors that influence how bad something was does not make that thing free of being bad (or blameworthy) - it just makes that thing less blameworthy (and maybe less bad) than it would have been if those factors had not pertained.

[WhoDat]

Not good for the diehard AB fans.


Billy =

I didn\'t realize there were so many agenda-mongers in Miami. LOL.

CLEARLY, all those people who said AB is too inconsistent to warrant real consideration in a trade don\'t watch the games, love Jake Delhomme, and are simply on a personal mission to fulfill some grudge against a guy they don\'t know. LOL.

[JKool]

NOONE who defends Brooks will talk about JUST BROOKS.

Does Brooks step on the field and play ball by himself?

[saintswhodi]

Kool, excuses are absolving blame. If you read my post about the CHOICES AB makes, and you agree, the discussion can end there. Because he has the CHOICE not to make those stupid mistakes again and again and again. Everythign else is semantics. Boil it down to the choices he makes and the choices he does not have to make. That\'s black and white and eliminates any EXCUSES OR MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES. For instance, let\'s say AB takes a sack instead of passing to Gandy, or takes a sack instead of passing to Mobley or Wilson or whomever for the Broncos, then I really would have no argument. But the fact he CHOOSES to make these mistakes as a 4 1/2 year starter is of great concern to me. Now discuss just AB and these CHOICES, and we may see some common ground.

[saintswhodi]

Does Brooks step on the field and play ball by himself?

No, but he sure makes stupid plays on his own, unless it\'s Joe Horn\'s fault he does it. Then wait, it probably is.

[saintfan]

Whodi, if you wanna be bull-headed that\'s fine, but by refusing to acknowledge other factors you\'re not allowing yourself to see the whole picture -- in my opinion.

Throwing the ball hopelessly downfield is no different that throwing an underhanded pass into a crowd in desperation, and least I don\'t think it is. Making a stupid play, regardless of the talent on the team, is still making a stupid play.

Some would say that Brooks has never had more than one quality WR in his time here -- Joe Horn -- and I\'d agree. Yet this team manages to score enough points to win, and they have done so in each of Brooks\' years here...down a bit last year, but still more than 20 points a game, yet you wanna scrap the QB in favor of what, exactly? Maybe another QB could come in and play both ways? Until we stop somebody we don\'t have a chance, and we\'d have a pretty good chance if we changed NOTHING on our offense and had a half-decent defense.

[saintswhodi]

Surely you are joking Who. Noone outside this forum can possibly think anything negative about Brooks. I must be fooling myself with what I see and wanting to get rid of him. Damn those Miami fans and their anti-Brooks agendas. And they have such a great QB position and record to talk too.