PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.'

spkb25 · 09-08-2016, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

This has to be a joke. I'm going to keep bashing PFF until the day comes that people finally call that garbage what it is.

The offensive line that is UNIVERSALLY acknowledged by observers everywhere as one of the worst in the league, and even our own coach has expressed his concern. You rank them 3rd BEST in pass protection?

For the love of all that is good, can we please stop paying any attention to what these trolls are saying?

well we only pay attention when it is promising. If this was about how much our oline blew in preseason and how drew was going to get killed and someone posted it, people would disqualify it by where it came from, but because it is sunshine and rainbows....

I hope Jahri solves the grotesque display of our oline in preseason, really do. Our oline is the most glaring weakness we have. If we can do better there we could make the playoffs.

spkb25 · 09-08-2016, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

This has to be a joke. I'm going to keep bashing PFF until the day comes that people finally call that garbage what it is.

The offensive line that is UNIVERSALLY acknowledged by observers everywhere as one of the worst in the league, and even our own coach has expressed his concern. You rank them 3rd BEST in pass protection?

For the love of all that is good, can we please stop paying any attention to what these trolls are saying?

point and case to my other post was the article by NOLA about week1 predictions. Guy predicted us to get our asses handed to us and it was widely dismissed... go figure

burningmetal · 09-08-2016, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I was listening to NFL radio yesterday and on one of those shows, it may have been the one with Pat Kirwan, they were talking about New Orleans and they said the offensive line is better than many are talking about and they didn't think the Saints would struggle offensively at all. They aren't the only ones. It definitely has not been labeled anywhere close to universally as anywhere close to the worst in the league. I listen to football radio all day long and hear from all kinds of experts all day long and I don't get that impression at all.

What you're hearing now is people giving their expectations for this year. A lot of people are giving, in my opinion, unsubstantiated claims of improvement.

But this grade by PFF is based off of last year. And anywhere you looked or listened people were talking about how they were going to get Drew killed. He was constantly on the run.

And by the way, I don't think the offense will struggle, per se. It's just not going to be anything like it could be, and used to be UNLESS the line improves.

AsylumGuido · 09-08-2016, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

What you're hearing now is people giving their expectations for this year. A lot of people are giving, in my opinion, unsubstantiated claims of improvement.

But this grade by PFF is based off of last year. And anywhere you looked or listened people were talking about how they were going to get Drew killed.

And by the way, I don't think the offense will struggle, per se. It's just not going to be anything like it could be, and used to be UNLESS the line improves.

Has it been better? Hell yeah. But to say it is the worst in the NFL when you have not seen it take one snap in an actual game is shortsighted. Do this. Wait until after this weekend and compare their performance against every other line in the league and then you can make an educated evaluation based upon one game. Can you do that?

AsylumGuido · 09-08-2016, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

What you're hearing now is people giving their expectations for this year. A lot of people are giving, in my opinion, unsubstantiated claims of improvement.

But this grade by PFF is based off of last year. And anywhere you looked or listened people were talking about how they were going to get Drew killed. He was constantly on the run.

And by the way, I don't think the offense will struggle, per se. It's just not going to be anything like it could be, and used to be UNLESS the line improves.

Oh, and what you are giving now are unsubstantiated claims, as well. Wait until the real product takes the field in a real game against a real defense.

saintshrimp · 09-08-2016, 07:11 PM

I agree with you burningmetal PFF is garbage. I don't get why people put any stock into that crap. These are the same people who told everyone Corey white was a very good corner.

AsylumGuido · 09-08-2016, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

I agree with you burningmetal PFF is garbage. I don't get why people put any stock into that crap. These are the same people who told everyone Corey white was a very good corner.

Everything they say is garbage, especially if it doesn't support your opinion.

burningmetal · 09-08-2016, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Has it been better? Hell yeah. But to say it is the worst in the NFL when you have not seen it take one snap in an actual game is shortsighted. Do this. Wait until after this weekend and compare their performance against every other line in the league and then you can make an educated evaluation based upon one game. Can you do that?

I'll tell you what's shortsighted, and that is your interpretation of my post.

Did I say THE worst? No, I said it was AMONG the worst LAST YEAR. This is an article about a grade given to last year's performance by the line.

Do I think it's still bad? Yes. I sure do. There is exactly one different starter from last year, and he is a second year player who has struggled. I haven't proclaimed it the worst line this year. I am always watching for improvement. But I reserve the right to have a certain expectation. But that's all beside the point. This was a reaction to a grade given from last year. I have consistently pointed out the fallacies of their grades over the years.

So maybe you should back off. Can YOU do that?

AsylumGuido · 09-08-2016, 07:16 PM

Do the same thing that I'm asking of burningmetal, shrimp. Wait to judge the offensive line until they have actual played together as a unit in a real game.

saintshrimp · 09-08-2016, 07:18 PM

If the line was so great why are they bringing in people at the last minute to try to fix it.this line is the The exact same line as you had last year and everybody was *****ing about how bad they were so what makes you think there could be any better this year

09-08-2016, 07:02 PM	#21
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' Originally Posted by burningmetal This has to be a joke. I'm going to keep bashing PFF until the day comes that people finally call that garbage what it is. The offensive line that is UNIVERSALLY acknowledged by observers everywhere as one of the worst in the league, and even our own coach has expressed his concern. You rank them 3rd BEST in pass protection? For the love of all that is good, can we please stop paying any attention to what these trolls are saying? well we only pay attention when it is promising. If this was about how much our oline blew in preseason and how drew was going to get killed and someone posted it, people would disqualify it by where it came from, but because it is sunshine and rainbows.... I hope Jahri solves the grotesque display of our oline in preseason, really do. Our oline is the most glaring weakness we have. If we can do better there we could make the playoffs.

