Trade Down at 12?

RaginCajun83 · 02-15-2016, 11:41 PM

No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame

K Major · 02-16-2016, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame

Don't know on this one ... it will come down to what the Saints do in Free Agency but from what I read on JS, this guy is an immediate impact player. How is the knee rehab coming along? If you read some of Nick Underhill scouting reports, he points how badly we were abused when Ellerbe was out. I mentioned this before on the board but if someone told me that we could have Captain America (Luke Kiechly) but he would have to sit a year ... I could care less.

In saying all that, I still want a DE like Robinson at #12

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hagan714 · 02-16-2016, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame

Now we will soon find out at the combine what is the deal with the knee.

If the knee checks out I still expect Smith not to be on the field in 2016.

As a results I can see his stock taking a real hit. falling out of the top 20 with a cleared medical would be kind of a shocker.

So if the saints traded down and got additional picks in day two of the draft and ended up with Smith. I would look at it as a cautious win win and a lot of if's and's and but's to wait a year on.

blackangold · 02-16-2016, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Now we will soon find out at the combine what is the deal with the knee.

If the knee checks out I still expect Smith not to be on the field in 2016.

As a results I can see his stock taking a real hit. falling out of the top 20 with a cleared medical would be kind of a shocker.

So if the saints traded down and got additional picks in day two of the draft and ended up with Smith. I would look at it as a cautious win win and a lot of if's and's and but's to wait a year on.

Drafting for the future is probably the smart move, but the clock is ticking on Drew, he won't play forever.

NonieT · 02-26-2016, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame

Who is probably going to be red-shirted this season? No thanks. There are plenty of good LB in this draft. Cravens for example and we can probably get him in the 2nd round.

RaginCajun83 · 02-28-2016, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

Who is probably going to be red-shirted this season? No thanks. There are plenty of good LB in this draft. Cravens for example and we can probably get him in the 2nd round.

a guresome injury didn't stop Willis McGahee from being picked in the first. Look when it comes to Smith, he's the top LB in the draft and I've heard he compares to Patrick Willis and Luke Kechley BUT yeah let's pass on him because he will miss one season. I'd take one season on IR for 10-15 years of watching a dominate player on defense

WhoDatFan26 · 03-03-2016, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame

I love the kid, but nerve damage isn't something to chance. Especially when we need to make a definitive splash in the first round.

K Major · 03-03-2016, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

I love the kid, but nerve damage isn't something to chance. Especially when we need to make a definitive splash in the first round.

Some analyst have JS dropping out of the 2nd rd, possibly early 3rd (similar to RB Marcus Lattimore).

Frankly I can't see it but if he can heal back to 100%, he is going to improve someones defense, quick, fast and in a hurry.

WhoDatFan26 · 03-03-2016, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Some analyst have JS dropping out of the 2nd rd, possibly early 3rd (similar to RB Marcus Lattimore).

Frankly I can't see it but if he can heal back to 100%, he is going to improve someones defense, quick, fast and in a hurry.

If he drops out of the First Round the by all means take a chance on him. But if he's there at #12, then you have to pass.

Danno · 03-03-2016, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

If he drops out of the First Round the by all means take a chance on him. But if he's there at #12, then you have to pass.

Normally I agree. But we're in a 2 or 3 year window with Brees so I have no problem passing on a project for a more NFL ready prospect.

I'm all about drafting for 2 or 3 years down the road, but the whole nerve damage thing is inordinately risky. If we had some extra picks, and were already stocked with talent on defense then sure, I'd crawl over broken glass to pick him n the 2nd.

I just don't think its wise with our current situation. We have a lot of young players on defense that may develop very nicely. Do you give up on them to draft a risky feast or famine player?

