Underwhelmed

Rell&Gold · 04-30-2016, 03:16 PM

Also played DE in college so

burningmetal · 04-30-2016, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

more than half did bother though so that's saying something , maybe guard isn't as glaring as you think it is or whatever pos you felt like we should've drafted instead

And other players get looked at by all 32 teams. That's the point. 17 teams doesn't tell me he's anything more than what I've described him as. This isn't unprecedented. Team's find players in weird places who wow them with raw skills, and very quickly other teams catch on. Ultimately, he went in the 4th. So it's not like he was that hot of a prospect. I would have been ok with it if it weren't for the fact that our guards are pretty bad.

And we all saw the evidence of that, so I don't think I'm imagining that problem.

burningmetal · 04-30-2016, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Kinda been what I've been thinking. Maybe they know what they are doing instead of throwing darts with a blindfold as a small minority around here think.

Nobody is saying they're throwing darts at a board. But trading up for extremely unproven players seems like a lot of wishful thinking. The amount of busts every year should tell you that this isn't the science you seem to think it is.

SmashMouth · 04-30-2016, 03:26 PM

Give OnyoMaMa a chance.... he might actually be good.

burningmetal · 04-30-2016, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Give OnyoMaMa a chance.... he might actually be good.

lol. I think I'll adopt that nickname. And I will give him a chance. I hope he becomes the next in a long line of great players with confusing names.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2016, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

That's your response? NFL teams go to Canada all the time to check out CFL players. They saw a guy with "measurables" and, like any other prospect, they went to look at him. If they can fly to Minnesota, it won't hurt them to go a little farther north.

Again, what happened with Akiem Hicks? You're argument isn't very impressive.

Hicks was a monster until injuries took their toll. You can never predict injury.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2016, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Nobody is saying they're throwing darts at a board. But trading up for extremely unproven players seems like a lot of wishful thinking. The amount of busts every year should tell you that this isn't the science you seem to think it is.

Exactly how many busts did they have last year after dumping half of their scouting department? If I am not mistaken every pick is still on roster.

spkb25 · 04-30-2016, 03:39 PM

I am not sold on Rankins, I like the two second rounders, no idea why we needed to give up next years 5th for this guy. Clearly hope I am way wrong and everyone is a stud, but our recent draft history, specifically having 3 players left on the roster from the '11,'12, and '14 draft is downright scary.

Although none of us may be in the know, the recent draft history points to the fact that the people in the draft room aren't too much in the know them damn selves.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2016, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Nobody is saying they're throwing darts at a board. But trading up for extremely unproven players seems like a lot of wishful thinking. The amount of busts every year should tell you that this isn't the science you seem to think it is.

To you and I he may appear to be unproven. We have no where near the information on him as they do. Trading up to get him without a very firm belief in his ability would be stupid. These franchises spend dozens of hours on players they are planning on targeting where the rest of us cannot find more than 20 minutes worth of information on the web.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2016, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

I am not sold on Rankins, I like the two second rounders, no idea why we needed to give up next years 5th for this guy. Clearly hope I am way wrong and everyone is a stud, but our recent draft history, specifically having 3 players left on the roster from the '11,'12, and '14 draft is downright scary.

Although none of us may be in the know, the recent draft history points to the fact that the people in the draft room aren't too much in the know them damn selves.

Recent history is only 2015 and that one looked good. Payton cleaned house on the major players in scouting and brought in Ireland for last year. These are not the same people in the draft room beyond Payton and Loomis and Loomis is a pencil pusher.

04-30-2016, 03:16 PM	#51
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Underwhelmed Also played DE in college so

04-30-2016, 03:16 PM	#52
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by Rell&Gold more than half did bother though so that's saying something , maybe guard isn't as glaring as you think it is or whatever pos you felt like we should've drafted instead And other players get looked at by all 32 teams. That's the point. 17 teams doesn't tell me he's anything more than what I've described him as. This isn't unprecedented. Team's find players in weird places who wow them with raw skills, and very quickly other teams catch on. Ultimately, he went in the 4th. So it's not like he was that hot of a prospect. I would have been ok with it if it weren't for the fact that our guards are pretty bad. And we all saw the evidence of that, so I don't think I'm imagining that problem.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

04-30-2016, 03:21 PM	#53
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Kinda been what I've been thinking. Maybe they know what they are doing instead of throwing darts with a blindfold as a small minority around here think. Nobody is saying they're throwing darts at a board. But trading up for extremely unproven players seems like a lot of wishful thinking. The amount of busts every year should tell you that this isn't the science you seem to think it is. MarchingOn likes this.

04-30-2016, 03:26 PM	#54
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,968 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Underwhelmed Give OnyoMaMa a chance.... he might actually be good. Rugby Saint II and \|Mitch\| like this.

04-30-2016, 03:29 PM	#55
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by SmashMouth Give OnyoMaMa a chance.... he might actually be good. lol. I think I'll adopt that nickname. And I will give him a chance. I hope he becomes the next in a long line of great players with confusing names. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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04-30-2016, 03:33 PM	#56
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,709	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by burningmetal That's your response? NFL teams go to Canada all the time to check out CFL players. They saw a guy with "measurables" and, like any other prospect, they went to look at him. If they can fly to Minnesota, it won't hurt them to go a little farther north. Again, what happened with Akiem Hicks? You're argument isn't very impressive. Hicks was a monster until injuries took their toll. You can never predict injury.

04-30-2016, 03:34 PM	#57
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,709	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by burningmetal Nobody is saying they're throwing darts at a board. But trading up for extremely unproven players seems like a lot of wishful thinking. The amount of busts every year should tell you that this isn't the science you seem to think it is. Exactly how many busts did they have last year after dumping half of their scouting department? If I am not mistaken every pick is still on roster.

04-30-2016, 03:39 PM	#58
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Underwhelmed I am not sold on Rankins, I like the two second rounders, no idea why we needed to give up next years 5th for this guy. Clearly hope I am way wrong and everyone is a stud, but our recent draft history, specifically having 3 players left on the roster from the '11,'12, and '14 draft is downright scary. Although none of us may be in the know, the recent draft history points to the fact that the people in the draft room aren't too much in the know them damn selves. TheDeuce and Rugby Saint II like this.

04-30-2016, 03:40 PM	#59
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,709	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by burningmetal Nobody is saying they're throwing darts at a board. But trading up for extremely unproven players seems like a lot of wishful thinking. The amount of busts every year should tell you that this isn't the science you seem to think it is. To you and I he may appear to be unproven. We have no where near the information on him as they do. Trading up to get him without a very firm belief in his ability would be stupid. These franchises spend dozens of hours on players they are planning on targeting where the rest of us cannot find more than 20 minutes worth of information on the web.

04-30-2016, 03:43 PM	#60
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,709	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by spkb25 I am not sold on Rankins, I like the two second rounders, no idea why we needed to give up next years 5th for this guy. Clearly hope I am way wrong and everyone is a stud, but our recent draft history, specifically having 3 players left on the roster from the '11,'12, and '14 draft is downright scary. Although none of us may be in the know, the recent draft history points to the fact that the people in the draft room aren't too much in the know them damn selves. Recent history is only 2015 and that one looked good. Payton cleaned house on the major players in scouting and brought in Ireland for last year. These are not the same people in the draft room beyond Payton and Loomis and Loomis is a pencil pusher.

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