09-08-2016, 07:04 PM	#22
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' Originally Posted by burningmetal This has to be a joke. I'm going to keep bashing PFF until the day comes that people finally call that garbage what it is. The offensive line that is UNIVERSALLY acknowledged by observers everywhere as one of the worst in the league, and even our own coach has expressed his concern. You rank them 3rd BEST in pass protection? For the love of all that is good, can we please stop paying any attention to what these trolls are saying? point and case to my other post was the article by NOLA about week1 predictions. Guy predicted us to get our asses handed to us and it was widely dismissed... go figure

09-08-2016, 07:04 PM	#23
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I was listening to NFL radio yesterday and on one of those shows, it may have been the one with Pat Kirwan, they were talking about New Orleans and they said the offensive line is better than many are talking about and they didn't think the Saints would struggle offensively at all. They aren't the only ones. It definitely has not been labeled anywhere close to universally as anywhere close to the worst in the league. I listen to football radio all day long and hear from all kinds of experts all day long and I don't get that impression at all. What you're hearing now is people giving their expectations for this year. A lot of people are giving, in my opinion, unsubstantiated claims of improvement. But this grade by PFF is based off of last year. And anywhere you looked or listened people were talking about how they were going to get Drew killed. He was constantly on the run. And by the way, I don't think the offense will struggle, per se. It's just not going to be anything like it could be, and used to be UNLESS the line improves.

09-08-2016, 07:08 PM	#24
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' Originally Posted by burningmetal What you're hearing now is people giving their expectations for this year. A lot of people are giving, in my opinion, unsubstantiated claims of improvement. But this grade by PFF is based off of last year. And anywhere you looked or listened people were talking about how they were going to get Drew killed. And by the way, I don't think the offense will struggle, per se. It's just not going to be anything like it could be, and used to be UNLESS the line improves. Has it been better? Hell yeah. But to say it is the worst in the NFL when you have not seen it take one snap in an actual game is shortsighted. Do this. Wait until after this weekend and compare their performance against every other line in the league and then you can make an educated evaluation based upon one game. Can you do that?

09-08-2016, 07:10 PM	#25
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' Originally Posted by burningmetal What you're hearing now is people giving their expectations for this year. A lot of people are giving, in my opinion, unsubstantiated claims of improvement. But this grade by PFF is based off of last year. And anywhere you looked or listened people were talking about how they were going to get Drew killed. He was constantly on the run. And by the way, I don't think the offense will struggle, per se. It's just not going to be anything like it could be, and used to be UNLESS the line improves. Oh, and what you are giving now are unsubstantiated claims, as well. Wait until the real product takes the field in a real game against a real defense.

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09-08-2016, 07:11 PM	#26
saintshrimp 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houma,LA. Posts: 695	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' I agree with you burningmetal PFF is garbage. I don't get why people put any stock into that crap. These are the same people who told everyone Corey white was a very good corner.

09-08-2016, 07:14 PM	#27
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' Originally Posted by saintshrimp I agree with you burningmetal PFF is garbage. I don't get why people put any stock into that crap. These are the same people who told everyone Corey white was a very good corner. Everything they say is garbage, especially if it doesn't support your opinion.

09-08-2016, 07:15 PM	#28
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Has it been better? Hell yeah. But to say it is the worst in the NFL when you have not seen it take one snap in an actual game is shortsighted. Do this. Wait until after this weekend and compare their performance against every other line in the league and then you can make an educated evaluation based upon one game. Can you do that? I'll tell you what's shortsighted, and that is your interpretation of my post. Did I say THE worst? No, I said it was AMONG the worst LAST YEAR. This is an article about a grade given to last year's performance by the line. Do I think it's still bad? Yes. I sure do. There is exactly one different starter from last year, and he is a second year player who has struggled. I haven't proclaimed it the worst line this year. I am always watching for improvement. But I reserve the right to have a certain expectation. But that's all beside the point. This was a reaction to a grade given from last year. I have consistently pointed out the fallacies of their grades over the years. So maybe you should back off. Can YOU do that?
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-08-2016, 07:16 PM	#29
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' Do the same thing that I'm asking of burningmetal, shrimp. Wait to judge the offensive line until they have actual played together as a unit in a real game.

09-08-2016, 07:18 PM	#30
saintshrimp 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houma,LA. Posts: 695	Re: PFF: Basically Saints Fans are FOS, 'Offensive Line Is Very Good, And Has The Potential To Be Great.' If the line was so great why are they bringing in people at the last minute to try to fix it.this line is the The exact same line as you had last year and everybody was *****ing about how bad they were so what makes you think there could be any better this year

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