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La Rams R1-15 and R3-76	6	17.14%
Houston Texans R1-22, R2-52, R4-116	10	28.57%
Recievng end of a Ditka for Drew	2	5.71%
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02-16-2016, 11:28 AM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame Don't know on this one ... it will come down to what the Saints do in Free Agency but from what I read on JS, this guy is an immediate impact player. How is the knee rehab coming along? If you read some of Nick Underhill scouting reports, he points how badly we were abused when Ellerbe was out. I mentioned this before on the board but if someone told me that we could have Captain America (Luke Kiechly) but he would have to sit a year ... I could care less. In saying all that, I still want a DE like Robinson at #12 . hagan714 and Barry from MS like this.

02-16-2016, 03:43 PM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame Now we will soon find out at the combine what is the deal with the knee. If the knee checks out I still expect Smith not to be on the field in 2016. As a results I can see his stock taking a real hit. falling out of the top 20 with a cleared medical would be kind of a shocker. So if the saints traded down and got additional picks in day two of the draft and ended up with Smith. I would look at it as a cautious win win and a lot of if's and's and but's to wait a year on. Barry from MS likes this.
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02-16-2016, 07:27 PM	#4
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by hagan714 Now we will soon find out at the combine what is the deal with the knee. If the knee checks out I still expect Smith not to be on the field in 2016. As a results I can see his stock taking a real hit. falling out of the top 20 with a cleared medical would be kind of a shocker. So if the saints traded down and got additional picks in day two of the draft and ended up with Smith. I would look at it as a cautious win win and a lot of if's and's and but's to wait a year on. Drafting for the future is probably the smart move, but the clock is ticking on Drew, he won't play forever. Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-26-2016, 05:54 PM	#5
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame Who is probably going to be red-shirted this season? No thanks. There are plenty of good LB in this draft. Cravens for example and we can probably get him in the 2nd round. WhoDatFan26 likes this.
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02-15-2016, 11:41 PM	#1
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Trade Down at 12? No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame frydaddy likes this.

02-28-2016, 09:00 PM	#6
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by NonieT Who is probably going to be red-shirted this season? No thanks. There are plenty of good LB in this draft. Cravens for example and we can probably get him in the 2nd round. a guresome injury didn't stop Willis McGahee from being picked in the first. Look when it comes to Smith, he's the top LB in the draft and I've heard he compares to Patrick Willis and Luke Kechley BUT yeah let's pass on him because he will miss one season. I'd take one season on IR for 10-15 years of watching a dominate player on defense

03-03-2016, 03:52 PM	#7
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame I love the kid, but nerve damage isn't something to chance. Especially when we need to make a definitive splash in the first round.
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03-03-2016, 04:35 PM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 I love the kid, but nerve damage isn't something to chance. Especially when we need to make a definitive splash in the first round. Some analyst have JS dropping out of the 2nd rd, possibly early 3rd (similar to RB Marcus Lattimore). Frankly I can't see it but if he can heal back to 100%, he is going to improve someones defense, quick, fast and in a hurry.

03-03-2016, 05:40 PM	#9
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by K Major Some analyst have JS dropping out of the 2nd rd, possibly early 3rd (similar to RB Marcus Lattimore). Frankly I can't see it but if he can heal back to 100%, he is going to improve someones defense, quick, fast and in a hurry. If he drops out of the First Round the by all means take a chance on him. But if he's there at #12, then you have to pass. MarchingOn likes this.
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03-03-2016, 06:38 PM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 If he drops out of the First Round the by all means take a chance on him. But if he's there at #12, then you have to pass. Normally I agree. But we're in a 2 or 3 year window with Brees so I have no problem passing on a project for a more NFL ready prospect. I'm all about drafting for 2 or 3 years down the road, but the whole nerve damage thing is inordinately risky. If we had some extra picks, and were already stocked with talent on defense then sure, I'd crawl over broken glass to pick him n the 2nd. I just don't think its wise with our current situation. We have a lot of young players on defense that may develop very nicely. Do you give up on them to draft a risky feast or famine player? jeanpierre likes this.

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