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burningmetal 04-12-2016 06:42 PM
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Given the history between the two, I'm starting to thinknthat Smithbwasnt totally innocent in this whole scenario. I think Smith knew it was Hayes in that H2 when he hit and run.

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What history? I've theorized that Hayes might have been aware that Smith was friends with Ceravolo, and might have spotted the two hanging out that night. In the video, it was odd the way Hayes seemed to stop for no apparent reason, as if trying to instigate something. And maybe he pulled over thinking Smith would also pull over, and he'd fight him or shoot him then. It's only a theory, but something that makes me wonder.

But other than Hayes possibly knowing of Smith and Ceravolo being friends, I have heard nothing of Smith and Hayes having any personal history.

nola_swammi 04-12-2016 06:42 PM
Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident
 
I heard wrong,,, you can carry a loaded gun


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spkb25 04-12-2016 06:44 PM
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Video of fender bender before the incident later
Watch apparent hit-and-run minutes before Will Smith's shooting death | NOLA.com

Apparently Will was shot in the back...hard to call self defense on that

Will Smith shot in back, right torso by accused killer Cardell Hayes, NOPD says | NOLA.com

nola_swammi 04-12-2016 06:46 PM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...mith-shooting/. Witness account of the event

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...mith-shooting/

44Champs 04-12-2016 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 699260)
What history? I've theorized that Hayes might have been aware that Smith was friends with Ceravolo, and might have spotted the two hanging out that night. In the video, it was odd the way Hayes seemed to stop for no apparent reason, as if trying to instigate something. And maybe he pulled over thinking Smith would also pull over, and he'd fight him or shoot him then. It's only a theory, but something that makes me wonder.

But other than Hayes possibly knowing of Smith and Ceravolo being friends, I have heard nothing of Smith and Hayes having any personal history.
Smith was friends with the policeman that shot and killed his father - I think that makes it personal to some degree.

"Hayes sued the NOPD and six officers after police shot and killed his father, Anthony Hayes, on Dec. 26, 2005. The federal lawsuit was settled in September 2011, while attorneys were preparing for trial in the case. Court papers don't describe the settlement. According to the lawsuit, several people told the officers that Anthony Hayes had a history of mental illness.

Police said they shot Anthony Hayes after he lunged at them with a 3-inch-long knife. Bystanders had video of officers surrounding Hayes but not of the shooting. Six officers were defendants in the lawsuit, which said Anthony Hayes was shot at least nine times and alleged that officers should have used nonlethal force.

Police officer William Ceravolo was among the officers named in the lawsuit. Now retired, Ceravolo*told the New Orleans Advocate*that he had dinner with Smith and former Saints running back Pierre Thomas on Saturday before the fatal incident. Photos circulated Sunday on social media of Smith, Thomas and Ceravolo."



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burningmetal 04-12-2016 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 699265)
Smith was friends with the policeman that shot and killed his father - I think that makes it personal to some degree.

"Hayes sued the NOPD and six officers after police shot and killed his father, Anthony Hayes, on Dec. 26, 2005. The federal lawsuit was settled in September 2011, while attorneys were preparing for trial in the case. Court papers don't describe the settlement. According to the lawsuit, several people told the officers that Anthony Hayes had a history of mental illness.

Police said they shot Anthony Hayes after he lunged at them with a 3-inch-long knife. Bystanders had video of officers surrounding Hayes but not of the shooting. Six officers were defendants in the lawsuit, which said Anthony Hayes was shot at least nine times and alleged that officers should have used nonlethal force.

Police officer William Ceravolo was among the officers named in the lawsuit. Now retired, Ceravolo*told the New Orleans Advocate*that he had dinner with Smith and former Saints running back Pierre Thomas on Saturday before the fatal incident. Photos circulated Sunday on social media of Smith, Thomas and Ceravolo."



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Dude, that's what I just said to you. That's the exact connection I made with him possibly knowing that Smith was friends with Ceravolo. But that isn't a "history" as you put it. I'm not sure why Will would know who Hayes is. What happened between Hayes' father and Ceravolo had nothing to do with Smith. I can see Hayes knowing of Smith was and having a petty axe to grind, but I just don't see how Smith would have recognized Hayes, especially in the dark. If Hayes knew that it was Smith in the other vehicle, I'm guessing it's because he spotted him at the restaurant.

nola_swammi 04-12-2016 07:08 PM
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The way I look at it, Hayes was rear end by will smith. he pulled over assuming will smith will do as well to change insurance info and to access the damages to his vehicle, instead will smith went around and fled, Hayes pursuit claiming he was trying to get license plate and rear ended will smith. Will smith exited his vehicle and exchanged words with Hayes. Will smith said he was going to get his gun and was returning to his vehicle. Hayes shot Smith twice once in the back and side of torso, then shot wife in the legs. Witness said she heard six shots. Later, loaded gun was found in Will Smith's vehicle

|Mitch| 04-12-2016 07:10 PM
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The way I look at it, Hayes was rear end by will smith. he pulled over assuming will smith will do as well to change insurance info and to access the damages to his vehicle, instead will smith went around and fled, Hayes pursuit claiming he was trying to get license plate and rear ended will smith. Will smith exited his vehicle and exchanged words with Hayes. Will smith said he was going to get his gun and was returning to his vehicle. Hayes shot Smith twice once in the back and side of torso, then shot wife in the legs. Witness said she heard six shots. Later, loaded gun was found in Will Smith's vehicle
And in no way does that equate to the "Stand Your Ground" law...

44Champs 04-12-2016 07:32 PM
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44Champs 04-12-2016 07:33 PM
Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident
 
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 699268)
Dude, that's what I just said to you. That's the exact connection I made with him possibly knowing that Smith was friends with Ceravolo. But that isn't a "history" as you put it. I'm not sure why Will would know who Hayes is. What happened between Hayes' father and Ceravolo had nothing to do with Smith. I can see Hayes knowing of Smith was and having a petty axe to grind, but I just don't see how Smith would have recognized Hayes, especially in the dark. If Hayes knew that it was Smith in the other vehicle, I'm guessing it's because he spotted him at the restaurant.
"History", "past" - you're stuck on semantics and I think everyone else here gets the point that I was making.

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